Homeschooling Query #2

[Dead_Dad]

Hi. (XP Pro w/SP2) I have a son who /persists/ in chatting to his
friends/emailing/playing games/etc. when he is supposed to be doing his
schoolwork on the computer. Is there a way to set up an account to run
only a single program with no options to run anything else? In the good
old days I could just run it as the shell, but I don't know if that
works on a global level or an account level. Any assistance would be
appreciated.

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[CWatters]

Hi. (XP Pro w/SP2) I have a son who /persists/ in chatting to his
friends/emailing/playing games/etc. when he is supposed to be doing his
schoolwork on the computer. Is there a way to set up an account to run
only a single program with no options to run anything else? In the good
old days I could just run it as the shell, but I don't know if that
works on a global level or an account level. Any assistance would be
appreciated.

Something like this can "ration" time on the internet.
http://www.netnanny.com/

Several other similar programs exist.

 

[Tom Fahey]

There is really no way that I know of to do exactly what you want to do, but
this would help a great deal. Make two different accounts, one for school
one for non school and give those accounts different access rights for the
programs you are trying to control. That won't stop the lad from logging on
as the non school user, but it is a beginning.

Ideally, setting up a small domain is the answer. Then, you can give each
account access rights on programs and control logon times, etc with very
little effort. You just restrict the non student account from loggin in
during school hours, and limit the student account to just the school based
programs.

 

[Dead_Dad]

There is really no way that I know of to do exactly what you want to do, but
this would help a great deal. Make two different accounts, one for school
one for non school and give those accounts different access rights for the
programs you are trying to control. That won't stop the lad from logging on
as the non school user, but it is a beginning.

Ideally, setting up a small domain is the answer. Then, you can give each
account access rights on programs and control logon times, etc with very
little effort. You just restrict the non student account from loggin in
during school hours, and limit the student account to just the school based
programs.

Would you happen to have a link to a FAQ or How-To?

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[Dead_Dad]

Something like this can "ration" time on the internet.
http://www.netnanny.com/

Several other similar programs exist.

The problem is not his being 'on the net', but doing other things when
he /should/ be doing schoolwork. I want to remove even the /possibility/.

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[Jonathan L S]

Probably the easiest way is to remove your belt, fold it in
half, and grasp the two ends in your strongest hand. Then
put the young man across your lap face down and ask him
if he's going to obey you from now on. I think you can
figure out the next step by yourself.


| Hi. (XP Pro w/SP2) I have a son who /persists/ in chatting to his
| friends/emailing/playing games/etc. when he is supposed to be doing his
| schoolwork on the computer. Is there a way to set up an account to run
| only a single program with no options to run anything else? In the good
| old days I could just run it as the shell, but I don't know if that
| works on a global level or an account level. Any assistance would be
| appreciated.
|
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| P.S. Hi Ron! Long time, no see.
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[PA Bear]

[Sounds like homeschooling's gonna be a lotta fun, DD.]

 

[Star Fleet Admiral Q]

This always worked for me - I took my son/daughter by the hand, looked them
straight in the eye and told them what they were to do or else, the else of
course would be some type of punishment, one especially hand picked for said
son/daughter, what they hated most. That could be from missing their
favorite TV show, no phone time, sitting in the corner, no playtime with
Jane/Joe next door, etc - but I guess you could say the bottom line was - a
parent disciplining the child - showing who's boss. The things you took
responsibility for when you decided to have children. No one said it would
be easy, and no one is going to have the perfect answers, and one definitely
should not be depending on software to do what a parent should be doing!!!

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[Plato]

The problem is not his being 'on the net', but doing other things when
he /should/ be doing schoolwork. I want to remove even the /possibility/.

Put a stool in the corner of the room. When he does what's hes' not
suppossed to do have him take a timeout for 2 hours on the stool.

If that doesnt work then no pc for a week.

