Which product is the best disk defragger and optimizer?

A

Ant

Hello all.

I am currently using PerfectDisk v5.0.xxxx for Windows XP Professional
SP1. I wonder if I should upgrade to v6.0, but I cannot figure out if
there are any improvements and new features to upgrade. I am using
Windows XP for gaming, Internet usage, workstation, etc. I usually
defrag and optimize my disk data (EIDE) when I am not using the
computer. I usually do this once a month.

Is there another good disk defragger and optimizer to use? I also plan
to use it for my Windows 2000 SP4 workstation as well.

Thank you in advance. :)
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S

Shenan T. Stanley

Ant said:
Hello all.

I am currently using PerfectDisk v5.0.xxxx for Windows XP Professional
SP1. I wonder if I should upgrade to v6.0, but I cannot figure out if
there are any improvements and new features to upgrade. I am using
Windows XP for gaming, Internet usage, workstation, etc. I usually
defrag and optimize my disk data (EIDE) when I am not using the
computer. I usually do this once a month.

Is there another good disk defragger and optimizer to use? I also plan
to use it for my Windows 2000 SP4 workstation as well.

I just use the built in disk defragment. I use my 500GB for movie captures,
games, web page design, and other normal uses (word processing, database
development, some scripting..)

Never had the need for a 3rd party tool, including when I was using Windows
NT and Windows 2000.
 
E

Edward W. Thompson

Firstly there is no "best" defragger, all defraggers do an adequate job
including the utility included with WINXP. Some commercial defraggers do
allow you to defrag "offline" that permits defragging of system files but
that facility, though seemingly important to some, is, as far as I am
concerned, a non essential extra.

With respect to Perfect Disk, why do you think Version 6 will do any better
than Version 5? Software companys love issuing updates that in reality
often do nothing other than the same thing a different way and, of course,
claim it will save you nano seconds of time in doing it. Perfect disk
Version 5 will defrag you drives as well as Version 6 but you obviously
won't be running the latest and greatest software. If that's important to
you then I am sure you can find a reason for purchasing Version 6 and make
Mr Raxco very happy!
 
A

Ant

Firstly there is no "best" defragger, all defraggers do an adequate job
including the utility included with WINXP. Some commercial defraggers do
allow you to defrag "offline" that permits defragging of system files but
that facility, though seemingly important to some, is, as far as I am
concerned, a non essential extra.

Ah, I thought moving these files helped performance. Same goes for swap
files.

With respect to Perfect Disk, why do you think Version 6 will do any better
than Version 5? Software companys love issuing updates that in reality
often do nothing other than the same thing a different way and, of course,
claim it will save you nano seconds of time in doing it. Perfect disk
Version 5 will defrag you drives as well as Version 6 but you obviously
won't be running the latest and greatest software. If that's important to
you then I am sure you can find a reason for purchasing Version 6 and make
Mr Raxco very happy!

That is why I posted this. ;)

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L

Lemon Jelly

Ant - (enthusiastic X-posting noted!) typed:
I'd stick with PD5. I had to return to r035 from the latest to get back
the ability to offline defrag my C drive. As a rule-of-thumb, I tend to
upgrade every other version - I get better value unless new s/w comes
with a must have feature.
 
B

Bruiser

Lemon Jelly wrote:
I'd stick with PD5. I had to return to r035 from the latest to get

I had the same prob with PD6: it would offline defrag every partition except
C:\, stating it couldn't lock the drive (this didn't happen with PD5).

Never did figure out what the issue was, although I suspect it might have
been Norton (Protected Recycle Bin/Files??).

B.
 
G

Greg Hayes/Raxco Software

Phil,

Just a few enhancements:

- Faster defrag on large partitions (15-20% speed improvement)
- MMC interface
- Drive Health makes recommendations on type of defrag to perform
- Drive Health provides visual cues as to fragmentation issues with key file system components
- Integration with Active Directory (not used by home users)
- Disk Trending
- Schedules now permit selecting Smart Placement or Defrag Only

V5 will be "sunsetted" soon. In the software business, that means that no future updates will be available and technical support will be limited.

( I also responded to your email in to Raxco technical support)

- Greg/Raxco Software
Microsoft MVP - Windows Storage Management/File System

Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk - a commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the support department.
 
G

Greg Hayes/Raxco Software

NT4 didn't have an included defragmenter. If you were defragmenting, you
were using a 3rd party tool :)

- Greg/Raxco Software
Microsoft MVP - Windows Storage Management/File System

Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk - a
commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the support department.
 
G

Greg Hayes/Raxco Software

Please contact me regarding this.

- Greg/Raxco Software
Microsoft MVP - Windows Storage Management/File System

Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk - a
commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the support department
 
B

Bee

For ordinary, day-to-day, run-of-the-mill office work, when I am in a fussy
mood, I do a sequential defrag using no other than the resident tool in my
WinXP till the 'error' is demonstrably reduced to a constant. Have you
actually timed your operations to satisfy yourself that you have in deed
gained materially with the use of the commercial package?

