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Does anyone know how next years subscription operating system will be setup?
I'm wondering if the operating system will shut down if you do not pay the
annual subscription fee?
mc
 
mc said:
Does anyone know how next years subscription operating system will be setup?
I'm wondering if the operating system will shut down if you do not pay the
annual subscription fee?
mc

WTF are you talking about?... do you have a CLUE?
 
There is no such thing in development. The next release, Vista, will have
license terms similar to the previous versions of Windows. There are no
plans to make it an annual subscription.

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Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
 
|>Does anyone know how next years subscription operating system will be setup?
|>I'm wondering if the operating system will shut down if you do not pay the
|>annual subscription fee?

What their talking about "Microsoft Unveils Pay-As-You-Go Personal
Computing Designed for Emerging Market Consumers"
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/may06/05-21EmergingMarketConsumersPR.mspx
short http://tinyurl.com/g8dd4

What do you think would happen if you didn't pay?

Probably the same thing as happens with any other subscription or
rental service - the service stops.

But the service is only available in Brazil so far, with plans to
introduce it to India, Mexico, Russia and China over the next several
months.

There is more detailed information available at
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/flexgo/payasyougo.mspx

There are apparently two different plans being introduced, according
to that site. One is essentially a monthly installment purchase of a
PC plus Windows through an Internet Service Provider with 20 percent
down and the balance paid over 24 months. After 24 months the computer
is paid for and the ISP's monthly fees would be reduced accordingly.

The second is a prepaid card system based on actual usage. That one
is based on a one-third down payment with the balance of the price
paid over 800 hours of usage. Prepaid usage cards would be purchased
and inserted into the computer while it is being used. When the hours
on the card are used up a new card would be have to be purchased with
more hours on it. After 800 total hours have been used the cards
would no longer be required.

There is, by the way, at least one other software rental system
available from Microsoft for certain users. That is the Microsoft
Action Pack
http://www.microsoft.com/dynamics/accountingprofessionals/accounting_professionals_action_pack.mspx

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

"Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference
has never been in bed with a mosquito."
 
Ron said:
Probably the same thing as happens with any other subscription or
rental service - the service stops.

But the service is only available in Brazil so far, with plans to
introduce it to India, Mexico, Russia and China over the next several
months.

There is more detailed information available at
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/flexgo/payasyougo.mspx

There are apparently two different plans being introduced, according
to that site. One is essentially a monthly installment purchase of a
PC plus Windows through an Internet Service Provider with 20 percent
down and the balance paid over 24 months. After 24 months the computer
is paid for and the ISP's monthly fees would be reduced accordingly.

The second is a prepaid card system based on actual usage. That one
is based on a one-third down payment with the balance of the price
paid over 800 hours of usage. Prepaid usage cards would be purchased
and inserted into the computer while it is being used. When the hours
on the card are used up a new card would be have to be purchased with
more hours on it. After 800 total hours have been used the cards
would no longer be required.

There is, by the way, at least one other software rental system
available from Microsoft for certain users. That is the Microsoft
Action Pack


What hogwash! Twenty-four (24) months is an eternity insofar as
a computer is concerned. It would already be 6 months past 1 cycle
of Moore's Law. And paying something as low as $20 per month does
not represent much savings when the actual re-sale cost to replace
(or upgrade) the computer is concerned at the end of 24 months.

And as for the prepaid cards, how equally absurd. Have we now
reached the age of disposable computer systems? That is, when the
card expires, junk it? The landfills are already filled beyond
capacity with toxic and hazardous waste.

Is Microsoft thinking of extending its monopolies to include
(a) owning a bank, (b) a communications company, (c) credit card
company and (d) running a garbage service in addition to everything
else that it is doing today?
 
That is another option people have.
It is their choice whether they choose it or any number of other options.

Personally, I like choices and do not see a downside to this since the
traditional options are also open to consumers as well as this new option.
They now have another choice and have lost nothing of the original choices.
 
