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[Kevin J. Nielsen]

Every time I close Outlook Express, I get the following message: "to free up
disk space, outlook express can compact messages."

I have read about this and I understand it does not diminish the integrity
of my messages.

However, the problem I have is that I cannot stand it when programs like
this keep bugging me relentlessly until I do what they want me to do. I
want to have the choice to say yes or no. This program does not give me
that choice because it keeps bugging me until it gets its way.

I would greatly appreciate it if someone could tell me how to stop these
annoying pop-ups.



Thank You very much



Keven

 

[You Know Who ~]

Microsoft went to this because people didn't compact space as they should
have. You either let things go too long (in which case you should get the
message) or you have enourmous space requirements (do you keep ALL of your
emails?). The prudent thing to do is to compact periodically, manually
before the message screams at you to do something you should have already
done.

 

[PA Bear]

[Needless crossposting eliminated. Why didn't you crosspost to an
OE-specific newsgroup, Kevin?]

It can't be disabled, nor would you want to do so.

Compact all OE folders manually on a regular basis and you'll never be
nagged to do so by Automatic Compacting.

Yes, you /do/ need to compact all folders on a regular basis to avoid
corruption (e.g., loss of messages). See
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx

General OE Caveats:

- Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to local
folders created for this purpose.

- Empty Deleted Items folder daily.

- Disable Background Compacting [not available in SP2] and frequently
perform a manual compact of all OE folders while "working offline". More at
http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm

- WinXP SP2 only: Do not shut down your machine while Windows is
automatically compacting your message store.

- Your anti-virus application's email scanning feature can also cause such
corruption. Disable it. It provides no additional protection.
--
OE-specific newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)

 

[Donna Aten]

Do these caveats also apply to Outlook?
--
Donna

[Needless crossposting eliminated. Why didn't you crosspost to an
OE-specific newsgroup, Kevin?]

It can't be disabled, nor would you want to do so.

Compact all OE folders manually on a regular basis and you'll never be
nagged to do so by Automatic Compacting.

Yes, you /do/ need to compact all folders on a regular basis to avoid
corruption (e.g., loss of messages). See
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx

General OE Caveats:

- Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to local
folders created for this purpose.

- Empty Deleted Items folder daily.

- Disable Background Compacting [not available in SP2] and frequently
perform a manual compact of all OE folders while "working offline". More
at
http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm

- WinXP SP2 only: Do not shut down your machine while Windows is
automatically compacting your message store.

- Your anti-virus application's email scanning feature can also cause such
corruption. Disable it. It provides no additional protection.
--
OE-specific newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)

Every time I close Outlook Express, I get the following message: "to free
up
disk space, outlook express can compact messages."

I have read about this and I understand it does not diminish the
integrity
of my messages.

However, the problem I have is that I cannot stand it when programs like
this keep bugging me relentlessly until I do what they want me to do. I
want to have the choice to say yes or no. This program does not give me
that choice because it keeps bugging me until it gets its way.

I would greatly appreciate it if someone could tell me how to stop these
annoying pop-ups.



Thank You very much



Keven

 

[Kevin J. Nielsen]

Thank you for your response. It is nice to know I can compact manually if I
want to. However, I would still like the decision to be mine. I wish to
have a choice but Microsoft gives me no choice. I guess it was in one of
the updates I received from Microsoft. Thank you, that gives me a clue, I
could start uninstalling the updates until the problem goes away.

Keven

 

[Gordon]

Thank you for your response. It is nice to know I can compact manually if
I
want to. However, I would still like the decision to be mine. I wish to
have a choice but Microsoft gives me no choice. I guess it was in one of
the updates I received from Microsoft. Thank you, that gives me a clue, I
could start uninstalling the updates until the problem goes away.

Keven

The reason it was changed to automatic was that if you do not compact OE
folders on a regular basis (and the setting for the automatic compaction is
having launched OE 100 times - so if you only open it once a day then
automatic compaction is only offered just over every THREE months.....)
there is grave danger of folder corruption.....and there were many posts on
the OE groups complaining about sudden corruption of folders and loss of
data, all due to not compacting on a regular basis.

 

[Ron Sommer]

: Kevin J. Nielsen wrote:
:
: > Thank you for your response. It is nice to know I can compact manually
if
: > I
: > want to. However, I would still like the decision to be mine. I wish to
: > have a choice but Microsoft gives me no choice. I guess it was in one
of
: > the updates I received from Microsoft. Thank you, that gives me a clue,
I
: > could start uninstalling the updates until the problem goes away.
: >
: > Keven
:
: The reason it was changed to automatic was that if you do not compact OE
: folders on a regular basis (and the setting for the automatic compaction
is
: having launched OE 100 times - so if you only open it once a day then
: automatic compaction is only offered just over every THREE months.....)
: there is grave danger of folder corruption.....and there were many posts
on
: the OE groups complaining about sudden corruption of folders and loss of
: data, all due to not compacting on a regular basis.

