Want to install my old hard drive on my new pc

M

magoo2u

My brother is sending me his pc. It has Win XP installed as it's
operating system. It also has a slot for a secondary IDE. I am
currently using a pc with Win 98. And was wondering what the step by
steps are on installing my old hard drive on the newer pc? Does the
operating system have to be installed? Please be as specific as
possible.
Oh and he did reformat the drive for me, also.

Thanx in advance,

Deb
 
O

old jon

magoo2u said:
My brother is sending me his pc. It has Win XP installed as it's
operating system. It also has a slot for a secondary IDE. I am
currently using a pc with Win 98. And was wondering what the step by
steps are on installing my old hard drive on the newer pc? Does the
operating system have to be installed? Please be as specific as
possible.
Oh and he did reformat the drive for me, also.
Thanx in advance,
More info please. `He did reformat the drive for me`. Which drive ?
His PC has winXP on. Is that the only drive in the PC ?. Did you just want
to access your 98 drive to get the stuff off it ?. Were you hoping to keep
your 98 system, as well as have XP ?. Lots of ???.
best wishes...J
 
J

jim dorey

My brother is sending me his pc. It has Win XP installed as it's
operating system. It also has a slot for a secondary IDE. I am
currently using a pc with Win 98. And was wondering what the step by
steps are on installing my old hard drive on the newer pc? Does the
operating system have to be installed? Please be as specific as
possible.
Oh and he did reformat the drive for me, also.

Thanx in advance,

Deb

if you are adding the drive, using the original disk to run the os on,
then you need to partition as a FAT32 disk, probably already done, but
verification would help. just throw it in and connect it as a slave
drive, some people prefer master on the second drive controller, but it's
often not needed.
if you want to use this new one for the os disk, you'll have to install
an os. depending on how you want to do it it can be easy or hard, if you
installed your current os a long time ago it may be full of crud, like
virus', spyware, broken links, registry garbage, anything, if it's
relatively fresh you can do things differently.
for an old install, just install fresh on your new drive and copy your
data over.
for a recent install, you put the drive in as master, boot from the
windows cd to command prompt, use fdisk to set the boot flag, then format
/s, it'll copy the bare minimum dos programs. slide in the old one as
slave(switch the jumpers in back), copy everything to the new drive, then
reboot.
it should work, but i make no guarantees, cause i'm stupid, and i have
heartburn, so i'm not really paying attention to your problem.
 
M

magoo2u

1 tsp. baking soda in a glass of water, Jim ;0)

Well here's the thing, I'd love to install the old drive as slave.
Then I wanted to put all the stuff I wanna save on disks ( about 10
gigs worth ). As the newer system has a burner. Then remove the
drive, reformat on my old pc. And if possible install it on the XP
system for the extra 15 gigs of space. As I asked previously would I
have to also load the WIN98 operating system if I did this? Can this
be done? Bare with me. I need the step by step version. Thanx for
your responses.

Deb
 
J

John McGaw

magoo2u wrote:
snip...
system for the extra 15 gigs of space. As I asked previously would I
have to also load the WIN98 operating system if I did this? Can this
be done? Bare with me. I need the step by step version. Thanx for
your responses.

Deb
If the "new" computer has XP installed on its main drive all you should
need to do is install your "old W98" drive as 1) a slave to the main
drive or 2) a slave to the CD drive (which will normally be master on
the secondary IDE channel) or 3) as the master on the secondary channel
if the CD isn't already so configured. XP will happily read and write
data in the old-style FAT file system which is what W98 understands. XP
will even let you format the "old" drive in the FAT file system if you
desire to do so or you can simply put it back in the "old" system and
format it there.
 
J

jim dorey

1 tsp. baking soda in a glass of water, Jim ;0)

Well here's the thing, I'd love to install the old drive as slave.
Then I wanted to put all the stuff I wanna save on disks ( about 10
gigs worth ). As the newer system has a burner. Then remove the
drive, reformat on my old pc. And if possible install it on the XP
system for the extra 15 gigs of space. As I asked previously would I
have to also load the WIN98 operating system if I did this? Can this
be done? Bare with me. I need the step by step version. Thanx for
your responses.

