Mail vs Live Mail vs Live Mail Desktop vs Outlook Express

[Big Al Mintaka]

Hi Everyone,
I'm just getting Vista running on my systems and now I've run into huge,
heaping, steaming mound of confusion regarding all of these email
applications.

1. Can Outlook Express be used in Vista?

2. If it can't and I have to use one of the other email clients, which one
is actually destined to be the front runner in Vista: Mail, Live Mail, or
Live Mail Desktop?

3. What's the difference between Live Mail, Live Mail Desktop, and Live Mail
Hotmail?

4. I have tried Live Mail already, but it kept hanging up every time I tried
to do something with the message folders I imported from Outlook Express.
Finally I gave up, uninstalled it, and went back to Mail.

I do have a large number of messages in those folders. Outlook Express sure
has no problems opening and closing them. Are these persistent lockups a bug
in Live Mail, or is there some way it should be configured to handle a large
message store?

I'm not exactly crazy about Mail either, but at least it works.

Thanks to all for your time and patience in reading this message! Have a
good one,

Big Al Mintaka

Systems:
Two Dell Dimensions, 8300 and 8400
3,2 GHz 1GB RAM
HD Internal (2 each) 250GB, ~150GB free
HD USB2 (4 each) 350GB, ~200GB free
DVD+/-RW NEC 3450A, 3530A ATA
Graphics ATI Radeon 9800XT 256MB
Linksys WRT54GS wireless router
OS: Vista Ultimate
SW: The usual Windows crap

 

[Dave]

1. No.

2. Windows Live Mail Desktop has been renamed to Windows Live Mail. WLM is
the apparent replacement for Windows Mail. Windows Mail was provided with
Vista. Windows Live Mail has been released since, and has been updated a few
times.

3. Live Hotmail is, well... Hotmail... the web mail email service, not a
program.

 

[Guest]

Hi Everyone,
I'm just getting Vista running on my systems and now I've run into huge,
heaping, steaming mound of confusion regarding all of these email
applications.

1. Can Outlook Express be used in Vista?

No, it won't work under Vista.

2. If it can't and I have to use one of the other email clients, which one
is actually destined to be the front runner in Vista: Mail, Live Mail, or
Live Mail Desktop?

Windows Mail is the one that came with Vista. Microsoft has decided
to replace it with Windows Live Mail, which you can download here:

http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview

I think there's another program with the same name available elsewhere,
though. I'm not familiar with Live Mail Desktop.

3. What's the difference between Live Mail, Live Mail Desktop, and Live
Mail
Hotmail?

I don't know.

4. I have tried Live Mail already, but it kept hanging up every time I
tried
to do something with the message folders I imported from Outlook Express.
Finally I gave up, uninstalled it, and went back to Mail.

I do have a large number of messages in those folders. Outlook Express
sure
has no problems opening and closing them. Are these persistent lockups a
bug
in Live Mail, or is there some way it should be configured to handle a
large
message store?

You may find it easier to import the messages into Windows Mail, and then
let Windows Live Mail get them there.

<http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/email/import-dbx-files-outlook-express-windows-mail-vista-86458.html>

 

[mac]

2. which one is actually destined to be the front runner in Vista: Mail,
Live Mail, or
Live Mail Desktop?

<snip>

There appears to be a misconception developing here in the replies to your
post, regarding the section that I quote.

With many Millions of copies of Vista already on the street and in the
stores, all around the world, there is only one answer to that question, it
has to be Windows Mail.

Just because WLM(D) has been developed to enable the 'Live' element and
bring back Hotmail availability, does not mean it is a Superior Program,
replacement (or an upgrade), it means that it has a revenue model, while WM
does not have such, (being part of the OS), and subsequently little
resources appear to be being used to improve its performance, sadly. It took
over 9 months of nagging by MVP's etc (Particularly Dr Steve Cochran MVP),
to get a fix released for the undeletable/stuck messages bug.

I hope that now that WLM is out of beta, that the resources that it as
hogged for the past two years, are now made available to the refining of WM,
(dream on)?
IMHO

 

[Gary VanderMolen]

I think we can agree to disagree. ;-)
It doesn't make good business sense for Microsoft to support two
similar email clients indefinitely. There hasn't been one inkling to suggest
that Microsoft will support Windows Mail more actively now that WLM
is out the door. Even post-release we are seeing more Microsoft
presence in the WLM newsgroup than we ever saw in this WM newsgroup.

 

[mac]

I think there's another program with the same name available elsewhere,
though. I'm not familiar with Live Mail Desktop.

Robert FYI:

WLM was WLMD when it was in beta testing, see the newsgroup name that it
still uses:
microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop
HTH?
More naming confusion for the newbie!!