Actually, the Compact Folder Count is not changed until you close OE or
close an Identity by switching Identities.
Each Identity keeps its own Compact Folder Count.
Compacting is only done for the current Identity.
So if you compact before closing OE, you won't get the compaction message.

 

[Jerry Ed]

I use the following because my computer is on at 1:00AM every morning:

Click Start, point to Programs, point to Accessories, point to System Tools,
and then click Scheduled Tasks.
Add Scheduled Task

Under the Task tab > Run: , type C:\Tasks\RunTasks.bat
Under the Task tab > Start in: , type C:\Tasks
Under the Task tab > Run as: , your computer name\your account name
(Note: the account name must have a password (not blank), for Scheduled Task
service to run)
Under the Task tab > check the box for "Enabled (scheduled task runs at
specified time)"

Under the Schedule tab > Schedule Task:, enter Daily
Under the Schedule tab > Start time:, enter 1:00AM
Under the Schedule tab > Every:, enter 1
Hit OK and exit .

Open Windows Explorer.
Create the directory Tasks on the C: drive (C:\Tasks)
Use Notepad to create the following .bat files and .reg file in C:\Tasks

----RunTasks.bat----------------------
@ECHO OFF
REM ---------change registry so email wont compress---
call C:\Tasks\NoCompact.bat

----NoCompact.bat-------------------
regedit.exe /s C:\Tasks\NoCompact.reg

----NoCompact.reg-------------------
REGEDIT4
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Identities\{......what ever your idenity
is.........}\Software\Microsoft\Outlook Express\5.0]
"Compact Check Count"=dword:00000000

The above registery change makes sure that the count never gets to 100
(which causes the compress or pop-ups).
The counter is set to zero every night at 1:00AM.
I can compress the email whenever I think about it...which is not to often.


If you do NOT want to run a scheduled task every day, then create a batch
file
that launches Outlook Express.
The batch file also includes the procedure to zero the count.

----LaunchOE.bat-----------------------------
@ECHO OFF
REM ---------change registry so email wont compress---
call C:\Tasks\NoCompact.bat
MSIMN.EXE


Create a shortcut from LaunchOE.bat
Drag the shortcut to the desk top.
Use the shortcut to launch OE.

have a nice day,
JE

 

[Jerry Ed]

Forget the LaunchOE.bat suggestion....it doesn't work.
JE

I use the following because my computer is on at 1:00AM every morning:

Click Start, point to Programs, point to Accessories, point to System
Tools, and then click Scheduled Tasks.
Add Scheduled Task

Under the Task tab > Run: , type C:\Tasks\RunTasks.bat
Under the Task tab > Start in: , type C:\Tasks
Under the Task tab > Run as: , your computer name\your account name
(Note: the account name must have a password (not blank), for Scheduled
Task service to run)
Under the Task tab > check the box for "Enabled (scheduled task runs at
specified time)"

Under the Schedule tab > Schedule Task:, enter Daily
Under the Schedule tab > Start time:, enter 1:00AM
Under the Schedule tab > Every:, enter 1
Hit OK and exit .

Open Windows Explorer.
Create the directory Tasks on the C: drive (C:\Tasks)
Use Notepad to create the following .bat files and .reg file in C:\Tasks

----RunTasks.bat----------------------
@ECHO OFF
REM ---------change registry so email wont compress---
call C:\Tasks\NoCompact.bat

----NoCompact.bat-------------------
regedit.exe /s C:\Tasks\NoCompact.reg

----NoCompact.reg-------------------
REGEDIT4
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Identities\{......what ever your idenity
is.........}\Software\Microsoft\Outlook Express\5.0]
"Compact Check Count"=dword:00000000

The above registery change makes sure that the count never gets to 100
(which causes the compress or pop-ups).
The counter is set to zero every night at 1:00AM.
I can compress the email whenever I think about it...which is not to
often.


If you do NOT want to run a scheduled task every day, then create a batch
file
that launches Outlook Express.
The batch file also includes the procedure to zero the count.

