Charlie Tame said:
Actually I waited to see what a few others said and I liked Bob's reply the
best, this one...
1. What is your actual evidence that it was the updates that
slowed your computer down?
2. Living in denial can be very comforting, but ultimately you
pay the price. Just ask NASA.
See upcoming post.
The first point is very valid... you make it sound like you have started
with a fresh install and as you've installed updates (and nothing else)
you've seen this slow down.
I had started with a fresh install. I always wait one day between
downloading any applications or programs to verify conflict or performance
issues.
In fact I suspect the slowdown has happened over a much longer period
than that
I suppose that is possible. However I would have realized something amiss
upon downloading a program due to my one-per-day policy. Or at least I
should have... and hadn't. Matter of fact, the ONLY items I download as a
group were those MS updates, and those only a few at a time (whichever, at
the time, could be reversed- saving those which cannot be uninstalled for
the very last downloads, and then one per day after exhausting use).
and whilst you don't appear to be completely
without knowledge (please don't take this the wrong way) there may be
something else you have been unaware of.
I do not take your comments, suggestions or correct observations as anything
other than good-faith assistance. And you're correct- I have a very limited
working knowledge based solely on experience and reading these newsgroups.
I encourage any and all commentary and suggestion.
A fresh install is probably the best time to install updates, after all your
system should be just as the update regime expects it and not have been
accidentally altered in any way.
Good point, however because of my discussion with the tech rep, I avoided
them upon the fresh install at his direction.
Did you always turn off your Antivirus while updating?
Always.
Did you use the option to keep uninstall info?
When applicable, yes. Some programs do not package an uninstall program. For
those, I use Add-Remove Pro. For all MS downloads, whichever may be
uninstalled are set to allow uninstall, however, as I'd said earlier, the
only applications I'd downloaded as a group were these MS updates and didn't
know exactly which one (or more) were the culprit.
Have you ever used other people's "Install" CDs for anything (ISP CDs can
be a bit sloppy etc).
Never. I do not use anyone elses files. I do not subscribe to any P2P file
sharing networks (other than WinMX which is adware/spyware free, and only
download .mp3 files) and I do not promote illegal program distribution. I
pay for my programs and do not share my keys.
As to updates you "Don't need" be very careful here. Read the descriptions
and if you truly don't need them and are certain you never will need them
consider omitting them. Even if you don't install them MS may put them in
the next service pack anyway. Critical updates should be done. If Ford
recalled your car because a manufacturing defect was found in the wiring to
the lights would you consider driving around in the dark just in case the
flaw manifested itself?
I see your point and agree with your analogy. Please don't mistake my
discussion for disagreement. I'm simply trying to obtain all opinions
possible, then base my decision upon your knowledge combined with my past
experiences.
As for the PC maker well, either they still want you to believe they sold
you something 100% perfect and don't want to burst your bubble or else they
are aware of something in the OS they fiddled with they don't want
discovered.
Anything is possible, I suppose. Interesting observation. The second rep
offered, "Don't ever download those things", when I questioned. He added,
"They just muck things up". "Bill Gates is very proud of you" he went on to
say, and some such.
{shrug}
One of the reason many supply a "Recovery CD" is because it
formats everything, puts the system back in factory spec and reduced their
tech support load. manufacturers tech support costs money and they don't
make much profit shifting "Boxes" so having you accept losing all your data
has two benefits. First it makes you blame the OS and second it makes you
feel inferior so the problem becomes "Your fault" and not "Theirs".
Essentially they are saying "Look, it's working now isn't it? You're happy
now aren't you? Good, don't call us back".
Excellent point... and one I tend to agree with. I hadn't even thought of
it. When I explained my problem as an error reported from the 'mshtml.dll'
file and asked how I could replace it safely, the suggestion was clean
reformat. Nothing else. Of course, even after the reinstall, I'm still left
with my IE/WE crashing upon visiting one particular site (eudoramail.com).
Would you care to expand some knowledge upon this particular subject? I
haven't a clue.
Personally I think they should be held to task for such advice, after
all
they > are causing trouble for MS here and I bet that's not in the terms of
Hmm...
[small snip]
Best of luck whatever you decide.
Thank you, Charlie. I do appreciate the advice. Perhaps it is an inferior
system.. or one with hidden faults. Whatever the case, in my case, it
'appears' that the MS updates cause my particular system problems, but as
I'd stated in another post, it's also possible that the updates could have
been or become corrupt locally proving undesired results.
I don't know... which is my reason for asking
Jeff