 

[Dead_Dad]

Put a stool in the corner of the room. When he does what's hes' not
suppossed to do have him take a timeout for 2 hours on the stool.

If that doesnt work then no pc for a week.

The problem with that is my wife simply doesn't have /time/ to keep
looking over his shoulder.


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[Dead_Dad]

| Hi. (XP Pro w/SP2) I have a son who /persists/ in chatting to his
| friends/emailing/playing games/etc. when he is supposed to be doing his
| schoolwork on the computer. Is there a way to set up an account to run
| only a single program with no options to run anything else? In the good
| old days I could just run it as the shell, but I don't know if that
| works on a global level or an account level. Any assistance would be
| appreciated.
|
Probably the easiest way is to remove your belt, fold it in
half, and grasp the two ends in your strongest hand. Then
put the young man across your lap face down and ask him
if he's going to obey you from now on. I think you can
figure out the next step by yourself.

......disconnect the phone so he can't call Child Services, right? <G>

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[Dead_Dad]

Hi. (XP Pro w/SP2) I have a son who /persists/ in chatting to his
friends/emailing/playing games/etc. when he is supposed to be doing his
schoolwork on the computer. Is there a way to set up an account to run
only a single program with no options to run anything else? In the good
old days I could just run it as the shell, but I don't know if that
works on a global level or an account level. Any assistance would be
appreciated.

[Sounds like homeschooling's gonna be a lotta fun, DD.]

Quite often, yes. And considering the terrifying */CRAP/* going on in
the public school system, it's the /only/ option that is acceptable for
us. I wonder just how many of you know exactly what your children are
being taught.....

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[Dead_Dad]

This always worked for me - I took my son/daughter by the hand, looked them

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Please. I am /only/ looking for an answer for a /specific/ question,
not /general/ parenting advice.

<rant>You /don't/ know anything about my situation, and I /don't/
appreciate you sticking your nose in my /personal/ business. I can see
now that I made a /serious/ mistake in simply saying "Any assistance
would be appreciated." I only wanted /technical/ help to set up
accounts that will only run a single program, /not/ a lecture on what
kind of parent /you/ think I should be. Busybodies like yourself are
neither needed nor wanted.</rant>

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[PA Bear]

Hi. (XP Pro w/SP2) I have a son who /persists/ in chatting to his
friends/emailing/playing games/etc. when he is supposed to be doing his
schoolwork on the computer. Is there a way to set up an account to run
only a single program with no options to run anything else? In the good
old days I could just run it as the shell, but I don't know if that
works on a global level or an account level. Any assistance would be
appreciated.

[Sounds like homeschooling's gonna be a lotta fun, DD.]

Quite often, yes. And considering the terrifying */CRAP/* going on in
the public school system, it's the /only/ option that is acceptable for
us. I wonder just how many of you know exactly what your children are
being taught.....

Let's not go there but I will pose this rhetorical question to you, with the
kindest of intentions: Since you posted here that your "wife simply doesn't
have the time to keep looking over his shoulder" and since I assume your
wife will be handling the instruction, is homeschooling a good idea? Mght
/you/ consider doing the homeschooling?

That being said, you could remove any/all Messengers from the machine and
use Content Advisor to restict internet access to all but an approved list
of sites: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=267930.

Net Nanny could prove helpful, too.

Best of luck.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

The problem with that is my wife simply doesn't have /time/ to keep
looking over his shoulder.

Then she clearly doesn't have the time to be home-schooling him, either.


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[Bruce Chambers]

Quite often, yes. And considering the terrifying */CRAP/* going on in
the public school system, it's the /only/ option that is acceptable for
us. I wonder just how many of you know exactly what your children are
being taught.....

Certainly not enough science or mathematics, and too much touchy-feely
"self-esteem" crap.


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[Bruce Chambers]

Please. I am /only/ looking for an answer for a /specific/ question,
not /general/ parenting advice.

