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Message: [QUOTE="Mangyrat, post: 6140043"] i also have both set up at the same time in same room so i can see the tv quality at same time and the tv 2000 is a littel better than the ati tv wonder. both have good points and bad points. the tv 2000 will not run on my 2nd monitor no mater what. "i run 2 dual monitor systems both with tv cards installed and KDS monitors" the ati tv wonder runs on 2nd monitor with no problems. but the tv 2000 has pic in pic that i like and it works better with my cam corder for some reason. ati tv wonder works great as desk top viewing but the tv2000 has the shadows around icons and dont work that great as desk top vewing in back ground. if i had to pick one tv card i would take the winfast tv2000 due to the pic in pic and over all tv quality. it realy depends on what you want the card to do? your getting a 9800 for dual monitors so if you want to get it working on the 2nd monitor i would have to say go ati tv wonder "get the one with stereo it make a diferance in sound big time" its the only one i have gotten to work on 2nd display. but if you can live with tv only on 1st display then get the tv2000 [/QUOTE]