Canon Pixma iP3000 & iP4000 - Differences..?

[Stroller]

Whilst making my posting of an hour ago I noticed mention of these
Canon Pixma printers on the group. I've been reading more about them
since, and they look exactly what I've been after for myself for a
while. I'll probably get one for myself, test it on the Vigor's USB
port & recommend it for use on that setup if it works.

The only differences I can see between the iP3000 & iP4000 are that the
iP4000 has the parallel port & 5-ink cartridges. Are there any others
I've missed..? I've never had an inkjet before, so I don't know that
I'll notice any quality differences. Are the iP4000's cartridge sets
likely to be (much) more expensive..?

I understand that some brands (one brand?) of inkjet have the nozzles
built-in to the printer, so if they clog permanently the printer is
FUBAR, but that Canon build the nozzles into the cartridge, or that
they're otherwise replaceable. Is this the case..?

TIA for all advices,

Stroller.

 

[colinco]

Are the iP4000's cartridge sets
likely to be (much) more expensive..?
[/QUOTE]
The ip4000 uses the same 4 carts as the 3000 plus an extra photo black.

I understand that some brands (one brand?) of inkjet have the nozzles
built-in to the printer, so if they clog permanently the printer is FUBAR,

Epson

but that Canon build the nozzles into the cartridge, or that
they're otherwise replaceable. Is this the case..?

HP printhead on cart. Canon replaceable printhead.

 

[aprestn5]

Whilst making my posting of an hour ago I noticed mention of these
Canon Pixma printers on the group. I've been reading more about them
since, and they look exactly what I've been after for myself for a
while. I'll probably get one for myself, test it on the Vigor's USB
port & recommend it for use on that setup if it works.

The only differences I can see between the iP3000 & iP4000 are that the
iP4000 has the parallel port & 5-ink cartridges. Are there any others
I've missed..? I've never had an inkjet before, so I don't know that
I'll notice any quality differences. Are the iP4000's cartridge sets
likely to be (much) more expensive..?

I understand that some brands (one brand?) of inkjet have the nozzles
built-in to the printer, so if they clog permanently the printer is
FUBAR, but that Canon build the nozzles into the cartridge, or that
they're otherwise replaceable. Is this the case..?

TIA for all advices,

Stroller.

Going by the Canon features & specifications sheets distributed to dealers
recently, the iP4000 is also supposed to be slightly faster (25 ppm
black/17 ppm colour) than the iP3000 (22 ppm/15ppm). Other than that, the
specs are much the same . The 1P3000's print head has a 1600 nozzle print
head while the iP4000 has 1856 nozzles (both 1200 dpi spacing). As you
noted, the iP4000 also has the "photo black" dye cartridge in addition to
the black pigment and cyan, yellow and magenta dye cartridges.

I've seen some prints made with these printers and they are quite good,
(though, since they were produced by Canon, they may have been hand picked
to emphasize the quality). Were these printers not made by Canon, I'd be
tempted to consider buying one...

Al Preston

 

[Stroller]

...I've seen some prints made with these printers and they are quite good,
(though, since they were produced by Canon, they may have been hand picked
to emphasize the quality). Were these printers not made by Canon, I'd be
tempted to consider buying one...

Might I enquire what your concerns with Canon are..? Since the specs
if these printers are so good, why *shouldn't* I be considering one..?

TIA,

Stroller.

 

[Martin Trautmann]

The 1P3000's print head has a 1600 nozzle print
head while the iP4000 has 1856 nozzles (both 1200 dpi spacing). As you
noted, the iP4000 also has the "photo black" dye cartridge in addition to
the black pigment and cyan, yellow and magenta dye cartridges.

Yes - if you have more colors, you need extra nozzles for it, too:

1 color (mycb): 256 nozzles each
1 black: 832 nozzles!?

Regards
Martin

 

[colinco]

1 color (mycb): 256 nozzles each
1 black: 832 nozzles!?
[/QUOTE]
colours don't all have same number of nozzles
"Nozzle Text: Black: 320, Color: 512 x 2 (C, M), 256 x 2 (Y, Bk) Total
Nozzles: 1856"

 

[Martin Trautmann]

1 color (mycb): 256 nozzles each
1 black: 832 nozzles!?

colours don't all have same number of nozzles
"Nozzle Text: Black: 320, Color: 512 x 2 (C, M), 256 x 2 (Y, Bk) Total
Nozzles: 1856"[/QUOTE]

ah, thanks, I doubted that it was that many text-black.
Martin

 

[Douglas]

It is because they are made by Canon I WOULD buy one! I have printers by all
the major players,an would buy Canon over any of them,in most cases!I read
your last post and was just set to tell you to buy the ip3000!

 

[PC Medic]

Going by the Canon features & specifications sheets distributed to dealers
recently, the iP4000 is also supposed to be slightly faster (25 ppm
black/17 ppm colour) than the iP3000 (22 ppm/15ppm). Other than that, the
specs are much the same . The 1P3000's print head has a 1600 nozzle print
head while the iP4000 has 1856 nozzles (both 1200 dpi spacing). As you
noted, the iP4000 also has the "photo black" dye cartridge in addition to
the black pigment and cyan, yellow and magenta dye cartridges.

