10 Mbit cable vs 10/100 Mb cable

[asdf]

Have the following retractable cable from radioshack:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102725&cp=&kw=retractable&parentPage=search

Only works with my laptop when I choose 'Speed and Duplex' setting of '10
Mbit'.
When either 'Auto' or '100 Mbit' is chosen I can't even ping or get address
from DHCP server.

My understanding that all the networking cables were supposed to be the
same. But both of the
retractable cables that I have only work when 10mbit setting is chosen. Am I
correct in diagnosing
the problem--that these retractable cables are in fact 10mbit only cables.
Also are there any retractable cables
that are 10/100 mbit and will work on auto setting.

I've tried the same computer with regular non-retractable cables and the
connection works just fine.

thank you very much.

 

[Herb Martin]

Have the following retractable cable from radioshack:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102725&cp=&kw=retractable&parentPage=search

Only works with my laptop when I choose 'Speed and Duplex' setting of '10
Mbit'.
When either 'Auto' or '100 Mbit' is chosen I can't even ping or get
address
from DHCP server.

My understanding that all the networking cables were supposed to be the
same. But both of the
retractable cables that I have only work when 10mbit setting is chosen. Am
I
correct in diagnosing
the problem--that these retractable cables are in fact 10mbit only cables.

Or otherwise just not suitable. You would be shocked to learn
how much supposedly "100BaseT" wiring is NOT.

If it works with one cable and not another this is pretty much a
definitive test for a bad cable.

Also are there any retractable cables
that are 10/100 mbit and will work on auto setting.

Probably. Almost certainly.

I've tried the same computer with regular non-retractable cables and the
connection works just fine.

Cable testers now seem to be cheap (I saw an inexpensive one
just day before yesterday but didn't try it.)

 

[Charlie Tame]

The ad says CAT5e and that should be fine for 10/100 so there is certainly
something wrong. Either the ad is a complete lie (The most likely
explanation with it being Radio Shack) or the cable used in them is
defective. However since nobody has asked I am assuming the connection is
computer to router not computer to computer, for the latter you would need a
crossover cable.

If you are going computer to computer these cables are not suitable but may
work on half duplex 10.

Charlie

 

[Jim]

asdf wrote on 1/1/2006 10:44 PM:

Have the following retractable cable from radioshack:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102725&cp=&kw=retractable&parentPage=search

Only works with my laptop when I choose 'Speed and Duplex' setting of '10
Mbit'.
When either 'Auto' or '100 Mbit' is chosen I can't even ping or get address
from DHCP server.

My understanding that all the networking cables were supposed to be the
same. But both of the
retractable cables that I have only work when 10mbit setting is chosen. Am I
correct in diagnosing
the problem--that these retractable cables are in fact 10mbit only cables.
Also are there any retractable cables
that are 10/100 mbit and will work on auto setting.

I've tried the same computer with regular non-retractable cables and the
connection works just fine.

thank you very much.

That is usually a problem with your network adapter and not the cable.
Look for updated drivers to address the issue.

If this is for surfing the Internet, 10Mbs is fine since your Internet
connection is slower than that, unless you have the new Verizon FiOS. If
you are transferring files between PCs, just buy a standard Cat5 cable.

Jim

 

[asdf]

connection is between computer and router.
the laptop in question is ibm thinkpad T30 with latest drivers.
inserting any other cable other than the retractable ones works just fine.
As I said we have two of those retractable cables and neither one of them
works.
The only way to make them work is to set adapter to 10mbit setting.

 

[Jim]

asdf wrote on 1/2/2006 11:22 AM:

connection is between computer and router.
the laptop in question is ibm thinkpad T30 with latest drivers.
inserting any other cable other than the retractable ones works just fine.
As I said we have two of those retractable cables and neither one of them
works.
The only way to make them work is to set adapter to 10mbit setting.

I have seen this with certain adapters that are sensitive to problem
cables. I don't know how high quality a retractable cable is, but I
would guess not that high.

Good luck,

Jim

 

[Charlie Tame]

Well it should be fine if it is really CAT5e - is that actually printed on
the cable anywhere? If so consider returning them to the store.

On occasion tightly coiled cables or kinked cables will misbehave if they
are near the quality limit anyway, but since these are only 4 feet long it
seems very unlikely that fully uncoiling will make a difference... in any
case that negates the purpose of it's being retractable doesn't it?

Category 5 cable is phone wire, it has 8 conductors twisted into 4 pairs.
Your phone would use 1 pair (so you could run 4 separate lines down it) and
your computer uses 2 pairs (So you could have two network connections down
it). Normally only 4 conductors (two pairs) are used... but for runs where
there's only a single cat5 and I need 2 network lines I use all 4 pairs and
it works fine over even long distances - as long as it's good quality
cable... which is where the "e" comes in.

You cannot pick any 4 conductors from the 8 available you MUST use 2
pairs... and you must use the individual "Pair" appropriately, else you will
lose the quality of the signals. The fact that the "Pair" is twisted
together keeps interference out and stops that "Pair" interfering with
another "Pair". If you use cheap crap phone wire or fail to use "Pairs"
properly you will get exactly the problem you describe, and worse as the
wire gets longer.

So Cat3 is cheap ordinary 2 pair phone wire
Cat5 is 4 pair phone wire
Cat5e is "Enhanced" for networking

The "e" simply indicates it's twisted for optimum performance.

