All of you MVP's have something to worry about! (-:

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That's GREAT.Congrats Arfa Karim Randhawa.
And thanks for this information.

regards,
ssg MS-MVP
 
And they say kids are not smart. Amazing achievment. Thanks for sharing this
link. I printed it out and I am going to give them to my kids as an example
what can be achieved by not watching TV and Playing Games.<s>
 
Hi Peter,

I hear that! As an example, if my boys would have been tested on Halo or
Halo2 moves (?) instead of the Iowa/Leap test, I would not be replying to
your post.

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All the Best,
Kelly (MS-MVP)

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
 
Again, thanks for sharing this Richard. This article should be posted in
classrooms all over the uS. What an inspiration this girl is to many of our
youth. I wonder if Bill Gates has seen this article ? If not he should.

Redwagon.........(Now that's who I would like to talk to should I have the
need to call Microsoft for some technical help !)
 
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2005/may05/05-02YoungMCP.asp
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kind of makes you wonder about the validity of the certification if a 9
y/o kid can get a MCSE without any real-world work experience.

I have yet to find a MCSE that was a paper-MCSE that was worth hiring. On
the other had I've also found several MCSD's that didn't know about named
ranges in Excel.

Don't get me wrong, it's a great thing that she passed the test, but, with
little experience to back it, and apparently doing cram sessions, it
really calls into question the merit/validity of the
testing/certification.
 
Leythos said:
kind of makes you wonder about the validity of the certification if a 9
y/o kid can get a MCSE without any real-world work experience.

I have yet to find a MCSE that was a paper-MCSE that was worth hiring. On
the other had I've also found several MCSD's that didn't know about named
ranges in Excel.

Don't get me wrong, it's a great thing that she passed the test, but, with
little experience to back it, and apparently doing cram sessions, it
really calls into question the merit/validity of the
testing/certification.
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It's an MCP not MCSE.

Cheers,

Cliff
 
REDWAGON said:
Again, thanks for sharing this Richard. This article should be posted in
classrooms all over the uS. What an inspiration this girl is to many of our
youth. I wonder if Bill Gates has seen this article ? If not he should.
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It's gone!! I wonder why?

Cheers,

Cliff
 
Yes, the article is gone. It was on the Microsoft web page called Press
Pass - Information for journalists. I guess it was moved to make way for
newer material. I wish I had saved the page locally...........

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Regards,

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
It's an MCP not MCSE.
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I appreciate the correction, and I knowing that a MCP requires only one
passing test, it would still reason that passing a test with little
real-world experience, by a text book learner, would indicate that the
test only indicates that one knows the Microsoft "way" of answering tests
and not the real-world setup/use of systems.

I always tell my teams that there is "The Microsoft Way, the Right Way,
and the Wrong Way, and that sometimes the Microsoft Way and the Right Way
are the same".
 
Humm, scratch going to college.
kind of makes you wonder about the validity of the certification if a 9
y/o kid can get a MCSE without any real-world work experience.

I have yet to find a MCSE that was a paper-MCSE that was worth hiring. On
the other had I've also found several MCSD's that didn't know about named
ranges in Excel.

Don't get me wrong, it's a great thing that she passed the test, but, with
little experience to back it, and apparently doing cram sessions, it
really calls into question the merit/validity of the
testing/certification.
Click to expand...
 
Humm, scratch going to college.
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Nah, it just proves that you know how to learn in a structured
environment. I've hired many grads and many MCSE's that I later fired for
being incompetent or not having any drive/common sense.

The MS certifications, in my experience, indicates little in the area of
being able to competently build/design anything. When we hire new
technicians, DBA's, programmers, etc... we give them a basic test that
doesn't include anything found in books, it's a real-world test. While the
test is only 25 questions, it's very telling of who knows what and what
experience they have. I've only had a few MCSE's pass it, and with their
backgrounds the MCSE didn't really mean anything.

Don't get me wrong, education is good, but it's only good if it's
applicable to the real-world.
 
It's not really a certification of competency. I used to sit next to a
Senior IT lead - who had attended many of those "Pass - or don't
pay" seminars. He had every designation you could add behind
his name. I must have answered thousand of basic/core questions
for him that he didn't have clue about. Or the IBM Global Services
"Engineer" who set up servers and didn't know how to terminate
a SCSI bus or what Disk defragmentation was. The list is endless,
and partly accounts for why I don't believe this out-sourcing is the
panacea that companies claim it is.

I suppose it's really a case of knowledge learned verses knowledge
applied.
 
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