I've seen some prints made with these printers and they are quite good,
(though, since they were produced by Canon, they may have been hand picked
to emphasize the quality). Were these printers not made by Canon, I'd be
tempted to consider buying one...

I have seen just general prints (not hand picked) and they are *very* good!
Least expensive ink costs, good quality product, great warranty (next day
replacement), why would you not pick Canon

 

[aprestn5]

Might I enquire what your concerns with Canon are..? Since the specs
if these printers are so good, why *shouldn't* I be considering one..?
TIA,

Stroller.

I didn't say -you- shouldn't consider one, just that _I_ wouldn't. My
concern with Canon is their limited driver availability; Canon provides
drivers only for Windows and Mac, and third party drivers for their
printers that I've come across tend not to support newer features.
Other brands fare much better in this regard.

Al

 

[aprestn5]

I have seen just general prints (not hand picked) and they are *very*
good! Least expensive ink costs, good quality product, great warranty
(next day replacement), why would you not pick Canon

They don't supply drivers for my OS, nor do they support development of
third party drivers. One or the other of those (or both) are available for
most other brands, particularly HP, Epson and, to some extent, Lexmark. If
Canon drivers were to become available, I would then consider buying one.

Al

 

[Stroller]

I didn't say -you- shouldn't consider one, just that _I_ wouldn't. My
concern with Canon is their limited driver availability; Canon provides
drivers only for Windows and Mac, and third party drivers for their
printers that I've come across tend not to support newer features.
Other brands fare much better in this regard.

Cool. I don't print from Linux, but I have a networked postscript HP
LJ4 should I ever wish to do so. I've experienced the Global Macintosh
Driver Shortage in the past, so was rather pleased to see that Canon
covered these printers in that regard. I'll order one of these today.

Stroller.

 

[Stick Stickus]

I have the iP4000 and whilst I am only a 'point and click' Photo taker, I am
amazed at the quality of print I get from the printer. On Sunday last, I
printed 89 4' x 6' Glossy prints on Cartridge World 210gsm Glossy photo
paper and 12 A4 prints on Cartridge World 270gsm High Gloss Photo paper and
was 'gobsmacked by the results. The ink level monitor (although only an
approximation) still shows the cartridges to be full. The duplex systems
works perfectly too!

regards
Dave

 

[Josh]

Does the IP3000 and 4000 still use separate ink tanks which are
refillable? Do they have a 'chip' in them like Epson? Does the 4000
allow printing on the surface of CDs/DVDs?

 

[Stick Stickus]

Does the IP3000 and 4000 still use separate ink tanks which are
refillable?

Yes,

Do they have a 'chip' in them like Epson?

No,

Does the 4000 allow printing on the surface of CDs/DVDs?

Yes,

regards
Dave

 

[Jeff H]

Does the 4000 allow printing on the surface of CDs/DVDs?

Yes,

regards
Dave

We need to qualify that answer: The North American models of the ip3000 and
ip4000 DO NOT allow for direct CD/DVD printing. The same was the case for
the i860 (North American) which did not vs the i865 (everywhere else) which
would print direct.

Cheers,

Jeff H

 

[Stroller]

Does the IP3000 and 4000 still use separate ink tanks which are
refillable? Do they have a 'chip' in them like Epson? Does the 4000
allow printing on the surface of CDs/DVDs?

As per the other reply - all the answers to this are the right ones!
Separate ink tanks, no chip (ink level is detected optically), and
cd-printing.

I have two wishes about this unit:
- that worked with the Netgear PS-121 printer server I bought to go
with it
- that I could get it to print CDs from Adobe apps on my Mac, instead
of having to use the bundled CD-printing application
but those are just nitpicks - I can't complain about this unit at all.
Undoubtedly, now that I've bought one, Canon will next week announce a
network model.

Bought mine from eBuyer, choosing their standard 3 - 4 day delivery
service, and it arrived the next day.

Stroller.

 

[PC Medic]

Yes,

Do they have a 'chip' in them like Epson?

No,

Does the 4000 allow printing on the surface of CDs/DVDs?

Yes,

Note that the CD/DVD printing feature is only available in select countries
due to licensing issues.

 

[Howard9]

Sorry to veer slightly off topic...

Can anyone who has one of these ip3000 printers tell me ...

Is there a paper cartridge for loading the paper at the back of the
printer unity ?

I see it mentioned in the documentation but mine did not include it.

It is a terrific printer. I used to have Epson color 740 and 760 and
this is so far ahead.

I also love the duplex double sided printing !!

 

[Martin Trautmann]

Is there a paper cartridge for loading the paper at the back of the
printer unity ?

read the other postings:
it's on the front

I see it mentioned in the documentation but mine did not include it.

Check once again

Regards
Martin