Deb

xp won't care what's on the disk, if it's a file system it can
access(ntfs, fat), it'll work, no os on the second. just set jumpers to
slave and fire it in.
 
D

DaveW

If you install a harddrive containing XP into a different computer, then,
due to the presence of a different motherboard, you must reformat the
harddrive to erase XP and then do a FRESH install of XP. Otherwise you will
suffer ongoing nasty Registry errors and data corruption.
 
K

kony

If you install a harddrive containing XP into a different computer,

You MUST mean instead, "If you install a hard drive with the
intention of running that installation of XP on the new
computer". Problem is, even then you'd be wrong based on
what followed.

then,
due to the presence of a different motherboard, you must reformat the
harddrive to erase XP and then do a FRESH install of XP.

Not true. Formatting is a worst-case scenario, and
certainly the least desirable if another will work (and user
is capable).

Otherwise you will

Not have needlessly erased all your data?

Have your home possessed by the Ghost of Bill Gates past?

Become a short green Tree Gnome?
suffer ongoing nasty Registry errors

If WInXP is THAT flawed, who in their right mind would run
it?

and data corruption.

Any proof of this?
Any links?
Pictures?
Cave Drawings?

If you'd spent half as much time learing how to do it as
posting that "must... nasty" crap, you'd know better by now.
 
S

Shep©

On 21 May 2005 15:31:17 -0400 If I have seen farther it is because I
have stood on the shoulder of giants
My brother is sending me his pc. It has Win XP installed as it's
operating system. It also has a slot for a secondary IDE. I am
currently using a pc with Win 98. And was wondering what the step by
steps are on installing my old hard drive on the newer pc? Does the
operating system have to be installed? Please be as specific as
possible.
Oh and he did reformat the drive for me, also.

Thanx in advance,

Deb

Just plug your old hard drive in to the new system as a slave or
master it won't matter.WinXP will see it but not load Win98.You will
be able to access all your old files off your old drive in WinXP.

If you wish to install win98 on your Bro's PC then that's a different
game.

HTH :)
 
P

Pelysma

magoo2u said:
My brother is sending me his pc. It has Win XP installed as its
operating system. It also has a slot for a secondary IDE. I am
currently using a pc with Win 98. And was wondering what the step by
steps are on installing my old hard drive on the newer pc? Does the
operating system have to be installed? Please be as specific as
possible.
Oh and he did reformat the drive for me, also.
Clarify this please. If he reformatted the drive, did he also reinstall XP?
Reformatting a drive removes the operating system and everything else from
it. If he hasn't reinstalled XP, then you will either have to do so, or use
the installation of W98 that is on your existing drive. When you move the
drive from your computer to his, you will move W98 with it.

(This may or may not be completely legal, but it won't be a problem in W98
because Microsoft doesn't care about W98 anymore; if one copy of Win XP is
installed on two computers at the same time, that will create a licensing
and activation problem for you.)

There will be a few differences in the following instructions depending on
whether you are using Windows XP already installed on your brother's drive,
or Windows 98 on the drive you are transplanting.

Leave your brother's drive in place and look it over thoroughly. You will
be installing the W98 drive in exactly the same way in another drive bay,
using three or four screws, except that you will need to pay attention to
jumpers and cables. If you know about these, skip the next paragraph; I'm
not trying to condescend, just to be thorough. Whatever you do, don't let
it scare you: You can do this!

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : [oooo]
40 IDE Cable 1 ^ jmprs ^power

If you are not familiar with jumpers, they are a double row of pins, usually
next to the power socket on the drive, commonly three to five pairs, like
this: : : : : : Either some of the pairs of pins will be labeled MA,
SL, and CS, or there will be a diagram on the label of the drive to tell how
to set it. You set them by slipping a "shunt" -- a little plastic block
with copper inside -- over one or more pairs of pins. Most computers will
be perfectly happy if all the jumpers are set to CS (Cable Select) which
means that the drive on the end will be MAster and the one in the middle
will be SLave. However, you can override the cable position by setting one
drive to MAster and the other to SLave. What you cannot have is two drives
on the same cable both set to MA or both set to SL. Either one must be set
to MA and the other to SL, or both must be CS. ( Often a drive doesn't
even need a shunt if it's the only one on the cable.)