<rant>You /don't/ know anything about my situation, and I /don't/
appreciate you sticking your nose in my /personal/ business. I can see
now that I made a /serious/ mistake in simply saying "Any assistance
would be appreciated." I only wanted /technical/ help to set up
accounts that will only run a single program, /not/ a lecture on what
kind of parent /you/ think I should be. Busybodies like yourself are
neither needed nor wanted.</rant>

And you're being completely unrealistic. You need to be aware that
*NO* technical or software solution is fool-proof, and _none_ can ever
adequately take the place of live adult supervision. If you cannot
trust your children to safely/properly use the computer without
supervision, you may have to consider limiting their access to it.


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[PA Bear]

And you're being completely unrealistic. You need to be aware that
*NO* technical or software solution is fool-proof, and _none_ can ever
adequately take the place of live adult supervision. If you cannot
trust your children to safely/properly use the computer without
supervision, you may have to consider limiting their access to it.

<applause>

 

[Barry Watzman]

Well, one view of this is that you are trying to insulate your children
from a "real world" which:

A. Will not go away

and

B. In which your children ***WILL*** have to live, eventually

I don't know your situation, or where you live, or the age of the
childred or the schools, or (I admit) enough to make a decision on this,
but we know people who have home-schooled, and we know that in some
cases they clearly made a huge mistake, not for eductational reasons,
but for social ones.

[Sounds like homeschooling's gonna be a lotta fun, DD.]

Quite often, yes. And considering the terrifying */CRAP/* going on in
the public school system, it's the /only/ option that is acceptable for
us. I wonder just how many of you know exactly what your children are
being taught.....

 

[Dead_Dad]

[Sounds like homeschooling's gonna be a lotta fun, DD.]

Quite often, yes. And considering the terrifying */CRAP/* going on in
the public school system, it's the /only/ option that is acceptable
for us. I wonder just how many of you know exactly what your children
are being taught.....

Well, one view of this is that you are trying to insulate your
children from a "real world" which:

A. Will not go away

and

B. In which your children ***WILL*** have to live, eventually

Yes, they /will/ have to live in it. In many ways I consider this
rather unfortunate, but I'm doing what I can to slow down society's
moral decay.

I don't know your situation, or where you live, or the age of the
children or the schools, or (I admit) enough to make a decision on
this, but we know people who have home-schooled, and we know that in
some cases they clearly made a huge mistake, not for educational
reasons, but for social ones.

What I object to is /not/ the academic work, but the social
indoctrination that goes on. I'm glad I don't live in the US, where, in
some cases, parents are blocked from knowing what their kids are taught
or forbidden from attending their classes to see what is going on.

I was talking to someone a few years ago who told me that her 11 year
old son came home one day and asked her if he was gay. Apparently, some
'homosexual counselling centre' had done a presentation to his class,
and had told the kids that if they weren't interested in the opposite
gender that they might be gay and to have their school counsellor call
the centre and they would send someone over to talk with him/her about
it. Needless to say, she was /furious/. It's one thing to talk to 17
or 18 year olds about 'gender positioning' (or whatever they are calling
it now.), but half the kids in the class hadn't even gone through
/puberty/ yet, so /of course/ they weren't interested in the opposite
gender. That is just /sick/. When she stormed into the school and
complained, they made /her/ out to be the 'bad guy' and basically told
her to take her 'homophobic attitude' elsewhere. There were other
consequences to her non-PC actions, but I can't recall them. What I
/do/ recall is that they ended up moving out of fear for their safety
because of what some of the more militant gays did.

If I am making a 'huge mistake' by knowing and controlling what my kids
are taught, then so be it. They all have friends, both on & offline,
enjoy hobbies, etc., so while they may not be as socially 'up to speed'
as other kids, they seem to be quite well-adjusted. (My oldest son told
me the other day that everyone he chats with on the net thinks that he
is more than twice his age, because no fifteen year old that /they/ know
types in proper English with full punctuation and words of more than two
syllables.<G>)

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