I just laid about 8000 feet of it at work with no problems at all so 4 feet
of any old wire should not present a problem, either Jim is right and you
have some really sensitive cards or else that wire is real junk.

Charlie

 

[asdf]

Well it should be fine if it is really CAT5e - is that actually printed on
the cable anywhere? If so consider returning them to the store.

No on the box it just says 'high-performance' I took it to mean that
it will work at 100mbit.

On occasion tightly coiled cables or kinked cables will misbehave if they
are near the quality limit anyway, but since these are only 4 feet long it
seems very unlikely that fully uncoiling will make a difference... in any
case that negates the purpose of it's being retractable doesn't it?

Just thought i should mention that the cable is flat and not round like the
regular
CAT5 cables. But i guess thats what you mean by 'uncoiled'

Category 5 cable is phone wire, it has 8 conductors twisted into 4 pairs.
Your phone would use 1 pair (so you could run 4 separate lines down it) and
your computer uses 2 pairs (So you could have two network connections down
it). Normally only 4 conductors (two pairs) are used... but for runs where
there's only a single cat5 and I need 2 network lines I use all 4 pairs and
it works fine over even long distances - as long as it's good quality
cable... which is where the "e" comes in.

You cannot pick any 4 conductors from the 8 available you MUST use 2
pairs... and you must use the individual "Pair" appropriately, else you will
lose the quality of the signals. The fact that the "Pair" is twisted
together keeps interference out and stops that "Pair" interfering with
another "Pair". If you use cheap crap phone wire or fail to use "Pairs"
properly you will get exactly the problem you describe, and worse as the
wire gets longer.

So Cat3 is cheap ordinary 2 pair phone wire
Cat5 is 4 pair phone wire
Cat5e is "Enhanced" for networking

The "e" simply indicates it's twisted for optimum performance.

I just laid about 8000 feet of it at work with no problems at all so 4 feet
of any old wire should not present a problem, either Jim is right and you
have some really sensitive cards or else that wire is real junk.

What bothers me about this is that i've tried 2 of these retractable cables.
The other one not being from RadioShack. I tried them with several different
PCs--one T30 laptop and another NetVista. I would definatelly suspect that
the cable is the main culprit because i've never observed such a problem
with
any other wires.

Charlie

thank you very much for responding

 

[Herb Martin]

Just thought i should mention that the cable is flat and not round like
the
regular
CAT5 cables. But i guess thats what you mean by 'uncoiled'

Ultimately it doesn't matter what the cable says or what
type of wire was used.

Only if it works. Even a bad (or badly installed) connector
can reduce a 'cable' (system) from CAT5 quality to something
less.

(FYI since it is not your issue: Pulling too hard on cable while
installing it is a great way to ruin it's ability to support high
speeds also.)

Find a cable that works. Use a rubber band, twist tie, or
(my favorite) a velcro tie-wrap if it doesn't retract.

 

[stephen]

No on the box it just says 'high-performance' I took it to mean that
it will work at 100mbit.

no - just mean there is something worse around.....

Just thought i should mention that the cable is flat and not round like the
regular
CAT5 cables. But i guess thats what you mean by 'uncoiled'

No. Cat "more or less anything" needs to have twisted pairs to work. if it
really is flat - ie. each wire sits in the jacket parallel to all the
others, then it is probably something like "silver satin" patch leads.

i have had cabling faults where a bit of silver sating used as a 2m patch
lead has been the problem -although those are on fixed wiring with longer
runs, it doesnt sound unreasonable for it only to work @ 10m
all 4 get used for Gigabit Ethernet.

but for runs where
phone wire (i.e. old BT stuff) is even lower quality. Cat 3 normally had 4
pairs on a PDS style fixed wiring system.

Cat 5 is actually fairly high spec - the spec gives frequency response and
noise cancellation. It was the 1st twisted pair cabling standard actually
intended to handle 100 Base-Tx Ethernet.

its just a bit better than Cat5.

There are several "better" cable types around, although not many standards
last time i checked, since there arent many copper connections at faster
than Gigabit. doesnt stop cabling companies talking about Cat6 and Cat7
though....

What bothers me about this is that i've tried 2 of these retractable cables.
The other one not being from RadioShack. I tried them with several different
PCs--one T30 laptop and another NetVista. I would definatelly suspect that
the cable is the main culprit because i've never observed such a problem
with
any other wires.

stick to a cat5 lead. If wieght and tangles are a problem, buy a few and
leave them in the various places you need a cable.

 

[Charlie Tame]

phone wire (i.e. old BT stuff) is even lower quality. Cat 3 normally had 4
pairs on a PDS style fixed wiring system.


Cat 5 is actually fairly high spec - the spec gives frequency response and
noise cancellation. It was the 1st twisted pair cabling standard actually
intended to handle 100 Base-Tx Ethernet.


its just a bit better than Cat5.

I probably should have used the word "Usually" in front of those comments,
but in any event the link supplied to radio shack's site specifically stated
Cat5e so I never suspected it was flat. Needless to say by "Uncoiled" I
meant "Stretched out to full length", not untwisted.

We actually have some older stuff installed that's stamped Cat5 but it's
about worthless, never really looked and it's okay for phones but it won't
do more than 10... however that's rather longer lengths and I have not tried
lengths of a few feet since it's pointless wasting time with it. I have
managed 10 down cheap nasty untwisted phone wire over quite a distance
(purely for experiment I hasten to add) but the packet loss is quite bad

Charlie