There may be one cable or two in your brother's computer. If there is one,
as it would seem from your question, the hard drive and CD burner will be
on the two connectors on the cable. If there are two cables, they may be
single-ended. You must have at least one double-ended cable, so if you
don't have at least three loose cable ends, you'll need to get a different
cable. You can probably use the one from your W98 computer, if it has a
double-ended one. It's not a bad idea to go buy a new cable for about $8.

Now here's a stupid detail that might matter. If the ribbon cable in your
brother's computer has a finer texture than yours, and a blue connector on
the motherboard, then his drive MUST be on that cable (or one like it; it
has 80 wires instead of 40 fatter ones). If they look exactly the same, it
probably doesn't matter. I would put the two hard drives on one cable and
the CD burner on the other.

On your motherboard there are two 40-pin IDE connectors. They should be
labeled Primary and Secondary, or IDE 1 and IDE 2, or sometimes IDE 0 and 1.
If they are numbered IDE 0 and IDE 1, zero is the Primary. The cable with
the hard disk drives on it should be plugged into the Primary (some people
will disagree with me on this, it's just the conventional way). The cables
are probably keyed, either by a missing pin, or by a stud on the plastic
connector, or both, so they won't fit well backwards; in any case, be sure
the colored edge is at Pin 1/2, not at Pin 39/40.

Now: If your brother reinstalled Win XP and that's what you want to use,
set your brother's drive to MA and your W98 one to SL. If your brother
simply formatted the disk and erased Win XP, it's a blank disk; set your W98
drive to MA and your brother's drive to SL.

Be sure each drive has a ribbon cable connector, that the ribbon cable is
plugged in firmly to each drive with the colored wire edge toward the power
connector, and that each drive is connected to a power pigtail. Then put
your cover back on and fire up the computer. Watch closely as it starts.
You're looking for something like "Press F2 for Setup", "F10 = Setup", or
"Press Del if you want to run Setup." You want to run Setup, so do what it
says.

In Setup, you are looking for IDE configuration. You want to make sure both
IDE channels are enabled and the ones in use are set to "Auto", and if you
can find an "Auto Detect" or "Detect IDE" selection, use it. (The ones in
use will probably be Primary Master, Primary Slave, and Secondary Master.
Secondary Slave can be set to "Not Installed.")

Once the computer sees all your drives, save and exit Setup (instructions
will be at the bottom of the screen) and let the computer start.

If you've done it all correctly, the OS will start up and you will see a
series of dialogs that say "Windows has found new hardware" -- especially if
you're using W98, since it expects your old computer's parts. You will need
the Windows installation CD, and you might have to help it find stuff.
When it's all hummy and blinky and happy, open My Computer, identify the
hard drives, and see if you can read the one that's not C.

If you're in Windows 98, and you can see but can't read the other disk, you
may have to format it again. Windows can do this for you. But first be
sure you don't want to keep, or don't have, Windows XP installed there. If
you do, there's a better choice called Dual Boot. But I've written a book
already and that's another chapter at least. Ask that question -- or any
others -- when you get that far.

Hope this helps,
P.
 
B

Bob

If WInXP is THAT flawed, who in their right mind would run
it?

That's one of those existential questions.

To get an insight as to the possible answer, read Albert Camus' "The
Myth of Sisyphus". Learn about such concepts as "absurdity" and
"lucidity". They are necessary to understand XP.

Did you know that XP stands for Experimental Program. Yep.


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http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/vrwc.html

If you can read this, thank a teacher.
If you are reading it in English, thank an American soldier.
 
B

Bob

If you install a harddrive containing XP into a different computer, then,
due to the presence of a different motherboard, you must reformat the
harddrive to erase XP and then do a FRESH install of XP. Otherwise you will
suffer ongoing nasty Registry errors and data corruption.

Please don't top post - it is the sign of a newbie.

Here's what you do:

1) Take the HD from the old machine and put it in the new machine as
the boot device (IDE Primary Master). Or you can clone it onto an new
disk. If you are building a new machine, then you should be using a
new disk anyway, so you will have to clone the old one. Your disk
manufacturer has cloning utilities. The new disk doesn't have to be
bootable because Windows rebuilds the MBR.

2) Run the XP installation disk in the CD reader.

