Service Pack 2

[Guest]

I have downloaded service pack 2 (with all the norton, etc. disabled) and
installed it. Now I cannot access Internet Explorer and after awhile it
freezes up everything. I rebooted in safe mode and uninstalled SP2. Now it
works fine. Do I need SP2 or is there something wrong with my (fairly) new
Emachines (2.2gghz, 448 mb RAM) PC?

Are there similar problems/fixes out there?

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Alan:
"Work was begun in early July 2004 on Service Pack 2"
This is the beginning of your incorrect information but it is
certainly not the end.

People post problems here because problem solving is the purpose of
these newsgroups.
If you are going to judge based on that alone, you have heavy blinders
on.
You might as well judge the health of the human race after visiting a
hospital and ignoring all other factors.

A great many are successful, you rarely hear about them because they
are successful.

Your second to last statement is close.
Preparation goes a long way.
All problems, known and unknown, need to be resolved BEFORE installing
any updates especially something as large as a Service Pack.

Also see:
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm

 

[Testy]

I went to the TechNet Fall Tour in Toronto last Thursday. The main topic was
"Deploying SP2".
The two Microsoft presenters decided to do a sample of installing SP2 on
their laptop after 20 minutes of installing their system crashed. It was
interesting watching these two MS Professionals try for a further 20 minutes
to recover from this crash, finally they removed the laptop from the stage
and replaced it with another one. No further install demonstration was
attempted.
One of the best presentations I have ever seen!

Testy

 

[Guest]

Hi Jupitor, can you tell me when you became a MVP? Where do you practice your
expertise. Anyhow please read what I said as you said the same thing about
when work was begun on Service Pack 2. I don't want to sound desultory but
the heenalth of the human race if you look around all over and not just one
hospital is pretty much in trouble. More people take prescription drugs that
don't take and also the fact that we travel by airplane spreads things around
quickly around the world. Anyhow that is a little side though, now come on I
am not having blinders on and I am not trying to be invective. I am just
using my common sense that if more time had been able to be devoted like as
was service pack 1 and also way more beta testing time the problems people
are having would not be endemic. Service pack 2 was released on an exigency
basis. Remember, I talk to a lot of computer professionals and they said they
don't even want to attempt to install service pack 2. As I stated before in
my other answer regarding this. So please look at the facts and the time
period to understand why I am asserting this kind of objective observation.

Take care, Alan

 

[Jim]

Allow me to mention what everyone else will not.
STFU.
Your posts contribute NOTHING.
You can't compose a simple comprehensible sentence.
Do you know what a paragraph is?
You are too lazy to even use a spell check, F7 BTW.
HOPE THAT HELPS

 

[Guest]

Jim, who are you talking too and where is there a spell check in this posting
box may I ask. I am not posting offline, I am doing everything online. Tell
me how many words are mispelled besides health. Excuse me for being human if
you will.
Now you don't know my background and I don't know your background. So be
careful how you tread as you don't know what you are talking about when you
place a value judgement on someone.

Now as for perfect paragraphing, this is an informal newsgroup and
formalities are not what is important here but valuable information. How many
of my posts have you read? What Jim may I ask is your background? Now the
way you replied is not exactly the greatest diction in the world you have to
admit. You have some sentence fragments did you notice?

But one thing you can suggest is why don't you ask them to put a spell check
in this posting box. Sorry but I do my writing online as a policy. Hope you
garner something from this communication.

Cheers,

Alan

 

[Jim]

I am talking to (not too) you and again your post makes no sense. I had to
read it three times to understand you.
I don't know or care who you are outside of your posting to this group, only
that your posts here are far too (not to) long and misinformed. I have read
your posts and they are obnoxious.You have lots of words but say nothing.
..That is MY judgment and I'll stick to it
Posting here has nothing to do with "formal" or "informal", it needs to be
comprehensible. If your writing is hard to understand because your sentences
run on then what kind of "valuable" information have you left here?
And yes it's true, my sentences are far from perfect but you don't need to
read them three times to understand them.
As far as a spell check in the posting box, that is called laziness.You need
to post with a newsreader or cut and paste your posts into your mail program
to check them before you post the message. But you should have known that
since you are so "knowledgeable".
Finally,what I have "garnered"is that you do not communicate effectively. Oh
and I don't give a flying **** what you think.
PLONK

http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.webtree.ca/newlife/checklist_for_posting.htm

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Perhaps you need to talk to computer experts instead of so called
professionals.
Why do you think "Work was begun in early July 2004 on Service Pack
2"?
That is ridiculous.

