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Arno
Mike Tomlinson said:
Likely the usual combination of greed and stupidity.
Not everybody suffers from that, foe example AMD in Dresden
built on a hill for exactly the same reason.
Arno
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Likely the usual combination of greed and stupidity.
Not everybody suffers from that, foe example AMD in Dresden
built on a hill for exactly the same reason.
Arno
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shawn
Thing is, they knew they were building on a flood plain. Why didn't
they put the buildings on stilts? it wouldn't have added that much to
the cost. Very strange.
I think I read that this was a once in a 100 year flood. If that's the
case then it's a reasonable decision to not worry about that since
most companies are focused on this quarter's revenues and what profit
they can report to the shareholders. Worrying about something that
might happen in the next hundred years isn't something that a CEO will
get rewarded for.
G
GMAN
Basically: "... we have no clue ... we have no information ...
things may not work...".
A non-statement mixed with FUD.
Chances are it will work fine.
There is another power issue though, and that one is real:
Power management. If the drive stops several times a minute,
it will die within months. There is a WD utility to turn
power-management off, as it seems normal ATA commands do not
work. And indeed, I missed that on the first disk I removed
from an USB enclosure (500GB WD AADS) and only caught it when
the disk was at 200'000 load cycles. For the second one
(WD 1TB EAVS) I fixed that immediately and never had any
issues. Both drives are in my main machine at this very
moment.
The utility is apparently not advertized for the EAVS (somebody
here posted a very helpful link, don't remember who it was, thanks
again!). The file is wdidle3_1_05.zip and google finds it here:
http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?groupid=609&sid=113
If you treat your disk with that, there should be no power
management issues either. Although you should maybe check
with a SMART tool after a few days of operation.
Arno
Yes, good infor Arno. I just applied the WDIDLE fix to my drives. Luckily i
hadnt used them yet. I only had the first one in my sytem to copy from a dying
1TB Seagate and the WD Green drive only had a 100 or so start stop cycles.
The other three 2TB green drives havent had their cherries popped yet.
G
GMAN
There is an open source, reverse engineered Linux vversion:
http://idle3-tools.sourceforge.net/
- Franc Zabkar
Would all of you experts advise then to just turn off the Intellipark
completely if being used in a desktop internal environment?
A
Arno
GMAN said:Would all of you experts advise then to just turn off the Intellipark
completely if being used in a desktop internal environment?
Yes. Or reduce it ot > 15 minutes (I do not remember whether that
was possible).
Arno
A
Arno
I think I read that this was a once in a 100 year flood.
You mean once in 100 years without the current climate changes?
At least they will not need the full time to the next such
event for the clean-up, unlike they will in Fukushima.
If Cernobyl is any indicator, Fukushima will not be
permanently contained in 100 years. May take a bit longer.
If that's the
case then it's a reasonable decision to not worry about that since
most companies are focused on this quarter's revenues and what profit
they can report to the shareholders.
It is a resonable decision only because a) the idiots making
it will not have to pay for the damage (or only a very, very
small part of it by losing their jobs) and b) there was no need
for full insurance. Insurers will take 100 year floods into
account, as they are rational and see the bigger picture.
Same way to make nuclear power safe: Require full, unlimited
insurance from a large, global insurer. Suddently there would
be a realistic cost estimate and that is massively more
expensive than any other form of power generation.
Worrying about something that
might happen in the next hundred years isn't something that a CEO will
get rewarded for.
Unfortunately that is so. Unil said CEO will end up in jail
if he does not prepare for things like this (even if they
do not happen), nothing will change. The state of applied
riskmanagement is really a disgrace to the management
profession (such as it is).
Arno
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Percival P. Cassidy
On 11/10/11 06:54 am, Arno wrote:
ISTR reading that a few decades ago, when the UK wanted to privatize its
power-generation industry, nobody would buy it if the nuclear plants
were included. So I assume that the traditional plants were "carrying"
the nuclear plants financially -- or that sensible people didn't want to
be stuck with the risks of owning and operating a nuclear plant.
Perce
Same way to make nuclear power safe: Require full, unlimited
insurance from a large, global insurer. Suddently there would
be a realistic cost estimate and that is massively more
expensive than any other form of power generation.
ISTR reading that a few decades ago, when the UK wanted to privatize its
power-generation industry, nobody would buy it if the nuclear plants
were included. So I assume that the traditional plants were "carrying"
the nuclear plants financially -- or that sensible people didn't want to
be stuck with the risks of owning and operating a nuclear plant.
Perce
K
Krypsis
On 11/10/11 06:54 am, Arno wrote:
ISTR reading that a few decades ago, when the UK wanted to privatize its
power-generation industry, nobody would buy it if the nuclear plants
were included. So I assume that the traditional plants were "carrying"
the nuclear plants financially -- or that sensible people didn't want to
be stuck with the risks of owning and operating a nuclear plant.
Perce
Given the recent debacle in Fukushima, Japan, that would have been the
most sensible option.
Whenever someone makes contingency plans for forseeable disasters, a
beancounter will be there cutting the crap out of any precautionary
measures.
These people don't seem to realise that the next 100 year flood that
Thailand suffers could be 100 years distant ... or next year. There are
no rules!
G
GMAN
Yes. Or reduce it ot > 15 minutes (I do not remember whether that
was possible).
Arno
I think the maximun that the WDIDLE allows is 300 seconds or of course 5
minutes. That seems like the best setting. That way, even if on 24/7 , the
drive would never even reach the 1,000,000 cycles for 6 years or so.
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Tom Del Rosso
Rod said:I've automated the price check with the 2TB drives I currently buy,
the Samsung greens and have only seen a $10 jump from $75 to $85
australian.
I also monitor the 3TB drives waiting to see when they are the best
$/GB, they are nothing like that yet, and have seen a jump from $149
to $165 with those.
Maybe 3TB will be the best value sooner in the better quality lines like
Caviar Black, before it is so with the Blue or Green families and their
equivalents from other manufacturers.
R
Rod Speed
Tom Del Rosso wrote
They have now got to $99, but with some externals still $88 for some reason.
Only USB 2 tho, likely thats the reason.
Now they have got to $170, for the Hitachis now.
Dunno, that hasnt happened previously so I dont see why it should happen this time.
Rod Speed wrote
They have now got to $99, but with some externals still $88 for some reason.
Only USB 2 tho, likely thats the reason.
Now they have got to $170, for the Hitachis now.
Maybe 3TB will be the best value sooner in the better quality lines like Caviar Black, before it is so with the Blue
or Green families and their equivalents from other manufacturers.
Dunno, that hasnt happened previously so I dont see why it should happen this time.
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