3) I am not an XP type but I do know that Win2K has a so-called
"In-Place Upgrade" (IPU) on the installation CD which converts all the
drivers, profiles, Registry settings, etc into the new configuration,
hopefully without losing anything. At worst you might lose your
profiles but they can be imported with another Windows utility hidden
under CP->System IIRC.

I just did an IPU on my new machine. First I laid off the old disk
onto a new disk. Then I did the IPU. Bingo! Win2K properly comnfigured
for my new machine and all my old stuff preserved exactly as I had it
on the old machine.

I am told that XP has a method for importing Files and Settings. IOW,
you build a new XP on a new disk and then import the old stuff. It's
sorta like an IPU only in two steps.

To do an IPU, you must have everything on the boot disk, especially
the operating system. There is no importing involved.

Look all this up in the MS KB before you strike out. I can only
comment from experience about Win2K.


--

Map of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/vrwc.html

If you can read this, thank a teacher.
If you are reading it in English, thank an American soldier.
 
M

magoo2u

ok. Lots of info there. Thanks guys. Both my brothers xp system and my
win98 systems are FAT32.There is a way, (my brother tells me) to
connect a second hard drive So from what you're saying, here's what I
gather. Set the second (old win98) hard drive as slave. Fire it up and
I won't have to lose any files, nor will I have to load the win98 os.
Right?

Deb
 
P

Pelysma

magoo2u said:
ok. Lots of info there. Thanks guys. Both my brothers xp system and my
win98 systems are FAT32.There is a way, (my brother tells me) to
connect a second hard drive So from what you're saying, here's what I
gather. Set the second (old win98) hard drive as slave. Fire it up and
I won't have to lose any files, nor will I have to load the win98 os.
Right?

Deb

Assuming Windows XP is already installed on your brother's computer, that's
exactly right. From what you were saying, you plan to remove the W98 drive
again afterward. You should be able to copy or move your data files from it
and return it to the other computer unchanged (except, of course, for moving
the jumper back).
 
K

kony

On 23 May 2005 21:31:50 -0400,
ok. Lots of info there. Thanks guys. Both my brothers xp system and my
win98 systems are FAT32.There is a way, (my brother tells me) to
connect a second hard drive So from what you're saying, here's what I
gather. Set the second (old win98) hard drive as slave. Fire it up and
I won't have to lose any files, nor will I have to load the win98 os.
Right?

Deb

Yes.
It does not matter what OS was installed on the old hard
drive, only that it uses a filesystem that WinXP supports.
WinXP does support FAT32 so you simply hook the drive up in
the new system ignoring what's on it, and in XP the files
will be available.
 
M

magoo2u

ok, Great. Now does anyone know of a website with detailed info with
pictures on installing that secong hard drive? I think I've got it,
but I'd like pictures so I don't screw it up
 
K

kony

On 24 May 2005 11:32:01 -0400,
ok, Great. Now does anyone know of a website with detailed info with
pictures on installing that secong hard drive? I think I've got it,
but I'd like pictures so I don't screw it up


Isn't much to it, open the box and find an available bay
with enough room around the top and bottom so that the drive
gets some airflow for cooling. More important for long term
use than just a quick copy off of data.

Pictures won't help a lot given your case will be unique,
all they'd do is show it being slid into a bay and 4 screws
securing it, plus moving the jumper as appropriate for
single, master, slave, or cable select... whichever applies,
single is obvious enough but master or slave will be
determined by the cable position, the end opposite the
motherboard should be master.
 
J

John

magoo2u said:
My brother is sending me his pc. It has Win XP installed as it's
operating system. It also has a slot for a secondary IDE. I am
currently using a pc with Win 98. And was wondering what the step by
steps are on installing my old hard drive on the newer pc? Does the
operating system have to be installed? Please be as specific as
possible.
Oh and he did reformat the drive for me, also.

Thanx in advance,

Deb

The new comp from your brother was reformatted and then *afterward* XP
was (re-)installed? Be sure you get the XP disk, activation key and all
passwords. If this is the case then just connect it as a slave, boot XP
and assign a drive letter to the old disk via XP's DiskManagement
utility. Hopefully an active partition on the old drive won't confuse
things.


John
 

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