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[QUOTE="muckshifter, post: 8849272, member: 2"] Some of these Routers are very intelligent ... ;) Which MSN is this ... 'cos everything seems to point to ... [URL]http://get.live.com/messenger/overview[/URL] ... that got me lost. :o Actually, I won't be much help I don't use it ... but one of the MSN Messenger uses UpNp so if your router does not support it ... try the new messenger. :thumb: [/QUOTE]