Thee clean re-instals and still one major problem ... need some 'expert' advice please

[Jimmy Brush]

NTFS does not mess with FAT32 and vice versa.

They are seperated cleanly at a very, very low level in Windows.

- JB

 

[Clark]

Why don't you tell how your drives are configured? IDE, or SATA which one
is master or are you using cable select with the 80 pin cable, etc.

Clark

 

[Jimmy Brush]

If windows vista notices something wrong with your hard disks or if it is
having trouble writing data, it will log it in the event log.

Start -> Control Panel -> System and Maintenance -> Administrative Tools ->
Event Viewer

Expand Windows Logs, then System, and look for the source to be NTFS or
something related to hard disks, and see if you have any errors.

I can only speculate as to the problem at this point; could be a hardware
error, a bug in the device driver that controls your hard disk, or hardware
malfunction are my guesses.

- JB

 

[Kerry Brown]

Apparently in all your troubles your clock somehow got set to the wrong
date.

 

[GeoffP]

Nothing on Event Logs for this installation so far despite the fact that I
have had the error reported a couple of times, but on previous instals NTFS
was reporting some File/Index recovery/repair but only a fraction of those
when running chkdsk.

I suspect a hardware problem (possibly with the Motherboard controller) but
I have now checked all possibilities on the drives themselves and the
connections. I will see what the event log says the next time it happens as
no doubt it will.

Thanks for your suggestions

GeoffP

 

[Recycle Ben]

Apparently in all your troubles your clock somehow got set to the wrong

date.

I don't think it's that. I think it's the old 'I'm better than everyone else
and I want to stay at the top of the list until my question is answered.'
They set their clocks ahead purposely. It happens too often. I wish no one
would answer them.

 

[Kerry Brown]

I don't think it's that. I think it's the old 'I'm better than everyone
else and I want to stay at the top of the list until my question is
answered.' They set their clocks ahead purposely. It happens too often. I
wish no one would answer them.

See the thread on sarcasm. I know why the clock was set wrong

 

[GeoffP]

I don't think it's that. I think it's the old 'I'm better than everyone
else and I want to stay at the top of the list until my question is
answered.' They set their clocks ahead purposely. It happens too often. I
wish no one would answer them.

Sorry, hate to spoil your day, but you are very wrong there, until Kerry
brought the matter up (Thank you Kerry) I wasn't even aware of the change of
date (see my other posts in this and other groups - made on the correct
date). Looking at the Vista event viewer for reasons elsewhere in this
thread, the date was changed during the latest installation of Vista late
yesterday. Before you start flaming, I suggest you make sure of your facts!

GeoffP

 

[GeoffP]

Shortly after reading through these groups I had just started installing
Office Beta, when as predicted, the 'Corrupt Disk' Message appeared. Kicked
me out of the installation, wouldn't let me into Windows Mail, nor Admin
Settings to check the event log.

Ran CHKDSK from XP Disk Manager with 60 index entries being deleted and the
recovery of three orphaned files. Went back to Vista and event viewer
reports 105 NTFS error messages (Event ID: 55) in the space of 90 minutes.
No hardware errors were reported and nothing else that looked to be related.

Cannot find anything on Event ID:55 on MS Site so not sure where to go from
here.

GeoffP

PS: Apologies to anyone who thought I was trying to 'queue jump' with the
wrong system date, it was not intentional and appeared to have happened
during the course of the latest installation of Vista last night.

 

[Jimmy Brush]

Here's info on that error:

http://www.eventid.net/display.asp?eventid=55&source=Ntfs

Basically it says that internal file system structures are out of whack.
This is very bad.

The most likely causes for this would be hardware malfunction or a bug in a
device driver (most likely the hard drive device driver, but possibly in
ntfs itself).

Since you don't have this problem on Windows XP, and you have had this
problem on Vista in 3 different partitions, I find it hard to believe it is
a hardware problem. However, here are some comments I've seen from people on
the internet:

1) try moving your pagefile to another hard drive / partition
2) test your RAM to make sure it is OK
3) Make sure your computer is not overheating

You should file a bug report using the feedback reporting tool (you can
download that from the feedback icon on your desktop).

Using that tool will send your event logs to Microsoft so perhaps they can
figure out what's going on.

