floppy disks

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Can't open several floppy disks i previously stored and
accessed files on, both at home on Windows XP and at work
on Windows NT.....get error message "disk is not
formatted". desperately need the info stored, can anyone
help? Thanks, a
 
This is an inherent problem with opening floppies in XP, as for some unknown
reason, XP has dropped support for three-mode floppy drives.
Try formatting another floppy with XP, copying the original floppy data onto
another non-XP PC, then sending it to the newly-formatted one & try again.
Just because it says "disk is not formatted", doesn't mean it isn't, it just
means XP can't read it.
No-one as yet (AFAIK) has come up with a permanent fix for this.
 
Floppy drive are subject to wear and XP seems to be more
critical in tracking the floppy drive sectors on the disk.
Try several times to read the floppy, insert it and take it
out several times, also while you have the drive select in
Explorer or My Computer, right click and select "refresh"
several times, the wiper arm may detect and read the data,
if it does copy it to your hard drive.

If that doesn't work I would suggest you spend $10-20 and
buy a new drive.


message | Can't open several floppy disks i previously stored and
| accessed files on, both at home on Windows XP and at work
| on Windows NT.....get error message "disk is not
| formatted". desperately need the info stored, can anyone
| help? Thanks, a
 
This fix works for the know floppy problem, it's hard to read cause I sniped
it. I have use the procedure on several systems and works every time. The
fix is tords the bottom as the link to the 3mode drivers.