 

[David Webb]

Now I'm confused. I was under the impression that WLM was a webmail client app
similar to Gmail and Hotmail. If that's the case, how can it be called a
replacement for Windows Mail when it doesn't physically replace it?

I started to install WLM, but decided not to based on the content of its
companion conditions, which dwells on many cost issues for the user.

I think that Microsoft blew it in both apps. I'm looking into Mozilla's
Thunderbird as a workaround app for Vista users.

I think we can agree to disagree. ;-)
It doesn't make good business sense for Microsoft to support two
similar email clients indefinitely. There hasn't been one inkling to suggest
that Microsoft will support Windows Mail more actively now that WLM
is out the door. Even post-release we are seeing more Microsoft
presence in the WLM newsgroup than we ever saw in this WM newsgroup.

 

[Guest]

Windows Live Mail replaces the mail functions of Windows Mail, but
doesn't install on top of it. Unlike Windows Mail, it can also connect
to webmail servers. I think there's another program with the same
name though available elsewhere, and a third program that also has
the abbreviation WLM.

The Windows Live Mail Microsoft is switching to is available here:

http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview

Now I'm confused. I was under the impression that WLM was a webmail client
app
similar to Gmail and Hotmail. If that's the case, how can it be called a
replacement for Windows Mail when it doesn't physically replace it?

I started to install WLM, but decided not to based on the content of its
companion conditions, which dwells on many cost issues for the user.

I think that Microsoft blew it in both apps. I'm looking into Mozilla's
Thunderbird as a workaround app for Vista users.

I think we can agree to disagree. ;-)
It doesn't make good business sense for Microsoft to support two
similar email clients indefinitely. There hasn't been one inkling to
suggest
that Microsoft will support Windows Mail more actively now that WLM
is out the door. Even post-release we are seeing more Microsoft
presence in the WLM newsgroup than we ever saw in this WM newsgroup.
--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]

message

<snip>
2. which one is actually destined to be the front runner in Vista:
Mail, Live Mail, or
Live Mail Desktop?
<snip>

There appears to be a misconception developing here in the replies to
your post, regarding the section that I quote.

With many Millions of copies of Vista already on the street and in the stores, all around the world, there is only one answer
to that question, it has to be Windows Mail.

Just because WLM(D) has been developed to enable the 'Live' element and bring back Hotmail availability, does not mean it is a
Superior Program, replacement (or an upgrade), it means that it has a revenue model, while WM does not have such, (being part of
the OS), and subsequently little resources appear to be being used to improve its performance, sadly. It took over 9 months of
nagging by MVP's etc (Particularly Dr Steve Cochran MVP), to get a fix released for the undeletable/stuck messages bug.

I hope that now that WLM is out of beta, that the resources that it as hogged for the past two years, are now made available to
the refining of WM, (dream on)?
IMHO

 

[Gary VanderMolen]

Windows Live Mail does everything Windows Mail does (POP/IMAP/newsgroups),
plus it adds compatibility with Hotmail HTTP accounts.

I don't know what you mean by "companion conditions" or "cost issues".
I've been running the latest version of WLM practically 24/7, and there
are no costs or required companion apps.
--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]

Now I'm confused. I was under the impression that WLM was a webmail client app
similar to Gmail and Hotmail. If that's the case, how can it be called a
replacement for Windows Mail when it doesn't physically replace it?

I started to install WLM, but decided not to based on the content of its
companion conditions, which dwells on many cost issues for the user.

I think that Microsoft blew it in both apps. I'm looking into Mozilla's
Thunderbird as a workaround app for Vista users.

I think we can agree to disagree. ;-)
It doesn't make good business sense for Microsoft to support two
similar email clients indefinitely. There hasn't been one inkling to suggest
that Microsoft will support Windows Mail more actively now that WLM
is out the door. Even post-release we are seeing more Microsoft
presence in the WLM newsgroup than we ever saw in this WM newsgroup.
--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]

<snip>
2. which one is actually destined to be the front runner in Vista: Mail, Live Mail, or
Live Mail Desktop?
<snip>

There appears to be a misconception developing here in the replies to your post, regarding the section that I quote.

With many Millions of copies of Vista already on the street and in the stores, all around the world, there is only one answer
to that question, it has to be Windows Mail.

Just because WLM(D) has been developed to enable the 'Live' element and bring back Hotmail availability, does not mean it is a
Superior Program, replacement (or an upgrade), it means that it has a revenue model, while WM does not have such, (being part of
the OS), and subsequently little resources appear to be being used to improve its performance, sadly. It took over 9 months of
nagging by MVP's etc (Particularly Dr Steve Cochran MVP), to get a fix released for the undeletable/stuck messages bug.