I'm basing my question from info I heard this week on this site (Mike
Hewitt)
www.ccmag.com
So yes Uncle Grumpy, I have a clue...
Some subscriptions that are not re-newed simply stop updating...some shut
your system down...
mc
 
What hogwash! Twenty-four (24) months is an eternity insofar as
a computer is concerned. It would already be 6 months past 1 cycle
of Moore's Law. And paying something as low as $20 per month does
not represent much savings when the actual re-sale cost to replace
(or upgrade) the computer is concerned at the end of 24 months.

And as for the prepaid cards, how equally absurd. Have we now
reached the age of disposable computer systems? That is, when the
card expires, junk it? The landfills are already filled beyond
capacity with toxic and hazardous waste.

Try to make sense man! In the first paragraph you bitch about how 24 months
is too long to pay for a computer, and then bitch about disposable
computing. Make up your mind.

BTW, 24 months is very reasonable to pay for a computer. The majority of
users keep their computers 3-5 years.
 
Asher_N said:
Try to make sense man! In the first paragraph you bitch about how 24 months
is too long to pay for a computer, and then bitch about disposable
computing. Make up your mind.

BTW, 24 months is very reasonable to pay for a computer. The majority of
users keep their computers 3-5 years.


I think I see the direction GH is taking. It is akin to having
a permanent leasing arrangement on driving an automobile, such
as being promoted in the US. This type of financial arrangement
gives zero equity to the participant, which might be good or bad,
depending on the deal itself. This is the "disposable" aspect of
the setup but what value is there in an obsoleted computer that
is 24 months old and with the lease price on the upgraded OS being
doubled the original, perhaps?
 
I think I see the direction GH is taking. It is akin to having
a permanent leasing arrangement on driving an automobile, such
as being promoted in the US. This type of financial arrangement
gives zero equity to the participant, which might be good or bad,
depending on the deal itself. This is the "disposable" aspect of
the setup but what value is there in an obsoleted computer that
is 24 months old and with the lease price on the upgraded OS being
doubled the original, perhaps?

At this point there is no way of knowing what the financial aspects of
this will be, compared to an outright purchase.

Lease type arrangements can be attractive to those who do not have the
cash available for an outright purchase and who have a high cost of
borrowing (e.g. credit card financing). There can also occasionally
be a tax advantage to a lease arrangement in some business
circumstances, although this aspect is usually vastly overhyped by
leasing proponents.

If, for example, the leasing company has a borrowing cost of 7% and
the individual has a borrowing cost of 21% or higher and if the
leasing company is not including a high "risk penalty" in their lease
rate then a lease type situation might be financially attractive.

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

"Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference
has never been in bed with a mosquito."
 
I think I see the direction GH is taking. It is akin to having
a permanent leasing arrangement on driving an automobile, such
as being promoted in the US. This type of financial arrangement
gives zero equity to the participant, which might be good or bad,
depending on the deal itself. This is the "disposable" aspect of
the setup but what value is there in an obsoleted computer that
is 24 months old and with the lease price on the upgraded OS being
doubled the original, perhaps?


Keep in mind that a lot of corporation lease their computer equipment. It
saves on having to come up with a large amount of cash to purchase, and
also on trying to dispose of obsolote equipment.
 
Asher_N said:
Keep in mind that a lot of corporation lease their computer equipment. It
saves on having to come up with a large amount of cash to purchase, and
also on trying to dispose of obsolote equipment.


Correct and I am involved in supporting this type of setup.
This particular arrangement has me as the owner of a number
of units along with providing for their support. Now, the
organization pays an annual fixed rate for the use of these
units and support (typically, prime + 1 or 2%). All machines
were acquired with heavy and the support payment is a form of
VAT [to me]. Disposal is my problem but I get a good resale
value after 2 years.

But leasing products at the consumer level is a different
type of game entirely. Corporate credit rates and consumer
loan rates are different as night and day, as well as the
terms that are involved, and it is transparent in business
lease deals like the above. The consumer is not going to
enjoy prime plus 1% or anything close to it or get the same
degree of discounting as given businesses. It would not be
surprising that the monthly loan payment is based on unit
MSRP over the life of the consumer loan than a discounted
rate based on initial deposit or a business volume rate.
 
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