----LaunchOE.bat-----------------------------
@ECHO OFF
REM ---------change registry so email wont compress---
call C:\Tasks\NoCompact.bat
MSIMN.EXE


Create a shortcut from LaunchOE.bat
Drag the shortcut to the desk top.
Use the shortcut to launch OE.

have a nice day,
JE

Every time I close Outlook Express, I get the following message: "to free
up disk space, outlook express can compact messages."

I have read about this and I understand it does not diminish the
integrity of my messages.

However, the problem I have is that I cannot stand it when programs like
this keep bugging me relentlessly until I do what they want me to do. I
want to have the choice to say yes or no. This program does not give me
that choice because it keeps bugging me until it gets its way.

I would greatly appreciate it if someone could tell me how to stop these
annoying pop-ups.



Thank You very much



Keven

 

[PA Bear]

Ron Sommer wrote:

Actually, the Compact Folder Count is not changed until you close OE or
close an Identity by switching Identities.

OE does not have to be closed nor do you have to switch identities for the
Compact Count to be reset: The Compact Count resets to 0 (zero) when user
manually compacts all OE folders.
--
OE-specific newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)

 

[PA Bear]

No.
--
~PA Bear

Do these caveats also apply to Outlook?

[Needless crossposting eliminated. Why didn't you crosspost to an
OE-specific newsgroup, Kevin?]

It can't be disabled, nor would you want to do so.

Compact all OE folders manually on a regular basis and you'll never be
nagged to do so by Automatic Compacting.

Yes, you /do/ need to compact all folders on a regular basis to avoid
corruption (e.g., loss of messages). See
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx

General OE Caveats:

- Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to local
folders created for this purpose.

- Empty Deleted Items folder daily.

- Disable Background Compacting [not available in SP2] and frequently
perform a manual compact of all OE folders while "working offline". More
at
http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm

- WinXP SP2 only: Do not shut down your machine while Windows is
automatically compacting your message store.

- Your anti-virus application's email scanning feature can also cause
such
corruption. Disable it. It provides no additional protection.
--
OE-specific newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)

Every time I close Outlook Express, I get the following message: "to
free
up
disk space, outlook express can compact messages."

I have read about this and I understand it does not diminish the
integrity
of my messages.

However, the problem I have is that I cannot stand it when programs like
this keep bugging me relentlessly until I do what they want me to do. I
want to have the choice to say yes or no. This program does not give me
that choice because it keeps bugging me until it gets its way.

I would greatly appreciate it if someone could tell me how to stop these
annoying pop-ups.



Thank You very much



Keven

 

[PA Bear]

...I could start uninstalling the updates until the problem goes away.

It's not a problem, it's behavior you dislike.

If you want to risk corruption of your OE store (possible loss of some or
all of your messages) and run a much-less secure version of OE, go right
ahead and do that, Keven/Kevin. You'd be cutting off your nose to spite
your face IMHO.

 

[Jerry Ed]

You have to use:
start C:\Progra~1\Outloo~1\MSIMN.EXE

I use the following because my computer is on at 1:00AM every morning:

Click Start, point to Programs, point to Accessories, point to System
Tools, and then click Scheduled Tasks.
Add Scheduled Task

Under the Task tab > Run: , type C:\Tasks\RunTasks.bat
Under the Task tab > Start in: , type C:\Tasks
Under the Task tab > Run as: , your computer name\your account name
(Note: the account name must have a password (not blank), for Scheduled
Task service to run)
Under the Task tab > check the box for "Enabled (scheduled task runs at
specified time)"

Under the Schedule tab > Schedule Task:, enter Daily
Under the Schedule tab > Start time:, enter 1:00AM
Under the Schedule tab > Every:, enter 1
Hit OK and exit .

Open Windows Explorer.
Create the directory Tasks on the C: drive (C:\Tasks)
Use Notepad to create the following .bat files and .reg file in C:\Tasks

----RunTasks.bat----------------------
@ECHO OFF
REM ---------change registry so email wont compress---
call C:\Tasks\NoCompact.bat

----NoCompact.bat-------------------
regedit.exe /s C:\Tasks\NoCompact.reg

----NoCompact.reg-------------------
REGEDIT4
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Identities\{......what ever your idenity
is.........}\Software\Microsoft\Outlook Express\5.0]
"Compact Check Count"=dword:00000000

The above registery change makes sure that the count never gets to 100
(which causes the compress or pop-ups).
The counter is set to zero every night at 1:00AM.
I can compress the email whenever I think about it...which is not to
often.


If you do NOT want to run a scheduled task every day, then create a batch
file
that launches Outlook Express.
The batch file also includes the procedure to zero the count.