At our school we are having all the floppy problems mentioned in this NG.The
only one that is 100% reproducable is this: take a floppy, format it
inWin9x, and put files on it. Stick it in an XP PC and select "Copy
Disk"from the A: drive context menu. We get errors nearly 100% of the time.
Ifound the following fix
at:http://discuss.extremetech.com/n/mb/display.asp?webtag=extremetech&msg=21
301.1 posted by someone called cluberti. The drivers he mentions work,
butthey leave a phantom B: 5.25 drive that needs to be
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----------------------------------I looked at everything I could find, and
everything technically SHOULD bethe same in the way Windows 98 and Windows
XP format and access floppydiskettes (FAT12, 512bytes/sector, etc). And
what did I find? As usual,things have changed (and you wouldn't know it
unless you dug deep). Thefollowing is what I found (and how I fixed it -
get this information OUTTHERE): After beating my head against the wall for a
few weeks and polling everyoneI knew personally that was running Windows XP,
I found that quite a few ofus had this problem - format and/or use a floppy
in XP, it doesn't work inWin98 (and sometimes Windows 2000 too). Format
and/or use a floppy inWindows 95, 98, ME, NT, or 2000, it no longer works in
XP (even if it workedbefore). It seemed that the brand name PC's had this
problem lessfrequently than a white box machine, but they were not immune
either -especially Compaq PC's. So, I dug around google groups for a while,
andfound LOTS of people complaining of this particular problem. However,
quitea few searches on Microsoft's site about floppies, corruption, and
WindowsXP turned up absolutely nothing of value. After LOTS of digging, I
did find this interesting Microsoft Q
article(http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q309623)
that I hadoriginally perused and thought of no use. I read it again, very
CAREFULLY,and read it over a few times more to make sure what I was reading
was reallythere. If you're interested, read it in all it's glory on the
Microsoftsite and be amazed - then come back (open a new tab or window! :O)
here forthe fix. For those of you not inclined to visit Microsoft.com (and
you know who youare ;O), here's the interesting tidbit (and the root of the
problem): "Windows XP supports formatting only the 1.44MB disk format.
Three-modefloppy drives (drives that are capable of reading/writing with
720KB, 1.2MBand 1.44MB 3.5" disks) requires special driver support, and
support for thisfeature is not included in Windows XP. Some 3mode FD drivers
may be installed on PCs with Windows XP by OEMs,although Microsoft does not
provide the end-user support for 3mode drivers.Please contact your OEM
(Original Equipment Manufacturer) if you have anyquestions on 3mode
drivers." Why did they remove something that every other version of Windows
has? Idon't know either. Nonetheless, support is gone in the Microsoft
floppydriver for Windows XP. Now, I have two white box PC's - one with a
Mitsumi floppy and one with aSony floppy disk drive. Both drives support
reading/writing/formatting of720K, 1.2MB and 1.44MB floppies (hence "3mode"
floppy). Notice in the Qarticle that if the drive supports formatting of
anything more than 1.44MBfloppies, it isn't supported! Since *most* floppy
disk drives from Japanesevendors (Sony, Mitsumi, etc) are 3 mode, does this
mean a lot of people willbe in the same boat? It appears so. It so happens
that my 2 machines were running Windows XP Pro - as previouslystated, one
has a Mitsumi floppy, and one has a Sony floppy. Both were quadbooting,
running Debian Linux (Woody), Windows 98 SE, Windows 2000 (one hasSP2, one
has SP3), and Windows XP Professional (one has SP1, one does not).Both PC's
were basically identical in software loads, and both PC's had thesame
problem; XP wouldn't read a floppy diskette formatted in Linux orWin98, and
Linux and Win98 were running ON THE SAME MACHINE. I could formatthe floppy
to 1.44MB in Windows XP, but then I couldn't read it in Win98(Linux would
read the floppy); swapping formatted floppies amongst machinesproduced the
same results. This meant that it wasn't a hardware problem, itwas an XP
problem - more specifically, a driver problem. So I went looking for a 3mode
floppy driver. First, I tried the Windows2000 stock floppy driver. No go.
I tried the Windows ME floppy driver.Again, no go. I tried the Windows 98
floppy driver. Nada. It took me a day or two more, but I found one at
http://www.viaarena.com.This driver is for Windows XP Embedded, but works
just fine in Windows XP.I had to force the driver in (Windows XP wouldn't
take it using the normaldriver update process), but I now have no problems
with my floppy drive. Isuggest you download this before they pull it in
violation of the DMCA orsomething ;O) Here's the link to the
driver:http://downloads.viaarena.com/WinXPE/Oct02/XPe_3mflp132_v10.zip And
here are the steps necessary to install it (make sure there isn't afloppy
disk in the drive!): 1. Download driver. 2. Unzip the driver somewhere (I
keep all of my drivers inC:\Drivers\<Driver>, so I extracted it to
C:\Drivers\3mode). 3. Open Windows XP's Device Manager, expand the "Floppy
disk controllers"heading, and double-click the listing for "Standard floppy
disk controller". 4. Click the "Driver" tab, then click the "Update Driver"
button. 5. Select the "Install from a list or specific location" radio
button andclick the "Next" button. 6. Select the "Don't search. I will
choose the driver to install." radiobutton and click the "Next" button. 7.
Click the "Have Disk" button; then, click the "Browse" button. Browse tothe
location that you extracted the files to in step 2 and double click
the"VIA3MFPY.INF" file. Then, click the "OK" button. 8. You should now have
"VIA 3-mode floppy controller" highlighted in thedrivers list. Click the
"Next" button to begin the driver file copy. Oncethe file copy is complete,
your floppy disk drive will access 3 times(checking all 3 "modes"). This is
normal. Click the "Finish" button whenthe driver installation is complete.
9a. You may, or may not, have a device labeled "Unknown Device" in the"Other
Devices" heading in Device Manager. If so, continue with step 9a.If not,
skip to step 9b. If you have a device labeled "Unknown Device" inthe "Other
Devices" heading in Device Manager, right-click on it and select"Update
Driver". Follow steps 5 through 8 to complete the installation of"Floppy
disk drive" (note that the naming of the driver in the drivers listin step 8
may be different during this step - this is normal). Once you'veclicked the
"Finish" button, continue on to step 10. 9b. If you do not have a device
labeled "Unknown Device" in the "OtherDevices" heading in Device Manager,
expand the "Floppy disk drives" headingin Device Manager and double-click
the listing for "Floppy disk drive".Follow steps 4 through 8 to complete the
installation of "Floppy disk drive"(note that the naming of the driver in
the drivers list in step 8 may bedifferent during this step - this is
normal). Once you've clicked the"Finish" button, continue on to step 10.
10. Reboot your PC. This should let you know if all of your hard workREALLY
paid off. Check the Device Manager one last time to be sure that younow
have the "VIA 3-mode floppy controller listed under the "Floppy
diskcontrollers" heading. Put a file on a floppy in Win98 (or another
non-XPOS) and you should now be able to access it in Windows XP (and
vice-versa)without issue. You made it! Pass this
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Yep, I tried the self-same fix, but had no success to date - perhaps I'd
better read it more carefully.
 
Hi John, it the procedure go correct, you should have in the device manager
under floppy drive, it should now say via 3 mode driver, and under floppy
controller should also say the same. Might not work for all systems, who
knows. I used on Compaq and hp and several home builds. Later on.
 
Right, I'll try again.

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johnf
Hi John, it the procedure go correct, you should have in the device
manager under floppy drive, it should now say via 3 mode driver, and
under floppy controller should also say the same. Might not work for
all systems, who knows. I used on Compaq and hp and several home
builds. Later on.



at:http://discuss.extremetech.com/n/mb/display.asp?webtag=extremetech&msg=21
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Haven't tried it yet, but thanks so much for letting me
know i wasn't just retarded....you may have just saved my
thesis :-)
 
Thanks, that worked as a quick fix....gonna try the
detailed one in the other message when i get time, but
you got me going tonight....
 
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