I hope that now that WLM is out of beta, that the resources that it as hogged for the past two years, are now made available to
the refining of WM, (dream on)?
IMHO

 

[Gary VanderMolen]

Although the contact import mechanism in WLM does not preserve
groups, it is easy enough to set up groups once the contacts are
imported.

We will probably have to wait for the next version of WLM to have
Windows contacts and WLM contacts synced together.
I don't have an issue with strictly using WLM contacts for now.

 

[the Knuths]

I think we can agree to disagree. ;-)
It doesn't make good business sense for Microsoft to support two
similar email clients indefinitely. There hasn't been one inkling to
suggest
that Microsoft will support Windows Mail more actively now that WLM
is out the door. Even post-release we are seeing more Microsoft
presence in the WLM newsgroup than we ever saw in this WM newsgroup.

..
Gary, do you think that Windows Live Mail will be included in the first
Service Pack?

Ricardo

 

[Gary VanderMolen]

.
Gary, do you think that Windows Live Mail will be included in the first Service Pack?

No, unfortunately not.

 

[mac]

No, unfortunately not.
--

Well that would have been a perfect opportunity?

Maybe it will be included with the *next* new Windows System, after Vista

 

[David Webb]

Comments inline....

Windows Live Mail does everything Windows Mail does (POP/IMAP/newsgroups),
plus it adds compatibility with Hotmail HTTP accounts.

Are the message mail boxes (Inbox, Sent Items, etc) maintained on the user's
system or are they on Microsoft's server?

How about the user's Contacts list....where is that info kept?

I don't know what you mean by "companion conditions" or "cost issues".
I've been running the latest version of WLM practically 24/7, and there
are no costs or required companion apps.
--

When user's click on the setup file (WLinstaller.exe) they are presented with
links to Terms of Use and Privacy Statements. These are the companions
conditions I referred to. The cost issues are addressed in the Terms of Use
document. As an example, here's a few quotes from the cost section:

7.1 Charges.

This section 7 applies in all situations in which you directly pay us. If you
pay a company other than us for the service, then the charges and billing terms
are as stated by the other company. Even if you do not pay for the service, you
may still incur charges incidental to using the service; for example, charges
for Internet access, mobile text messaging, or other data transmission.

7.2 Payment.

When you create a billing account, you enter your payment method. You must be
authorized to use the payment method. You authorize us to charge you for the
service using your payment method and for any paid feature of the service for
which you choose to sign-up or use while this contract is in force. You will pay
service charges in advance. We may charge you a different amount than what you
approved. If it is a greater amount, we will tell you the amount and the date of
the charge at least 10 days before we make the charge. Also, we may charge you
up to the amount you have approved, and notify you in advance of the difference.
We may bill you for more than one of your prior billing periods together. If we
informed you that the service will be provided indefinitely or automatically
renewed, we may automatically renew your service and charge you for any renewal
term.

[end quote]

Naturally, there's a lot more conditions specified, these are just examples of
cost statements.

It was enough to stop me from installing WLM.

Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]

Now I'm confused. I was under the impression that WLM was a webmail client app
similar to Gmail and Hotmail. If that's the case, how can it be called a
replacement for Windows Mail when it doesn't physically replace it?

I started to install WLM, but decided not to based on the content of its
companion conditions, which dwells on many cost issues for the user.

I think that Microsoft blew it in both apps. I'm looking into Mozilla's
Thunderbird as a workaround app for Vista users.

I think we can agree to disagree. ;-)
It doesn't make good business sense for Microsoft to support two
similar email clients indefinitely. There hasn't been one inkling to suggest
that Microsoft will support Windows Mail more actively now that WLM
is out the door. Even post-release we are seeing more Microsoft
presence in the WLM newsgroup than we ever saw in this WM newsgroup.
--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]




<snip>
2. which one is actually destined to be the front runner in Vista: Mail, Live Mail, or
Live Mail Desktop?
<snip>

There appears to be a misconception developing here in the replies to

your
post, regarding the section that I quote.

With many Millions of copies of Vista already on the street and in the

stores, all around the world, there is only one answer

to that question, it has to be Windows Mail.

Just because WLM(D) has been developed to enable the 'Live' element and

bring back Hotmail availability, does not mean it is a

Superior Program, replacement (or an upgrade), it means that it has a

revenue model, while WM does not have such, (being part of

the OS), and subsequently little resources appear to be being used to

improve its performance, sadly. It took over 9 months of

nagging by MVP's etc (Particularly Dr Steve Cochran MVP), to get a fix

released for the undeletable/stuck messages bug.

I hope that now that WLM is out of beta, that the resources that it as

hogged for the past two years, are now made available to

the refining of WM, (dream on)?
IMHO

 

[bresolin.gerard]

bonsoir ,je ne peux pas avboir des contacts avec ce groupe ,je ne parle pas
anglais.MERCI Gerard