OT Microsoft MVP Award given to Adware Pusher?

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Guest

By the way if I remember the disclaimer of Patchou warned of software to
install but nobody as usual "read" the agreements.
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plun

Engel skrev:
By the way if I remember the disclaimer of Patchou warned of software to
install but nobody as usual "read" the agreements.
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Hi Engel

Well.... Messenger Plus is special...

http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/answers/43.html

http://msmvps.com/blogs/spywaresucks/archive/2006/04/07/89692.aspx

Most funny is that MS One Care is the only scanner which
detects the whole
setupfile as a threat.....

http://www.vitalsecurity.org/2006/10/microsoft-give-mvp-award-to-adware.html

Really sad...

regards
plun
 
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plun

Hi Engel

Well... I´ve seen that pics myself on several infested
PCs.... ;)

I just hope that MS and Patchou can solve this dilemma and
go on.

For the whole cleaning community this is sad.

In nearly every forum there is endless discussions about
Msgplus and his sponsor. And every discussion ends in a
"flamewar"
about the sponsor and about "stupid" users.

I don´t believe that those users are "stupid", they just
doesn´t understand
what the sponsor does.

regards
plun


Engel skrev:
 
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Guest

This is a terrible day only because you people make it a terrible day. He's
has been contributing to the MSN community for years and people fail to
recognise this and the optional sponsor. Of course you're going to get
"flamed" when your information is 99.9% incorrect most of the time.
 
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plun

traxor skrev:
This is a terrible day only because you people make it a terrible day. He's
has been contributing to the MSN community for years and people fail to
recognise this and the optional sponsor. Of course you're going to get
"flamed" when your information is 99.9% incorrect most of the time.
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Hi Traxor

He can easily remove this sponsor and still contribute to
the MSN community.

It´must be a lot of users which doesn´t understand this
setup dialog... ;)
Big Money maybe....

He deserves a MVP title for Msgplus without the sponsor.

Maybe it´s also possible to "clean out" behaviors in his
forum such as Mess patch, A-patch etc which learn young
users that patching is OK.... strange ?!!

Have a nice day
 
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plun

Anonymous Bob skrev:
Appearently, the award has now been rescinded.
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17035085
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Hi Bob

I hope this is true or maybe MS can persuade Patchou to
remove the sponsor and then
he can keep the MVP title... ;)

Well, this also become "big news" when it was spread...

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=153

http://www.techweb.com/wire/software/193105167

http://www.computerworld.com/action...icleBasic&articleId=9003930&source=rss_news50

http://www.cio.com/blog_view.html?CID=25578


Atribunes blog is great:
http://www.atribune.org/Blog/

and also Bleepings
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/sec...mvp-award-receiver-tarnishes-the-mvp-program/


regards
plun
 
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Guest

Hi Plun,

I don't think he can contribute as much as he does now if he removes the
sponsor, simply because that's his main source of income, and without he'd
need to get a full time job and then he'll have hardly any time to spend
contributing to the msn community.

It is the people who don't understand what they're doing who usually install
the sponsor software, I'm not going to disagree with that. However, a lot of
people who do actually want to support Patchou install the software too.

Patchou doesn't patch any software, he simply uses a method of hooking,
there's a difference.

- traxor
 
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Guest

Microsoft have no right to persuade Patchou to remove anything from his
software. They made him that status, it's their choice and they should stick
by it. They should not allow people to stick their noses in and choose what
they think Microsoft should do, it's just unprofessional.
 
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Anonymous Bob

traxor said:
This is a terrible day only because you people make it a terrible day. He's
has been contributing to the MSN community for years and people fail to
recognise this and the optional sponsor. Of course you're going to get
"flamed" when your information is 99.9% incorrect most of the time.
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I'm no expert and anyone can make mistakes, but few are wrong 99.9% of the
time.<bEg>

Here are a few some expert opinions:

C2.Lop
http://www.pestpatrol.com/spywarecenter/pest.aspx?id=453094362
http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_134945.htm
http://www.xblock.com/product_show.php?id=405
http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/pest/pest.aspx?id=453094362
http://research.sunbelt-software.com/threatdisplay.aspx?name=C2.Lop&threatid=8144