----LaunchOE.bat-----------------------------
@ECHO OFF
REM ---------change registry so email wont compress---
call C:\Tasks\NoCompact.bat
MSIMN.EXE


Create a shortcut from LaunchOE.bat
Drag the shortcut to the desk top.
Use the shortcut to launch OE.

have a nice day,
JE

Every time I close Outlook Express, I get the following message: "to free
up disk space, outlook express can compact messages."

I have read about this and I understand it does not diminish the
integrity of my messages.

However, the problem I have is that I cannot stand it when programs like
this keep bugging me relentlessly until I do what they want me to do. I
want to have the choice to say yes or no. This program does not give me
that choice because it keeps bugging me until it gets its way.

I would greatly appreciate it if someone could tell me how to stop these
annoying pop-ups.



Thank You very much



Keven

 

[Ron Sommer]

My reply was to this statement:
the setting for the automatic compaction is having launched OE 100 times .

The Compact Folder Count will only be reset for the current Identity when
you do a compaction.
--
Ronald Sommer

: Ron Sommer wrote:
: <snip>
: > Actually, the Compact Folder Count is not changed until you close OE or
: > close an Identity by switching Identities.
:
: OE does not have to be closed nor do you have to switch identities for the
: Compact Count to be reset: The Compact Count resets to 0 (zero) when user
: manually compacts all OE folders.
: --
: OE-specific newsgroup:
: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general
:
: ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
: MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)
:

 

[Kevin J. Nielsen]

It is my understanding that the only way I would risk corruption is if I
wait too long between compacting OE messages. If I never compact OE at all,
I have no risk of corruption.

That is exactly what I would like to do.. Never compact my messages. I wish
to never risk my messages at all. I have plenty of HD space and I am not
worried about the space requirements, I simply want to have a choice.

Are you guys going to keep hekling me or does someone have an anwer to my
question

Keven

 

[Gordon]

It is my understanding that the only way I would risk corruption is if I
wait too long between compacting OE messages. If I never compact OE at
all, I have no risk of corruption.

That's not correct AFAIK - many problems in OE with regard to corrupt
folders and loss of data seem to be caused precisely BECAUSE the user did
not compact on a regular basis....

 

[Kevin J. Nielsen]

many problems in OE with regard to corrupt folders and loss of data seem to
be caused precisely BECAUSE the user did not compact on a regular basis....


Alright but that still leaves doubt. Saying problems are caused because
users dont compact regularly could mean either they waited too long to
compact and when they did, it caused corruption. Or it could mean that the
user never compacted at all and that caused the corruption.

Which is it? Either the problem was caused by compacting messages after
waiting a long time; or corruption occured when the user never compacted
messages.

To me, the statement: "many problems in OE with regard to corrupt folders
and loss of data seem to be caused precisely BECAUSE the user did not
compact on a regular basis" says that if you are going to compact, do it
regularly or risk corruption.


Keven

 

[Gordon]

many problems in OE with regard to corrupt folders and loss of data seem
to
be caused precisely BECAUSE the user did not compact on a regular
basis....


Alright but that still leaves doubt. Saying problems are caused because
users dont compact regularly could mean either they waited too long to
compact and when they did, it caused corruption.

The usual cause of corruption when compacting is the user interrupting
it.....

Or it could mean that
the user never compacted at all and that caused the corruption.

if the dbx files are allowed to get too big, then the probability of them
corrupting grows. Also you should NOT store data in the default OE folders
(Inbox, sent items) as these too have a high propensity for corrupting.
When messages are deleted from an OE folder, the space that they occupied is
still there. Compaction removes that space, so the dbx file becomes leaner
and not bloated.

Although I do not now use OE, I never had any problems with either data loss
or corruption, or with the compacting process. if you are truly worried
about it, then I suggest you investigate something like Mozilla Thunderbird
as an alternative...

 

[Bob I]

Compacting removes the space previously occupied by deleted messages, IF
you don't compact the file size will continue to grow until it becomes
inaccessible.

Compact the file OR suffer the consequences. Your choice.

 

[PA Bear]

X-post to OE General newsgroup.

It is my understanding that the only way I would risk corruption is if I
wait too long between compacting OE messages. If I never compact OE at
all,
I have no risk of corruption.

Think again, Kevin. See
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx

Are you guys going to keep hekling me or does someone have an anwer to my
question

Your question has been answered. To disable Compact Count from being reset
to 0 (zero) after compacting manually, uninstall KB923694. To disable
Automatic Compacting, uninstall WinXP Service Pack 2.