Work was begun about 2 years before then, Beta testing alone was many
months before July 2004.
Do a little research on your own instead of the so called
professionals you refer.
You may surprise yourself with some facts about SP-2 testing your
professionals are unaware.

If your professionals "don't even want to attempt to install service
pack 2" they are most likely incompetent under the best conditions.

 

[Guest]

Jim it is hard to listen to what you are saying as the reason being that
everyone in this world has ways of communicating with the written word in
whatever language they utilize. You have to understand that some of us are
more advanced in our diction. If you have trouble understanding me then what
that says is maybe I am coming from a different perspective that you find
annoying because it is new to you.
So as a result you find my posts to be of no use to yourself.

Well, if you don't like a channel on a particular program you are watching
you change it. So you need to change your channel of how you relate. I don't
use any abusive language against you and you should also conduct yourself
accordingly.

Tell me a little bit about yourself if you have the courage. Then maybe we
can come to some kind of juncture where you realize why you are getting so
irate.

One thing, I will have you know I can bet you a lot of people find my posts
valuable.
You are just one person that has not. The monitoring of each user of who is
helped and who isn't is not accurate as I get e-mail to my personal box
thanking me for helping out.

One more thing is what are you referring to being misinformed as you give no
examples of this. Also, you have not pointed out what posts you have read and
are causing you to be irked. However, I will proofread my posts but I desire
to do it without any newsreader as I don't have a lot of time to devote to
this. I don't like making spelling mistakes either but I do burn the midnight
oil a lot because there is so much work to be done.

Anyhow, let us be gentlemen here and not be so mouthy with suggestive
obscenities. Did you know that STFU what you said in your first post can
stand for something very positvie (Super Talented Fellow Urbanite).

Read and enjoy, you should be able to comprehend this,

Alan

 

[Guest]

Jupiter can you do me a favor and tell me what area you have expertise as a
MVP?
Can't anyone on this newsgroup come on and say they are a MVP? I did notice
that you put that in quotes as I did not notice that the first time. Did you
read what Testy said about SP2 and his experiences at at a Technet fall tour
in Toronto with Microsoft Professionals misexperiences? Anyhow write me back
and let me know what your feelings on this particular situation is.

Alan

 

[John Butler]

Alan
I respect the hard work and dedication of MVP's and I support Jupiter Jones
comments to the effect that in this forum we should be trying to help one
another not exchange insults and also remember that most posts come from
users who do not have a deep experience of Windows and need prompt
assistance.
I am a professional IT consultant for many years; I've dome lots of beta
testing. I know that Service pack 2 is a compilation of all the improvements
to Windows XP since the initial release and includes the improvements
contained in SP1 and subsequent updates plus some modest changes in layout
and the addition of the Security centre. So in a way both Alan & Jupiter are
right about the length of beta testing.
Having now done or helped with many SP2 installs my experience is that most
of them are trouble free PROVIDED that the prior installation did not
already have problems and the hardware\drivers are current. If the
installation of SP2 causes problems that cannot be easily resolved then it
is better to uninstall it and go back to the previous system state and add
necessary updates one by one as needed.
If it is important tot the user to have SP2 installed and as I wrote above
the prior installation did not already have problems and the
hardware\drivers are current, then it would be better to do save the
operational data to backup, do a clean install of Windows XP, then install
condition SP2 and reinstall the applications and add the data in from
backup.

For CAT who started the thread I would say your best route is to uninstall
SP2 and stick with SP1 plus appropriate updates. If having SP2 is really
important for you, and you enjoy broadening your computing experience and
have spare time, make a partition on your hard disk of at least 12GB, then
make a second installation of Windows from your original Windows XP gold CD
into that partition and try installing SP2 on the new installation. If it is
OK then the PC and hardware are not your problem and you can start
installing your applications one by one. Eventually if you get your XP2 +SP2
system to the point where it is satisfactory you can strip out the original
installation and remove the partition. If you are not knowledgeable about
Windows XP you will need some help along the way but you will get it here or
from the XP general forum.

John Butler

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

"One of the best presentations I have ever seen!"
That explains some about what you like to see in a presentation but
little else.