Swizzor (Another name for LOP)
http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/virusinfo/virus.aspx?id=14461
http://www.bitdefender.com/VIRUS-143019-en-Trojan.Swizzor.DH.html
http://www.viruslist.com/en/viruses/encyclopedia?virusid=65694
http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/trojswizzorbq.html
http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/swizzor.shtml
http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_134088.htm

Respectfully,
Bob Vanderveen
 
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plun

traxor skrev:
Hi Plun,

I don't think he can contribute as much as he does now if he removes the
sponsor, simply because that's his main source of income, and without he'd
need to get a full time job and then he'll have hardly any time to spend
contributing to the msn community.

It is the people who don't understand what they're doing who usually install
the sponsor software, I'm not going to disagree with that. However, a lot of
people who do actually want to support Patchou install the software too.

Patchou doesn't patch any software, he simply uses a method of hooking,
there's a difference.
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Hi again

Well.... I don´t want this to be the usual "flamewar".

- Messenger Plus is a great application.

- His sponsor is "shit" for a user which doesn´t understand
the meaning with this.

- Last time I tested it with the sponsor it also included
Errorsafe and Winantivirus, also real "shit" for a newbie.
If you have helped a "newbie" with this "shit" you understand.

- Msgplus, Mess.be-Mess patch and the A-patch community is
closely connected to each other.
But maybe it´s OK to patch Live Messenger ? Maybe
therefore a MVP is needed ?

I remove ads with Firefox and Adblock, no needs for
patches... ;)

regards
plun
 
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Guest

Hi again Plun,

Thanks for the reply.

I understand what you mean about it being difficult to uninstall for
somebody who hasn't a clue, as it were.

I use patches, but it doesn't mean I agree with the removal of ads etc, as
sometimes I may feel bad for people who need the income, however like I said,
Patchou never directly patches anything, or does he condone it.

- Luke
 
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Bill Sanderson MVP

There's been no quarrel with his contribution to Live, and MSN. The quarrel
is with the long time and still continuing practice of bundling C2/Lop
spyware with his useful application. Optional (or not, as in the past)--the
sponsor opens the users machine to code not of their choosing, and subject
matter entirely inappropriate for main body of his users. This is a problem
Cyril Paciullo has the power to change, and has chosen not to.
 
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Guest

Once again, I think you've failed to read. Messenger Plus! Live no longer
bundles adware by c2media/lop.
 
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Bill Sanderson MVP

Microsoft listens to its customers. Generally, this is considered to be a
Good Thing. The users of Messenger Plus far outnumber MVP's as a whole, let
alone MVP's awarded in a security-related area. However, I think it is
clear that Microsoft is serious about security, and they've taken the
appropriate action.

You are not the only person speaking up for the level of contribution that
Messenger Plus provides--it is the negative contribution of the sponsor
program that is the issue.

I'm a little startled that you can make this statement:

"It is the people who don't understand what they're doing who usually
install
the sponsor software, I'm not going to disagree with that."

Most folks using PC's today probably fit the category of "people who don't
understand what they're doing"--at least with regard to choosing options on
app installs. They are the folks we need to protect.
 
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Anonymous Bob

traxor said:
Once again, I think you've failed to read. Messenger Plus! Live no longer
bundles adware by c2media/lop.
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You are correct, sir, the sponsor is now Circle Development, but it's just
as bad or maybe even worse.
http://msmvps.com/blogs/spywaresucks/archive/2006/04/07/89691.aspx

Or:
http://msmvps.com/blogs/spywaresucks/archive/2006/04/07/89692.aspx
Summary: The Sponsor Program deliberately bypasses XPSP2's pop-up blocker;
it removes protective entries from HOSTS files, it *may* edit your firewall
settings to grant itself unfettered access to and from the net (blocked on
my system by Group Policy). Older, vulnerable operating systems, or systems
running with lowered security settings, will be infected with additional
malware products automatically. You won't just get the "Sponsor", you'll
get the Sponsor and lots of other crap. Read on.

Bob Vanderveen
 

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