Normally though I don't bother to defrag more than once in each session, but
this is done more frequently than your once a month routine.

This is not answering your specific question, but I want to evince my
sentiment which resonates with that expressed by Edward Thompson posted
earlier.
 
R

Ricardo M. Urbano - W2K/NT4 MVP

That has to be one of the most uniformed and biased opinions I have seen
in here in a very long time.

While defragging *may* not be all that important to home users (a point
in itself which is highly debatable), a blanket statement such as yours
would be widely disputed w/ most NTx users. Just the fact that PD added
AD support would make the upgrade more than worthwhile and it would
probably pay for itself in a very short period of time.

Aside from that, if you use Norton's crappy SpeedDisk, you would be
*required* to upgrade almost anytime a new SP was released since it was
SP dependent. If you didn't upgrade, it would defragment an NTFS volume
the way it would a FAT volume which is pretty useless. And if you use
the built in defragger to fix SpeedDisk's work, that's like asking your
5 year old to finish up what the professional contractor didn't/couldn't
complete.

DiskKeeper and the other's are continually optimizing the
defragmentation algorithms, improving the interface, etc., etc., etc.
 
D

Danny W

Its never worth updating an app such as a defragger unless there's something
wrong with it - it does a job when you use it once every so often. If it
defrags your disk properly (i often check the work of Norton SpeedDisk with
the built in Diskeeper-based defragger as it had a slight problem a few
installations ago)
 
P

paul diertich

Aside from that, if you use Norton's crappy SpeedDisk, you would be
*required* to upgrade almost anytime a new SP was released since it was
SP dependent.

It gives you a warning, But that's all.
 
L

Lemon Jelly

paul diertich - typed:
It gives you a warning, But that's all.

I would not use any defrag app that didn't use MS's own API. NSD doesn't
& I'm not sure that O&O does either. PD & DK do use MS's API, so don't
fight the Prefetch process which is effectively a form of
defragmentation itself. Can't comment on Vopt XP but it gets recommended
by someone who's judgement I normally trust. The problem with custom
API's is that a Service Pack can break them. Why re-invent the wheel?
 
C

Casa Villalobos

nothng and I mean nothing beats Executive Software, Diskeeper. Fine company,
excellent technical help and you get it for 30 days free trail. Go get it,
u'll buy in les than a week, when u see your computer being defragged and
cleaned up. this is an excellent product
 
J

JTBurn

Nothing beats it? I think not.

Casa Villalobos said:
nothng and I mean nothing beats Executive Software, Diskeeper. Fine company,
excellent technical help and you get it for 30 days free trail. Go get it,
u'll buy in les than a week, when u see your computer being defragged and
cleaned up. this is an excellent product
 
G

Greg Hayes/Raxco Software

Not using Microsoft's defrag APIs caused lots of problems for Symantec.
They were dedicating a significant amount of resources simply ensuring that
they were compatible with hotfixes/service packs released by Microsoft.
That is why with Windows XP, SpeedDisk now uses Microsoft's defrags.
Granted, what they were able to accomplish defrag wish by bypassing
Microsoft's defrag APIs was impressive.

Now that Symantec has discontinued support and development of SpeedDisk for
the enterprise (servers), they are recommending PerfectDisk to their
enterprise customers.

- Greg/Raxco Software
Microsoft MVP - Windows Storage Management/File System

Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk - a
commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the support department.
 
R

Randy Harris

Greg Hayes/Raxco Software said:
Not using Microsoft's defrag APIs caused lots of problems for Symantec.
They were dedicating a significant amount of resources simply ensuring that
they were compatible with hotfixes/service packs released by Microsoft.
That is why with Windows XP, SpeedDisk now uses Microsoft's defrags.
Granted, what they were able to accomplish defrag wish by bypassing
Microsoft's defrag APIs was impressive.

Now that Symantec has discontinued support and development of SpeedDisk for
the enterprise (servers), they are recommending PerfectDisk to their
enterprise customers.

- Greg/Raxco Software
Microsoft MVP - Windows Storage Management/File System

Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk - a
commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the support department.

Greg, thanks for the information. I've been intently following this thread
for more than a week in hopes of learning about the current cadre of
defraging tools. I had been an advocate of SpeedDisk for years but have
become concerned about the compatibility issues. Matter of fact, technical
information, such as you've provided, is of great value and much
appreciated.

Randy Harris
 
C

Charles C. Drew

The latest version of Diskeeper has some features you may not know about...

* Can defragment the MFT
* Can defragment the paging file.
* Can defragment the directory structures.
* Can set execution priority to speed up defragmentation times or
minimize CPU utilization.
* Can be set to defragment for maximized disk performance, quick defrags,
or reduced free space fragmentation.
* Has a special mode that defrags the MFT and page file on-the-fly. In
other words least amount of fragmentation always.