- JB

 

[Clark]

I am certainly not an expert here, but I would probably try removing the
other controller and try running the system without it for a while. If the
errors stop, then you know what might be upsetting the system. If you don't
want to remove it, maybe moving it to another PCI slot.

Clark

 

[Jon Abbott]

Have clean installed x86 three times now on different partitions/hard disks.
I appear to be one of the 'lucky' ones as on each occasion everything has
worked just as it should (printer, network, scanner, internet) but have
persistent 'corrupt disk/file' after running Vista after each installation
and in the process of running chkdsk as advised I am losing files (some
critical some not so critical).

You aren't the only one. I've seen corruption on the odd occasion as well, in
fact I posted a few weeks ago that a critical system file was corrupt. On that
occasion, checking the disk in XP resulted in quite a few corrupt files and
tables being reported.

Jon

 

[GeoffP]

Done the first two and am trying to find a Motherboard Monitor that will
work with Vista to check temps. I've just recovered from another Corrupt
Disk 'bashing' (second in 5 hours) with a CHKDSK report of nearly three A4
pages and an Event Log of over 150 errors (and thats after checking the
memory and moving pagefile.sys to its own partition). So the system
temperature (this is a possibility as my system has always run warmer than I
would like, but nowhere near the limits) is all that I can think apart from
a problem with NTFS or of course (says he belatedly), a bad ISO image of the
Vista Beta 2 setup DVD. I can't see that though with everything working so
well.

Have posted a 'bug' report to MS (with all the damning evidence), but won't
hold my breath for a response.

GeoffP

 

[GeoffP]

You aren't the only one. I've seen corruption on the odd occasion as
well, in
fact I posted a few weeks ago that a critical system file was corrupt. On
that
occasion, checking the disk in XP resulted in quite a few corrupt files
and
tables being reported.

Jon

Sorry, but must have missed your post, I won't say that I'm pleased that
someone else is suffering but it is nice to know that I'm not on my own. My
major concern is this isn't an occasional thing, I've had two 'bashing' in
the past five hours, the latest produced a 3 page CHKDSK report. I want to
use and test this thing out but with the risk of loss of software and driver
files (in particular my anti-virus and WinMail files, which appear to suffer
the most), I just can't risk doing much other than a quick look at these
newsgroups.


GeoffP

 

[GeoffP]

I am certainly not an expert here, but I would probably try removing the
other controller and try running the system without it for a while. If the
errors stop, then you know what might be upsetting the system. If you
don't want to remove it, maybe moving it to another PCI slot.

Clark

Did that for Instal No 2 (took it out completely), but made no difference.
There was someone on the hardware group, who has the same card (and driver
version) and to date he hasn't reported any problems. So still looking for
solutions.

GeoffP

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Is the BIOS up to date?

Sorry, but must have missed your post, I won't say that I'm pleased that
someone else is suffering but it is nice to know that I'm not on my own.
My major concern is this isn't an occasional thing, I've had two 'bashing'
in the past five hours, the latest produced a 3 page CHKDSK report. I want
to use and test this thing out but with the risk of loss of software and
driver files (in particular my anti-virus and WinMail files, which appear
to suffer the most), I just can't risk doing much other than a quick look
at these newsgroups.


GeoffP

 

[GeoffP]

Is the BIOS up to date?

Hadn't thought about that one, but on checking yes it is. But do wonder
about the VIA chipset drivers supplied by Microsoft as there does seem to be
a few problems with the nVidia nForce & Intel chipsets, but nothing that I
have seen relating to VIA

GeoffP

 

[Kerry Brown]

I hate to say it but I thought the same thing. Some people do change their
date so their posts stay at the top of the list if you sort by date. It's a
pain in the a%&.

 

[GeoffP]

Yup, I've been around Usenet for longer than I can care to remember
(including setting up a uk. newgroup) and know most of the tricks used but
that wasn't intended to be one of them. I still can't figure out how it
managed to get changed during the install as it definitely wasn't at the
setting date and time stage. Hopefully no harm done apart from a short
'flame' and I've experienced a lot worse for a lot less,

GeoffP

I hate to say it but I thought the same thing. Some people do change their
date so their posts stay at the top of the list if you sort by date. It's a
pain in the a%&.

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[Jimmy Brush]

I still can't figure out how it managed to get changed during the install

as it definitely wasn't at the setting date and time stage.

Actually ... it probably was.

There's a bug in Vista where when you select your timezone during install,
it changes your time.

- JB