Dear Visual Studio .Net IDE development team:

Please, if it is at all possible, bring back the old Visual C++ IDE we had
with version 6. I know that it had some short comings, but it works very
well for what it is needed to do. I have been doing a trade study for the
company I work for regarding the upgrade to the new version of VC7, and
I'll admit that the compiler is GREAT! The debugger is nice, too; but the
IDE itself seems to be having a lot of growing pains.

I've been using the Visual C++ IDEs since version 1.5, and I have really
liked the fact that they are all *similar* to one another. The similarity
seems to have ended with version 7. For those of us who actually care,
can anyone on the team offer up an explanation (short, please) as to what
the thought process was when designing the new IDE? I've read many
newsgroup articles that slam the new IDE, and I can understand why the VS
IDE team would stay away from those. So, if anyone has time, I'd really
appreciate some insight into this topic.

Thanks,
Brian

<Brian> skrev i meddelandet news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Dear Visual Studio .Net IDE development team:
>
> Please, if it is at all possible, bring back the old Visual C++ IDE we had
> with version 6.

No, please don't!

:-)

My opinions on the IDE are that in some ways it's a lot better, in some ways it's a lot worse
It's a lot worse, in that
It's a whole lot slower! I had an AMD duron 1.3 with 192 MB SDRAM and it took about 25 - 30 seconds to load and open a solution. Using at least 2 instances at once would be a nightmare. I've now put another 512MB ram chip in it and it's acceptable now. But still! Must be the fact that it has to support all 3 languages. I've not got VB.NET installed as there's no way I'd ever use it. But it's still slow, and tests show that it uses a lot more memory when running. And when you put a project into run mode, the memory that VS.NET uses goes up , but when you put a project into run mode in VC6, the memory that msdev.exe uses actually goes down. It must therefore have a lot more complex debugging algorithms, but I haven't yet seen the benefit of all this extra memory
I also don't like the way there's no option to just invoke class wizard automatically. The whole point of MFC is that it does work for you
I also can't see why they took away the option to create a 'new project wizard' by simply pointing it at an existing project file. You have to either know the code to do it, or create it in VC6 and then manually import all the files into an empty project. What an arse

But, I like it better in that the intellisense is a LOT better, and I think the collapsible sections functionality is neat, albeit I don't often think to use it

I am often inclined to put up with the slowness and lack of project wizard just for the better intellisense

Comments?

Well, I really wasn't looking for a debate on the topic; and from the
looks of it, I won't be getting a response back from any of the MS VS IDE
team. Oh well, so much for that. Not a big surprise, really, but there's
still room for hope. Certainly *someone* from the team could spare a
minute or two for a response. Please.

> Comments?

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Brian

Brian <Brian> wrote:
> Well, I really wasn't looking for a debate on the topic; and from the
> looks of it, I won't be getting a response back from any of the MS VS IDE
> team. Oh well, so much for that. Not a big surprise, really, but there's
> still room for hope. Certainly *someone* from the team could spare a
> minute or two for a response. Please.

How about trying in the IDE newsgroup?

Schobi

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Where's the IDE newsgroup?

"Hendrik Schober" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Brian <Brian> wrote:
> > Well, I really wasn't looking for a debate on the topic; and from the
> > looks of it, I won't be getting a response back from any of the MS VS
IDE
> > team. Oh well, so much for that. Not a big surprise, really, but
there's
> > still room for hope. Certainly *someone* from the team could spare a
> > minute or two for a response. Please.
>
> How about trying in the IDE newsgroup?
>
> Schobi
>
> --
> (E-Mail Removed) is never read
> I'm Schobi at suespammers dot org
>
> "Sometimes compilers are so much more reasonable than people."
> Scott Meyers
>
>

Rudy Ray Moore <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Where's the IDE newsgroup?

I'd use microsoft.public.vsnet.ide
(on msnews.microsoft.com).

Schobi

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I'm Schobi at suespammers dot org

"Sometimes compilers are so much more reasonable than people."
Scott Meyers

Good suggestion. The reason I picked the VC newsgroup was basically due
to the fact that I'm a C++ developer. I'll try the other. Thanks.

Brian

> Rudy Ray Moore <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> Where's the IDE newsgroup?

> I'd use microsoft.public.vsnet.ide
> (on msnews.microsoft.com).

> Schobi

> --
> (E-Mail Removed) is never read
> I'm Schobi at suespammers dot org

> "Sometimes compilers are so much more reasonable than people."
> Scott Meyers



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Brian