Besides, best disk performance is more important that even least fragmented
free space. Just booting up XP will fragment files. I would think you want
the best performance of your machine most of the time and all of the time if
you can get to that pinnacle. Since Diskeeper can be configure to only use
idle time to defrag, you can actually do work with minimal performance
impact DURING a defrag operation. PerfectDisk ALWAYS uses a noticeable
about of CPU while it is defragging and ALWAYS impacts performance levels of
the machine very noticeably. Since PerfectDisk also takes longer to do its
job, I would say the resulting usable performance is higher with Diskeeper.


| Faster equates to better? Today, most people don't think so - they think
| that the more complete job that you do, the better:)
|
| I could write a defragmenter that will finish running in 30 seconds. That
| defragmenter would be the champion of fastest defrag - the problem is that
| it would only defragment one file at a time and you would need to run it
| over and over again.
|
| PD actually does more work than Diskeeper. For a truer comparision, run
| PerfectDisk in Defrag Only mode. That way, PD will basically function
like
| Diskeeper - defragmenting files and not really performing any free space
| consolidation. Running in Smart Placement mode (the default), PD not only
| defragments files, it also consolidates free space and places files so
that
| the partition re-fragments slower - PD does all of this in 1 pass.
|
| Any commercial defragmenter can be scheduled to run whenever you want -
| Diskeeper doesn't have an exclusive on this option?
|
| Just my two cents worth...
|
| - Greg/Raxco Software
| Microsoft MVP - Windows Storage Management/File System
|
| Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk - a
| commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the support
department.
|
|
|
| | > After using both PerfectDisk, Speedisk, and Diskeeper; I prefer
Executive
| > Software's Diskeeper. It has more options than PerfectDisk and defrags
| > drives faster, especially after the 1st defrag. I can schedule it to
| defrag
| > only an night when I'm not on the machine and I can set the process
| priority
| > from anywhere from highest (faster than normal) to lowest (idle time).
| >
| message
| > | > | Not using Microsoft's defrag APIs caused lots of problems for
Symantec.
| > | They were dedicating a significant amount of resources simply ensuring
| > that
| > | they were compatible with hotfixes/service packs released by
Microsoft.
| > | That is why with Windows XP, SpeedDisk now uses Microsoft's defrags.
| > | Granted, what they were able to accomplish defrag wish by bypassing
| > | Microsoft's defrag APIs was impressive.
| > |
| > | Now that Symantec has discontinued support and development of
SpeedDisk
| > for
| > | the enterprise (servers), they are recommending PerfectDisk to their
| > | enterprise customers.
| > |
| > | - Greg/Raxco Software
| > | Microsoft MVP - Windows Storage Management/File System
| > |
| > | Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk - a
| > | commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the support
| > department.
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | | > | > paul diertich - typed:
| > | > > On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 15:08:54 -0400, Ricardo M. Urbano - W2K/NT4
MVP
| > | > >
| > | > >>
| > | > >> Aside from that, if you use Norton's crappy SpeedDisk, you would
be
| > | > >> *required* to upgrade almost anytime a new SP was released since
it
| > | > >> was SP dependent.
| > | > >
| > | > > It gives you a warning, But that's all.
| > | >
| > | > I would not use any defrag app that didn't use MS's own API. NSD
| doesn't
| > | > & I'm not sure that O&O does either. PD & DK do use MS's API, so
don't
| > | > fight the Prefetch process which is effectively a form of
| > | > defragmentation itself. Can't comment on Vopt XP but it gets
| recommended
| > | > by someone who's judgement I normally trust. The problem with custom
| > | > API's is that a Service Pack can break them. Why re-invent the
wheel?
| > | > --
| > | > Paul
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
 
C

Charles C. Drew

I believe both PerfectDisk and Diskeeper use the MS API. The versions I
compared were from late last year (their free 30 day use versions).

| Greg Hayes/Raxco Software - typed:
| > Faster equates to better? Today, most people don't think so - they
| > think that the more complete job that you do, the better:)
| >
| > I could write a defragmenter that will finish running in 30 seconds.
| > That defragmenter would be the champion of fastest defrag - the
| > problem is that it would only defragment one file at a time and you
| > would need to run it over and over again.
| >
| > PD actually does more work than Diskeeper. For a truer comparision,
| > run PerfectDisk in Defrag Only mode. That way, PD will basically
| > function like Diskeeper - defragmenting files and not really
| > performing any free space consolidation. Running in Smart Placement
| > mode (the default), PD not only defragments files, it also
| > consolidates free space and places files so that the partition
| > re-fragments slower - PD does all of this in 1 pass.
| >
| > Any commercial defragmenter can be scheduled to run whenever you want
| > - Diskeeper doesn't have an exclusive on this option?
|
| As I pointed out earlier in this thread - all defrag apps have moved on
| since I compared the main three. Another thing that swung PD over the
| others back then was subsequent defrags with PD seemed to reduce
| re-fragmentation. IIRC, all 3 have fully working demo versions that
| anyone with the time & inclination can test for themselves.
|
| Greg, do you know if the current version (or previous for that matter)
| of O&O use the MS API?
| --
| Paul
|
|
 

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