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Christopher Hill
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      17th Mar 2004
As you may or may not be aware, a few people are having
problems with
Group Policy and/or DFS when they upgrade their existing
Windows 2000
domains to Windows Server 2003. The following is the
solution to this
problem for you to act upon:

--

On performing the upgrade, some people receive group
policy processing
errors on computers that look like the following:

Event Type: Error
Event Source: Userenv
Event Category: None
Event ID: 1058
Date: 27/10/2003
Time: 15:07:37
User: NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM
Computer: ADM01
Description:
Windows cannot access the file gpt.ini for GPO
cn={31B2F340-016D-11D2-945F-
00C04FB984F9},cn=policies,cn=system,DC=crgs,DC=local.
The file must be present at the location
<\\crgs.local\sysvol\crgs.local\Policies\{31B2F340-016D-
11D2-945F-00C04FB984F9}\gpt.ini>.
(The system cannot find the file specified. ). Group
Policy processing
aborted.

For more information, see Help and Support Center at
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.

Event Type: Error
Event Source: Userenv
Event Category: None
Event ID: 1030
Date: 27/10/2003
Time: 15:07:37
User: NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM
Computer: ADM01
Description:
Windows cannot query for the list of Group Policy objects.
A message
that describes the reason for this was previously logged
by the policy
engine.

For more information, see Help and Support Center at
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.

Others have problems accessing domain DFS shares, with an
error such
as:

'Configuration information could not be read from the
domain
controller, either because the machine is unavailable or
access is
denied'

--

I experienced these problems myself and I eventually
worked out that
it is all to do with the fact that under Windows Server
2003 domain
controllers (but not member servers) have the 'Microsoft
network
server: Digitally sign communications (always)' security
option
enabled by default.

The side effects of this change are documented in the
following page:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp
url=/technet/prodtechnol/windowsserver2003/proddocs/deployg
uide/dssbe_upnt_huxa.asp

but unfortunately one side-effect has not been taken into
account.
Many system administrators have experienced problems with
the SMB
signing feature of Windows 2000 causing slow network
access and
causing Word and other applications to hang when combined
with Windows
XP SP1.

These problems are documented in:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-
US;810907
and a hotfix available.

However, many system administrators have taken matters
into their own
hands and disabled SMB signing across the network with
Group Policy,
as I did. They followed instructions in guides like this
one:

http://asia.cnet.com/itmanager/netad...06400,39108281
,00.htm

to disable ***all four*** 'Microsoft network server'
signing settings.

However this causes a problem when the upgrade to Windows
Server 2003
occurs. Because the 'Microsoft network server: Digitally
sign
communications (if client agrees)' and 'Microsoft network
client:
Digitally sign communications (if server agrees)' options
are
DISABLED, it is impossible for any clients with these
settings to
connect to a Windows Server 2003 domain controller in the
default
configuration. The server REQUIRES signed packets - the
clients REFUSE
signed packets - so no channel can be established.

This breaks Group Policy and domain DFS links, both of
which (it
appears) require SMB communication with the domain
controller.

The problem goes even further though - as because many
people used
Group Policy to distribute the SMB signing changes, the
only way to
*reverse* the changes (without changing the registry) is
also through
Group Policy - and that is broken!

--

THEREFORE the solution to the problem is this:

1) Disable the 'Microsoft network server: Digitally sign
communications (always)' option on the Windows Server 2003
computer.
You can do this using the Local Security Settings admin
tools option.
However, if before the 2K3 server upgrade your domain
controller had
this setting set with Group Policy, you might have
problems. If you
do, then change the registry key directly on the domain
controller -
the registry key is:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\LanMan
Server\Parameters
RequireSecuritySignature (DWORD value, set it to 0 to
disable the
option)

2) Change your group policy object that disabled SMB
signing to only
have the 'Microsoft network server: Digitally sign
communications
(always)' and ''Microsoft network client: Digitally sign
communications (always)' disabled, if you still require
it. DO NOT SET
THE 'if client agrees' OR 'if server agrees' OPTIONS TO
DISABLED. It's
not necessary if you're applying this to all the computers
in your
domain.

3) If you want to enable the 'Microsoft network server:
Digitally sign
communications (always)' option again afterwards, only do
so once you
KNOW that all of the clients have received the update from
Step 2
(yes, this will mean you'll have to make sure they do a
group policy
refresh with secedit or gpupdate). When you re-enable this
option any
clients that still have 'if server agrees' set to DISABLED
will not be
able to talk to that server.

I hope this illuminates and helps some people.
 
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David Everett [MSFT]
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      17th Mar 2004
Thanks Christopher,

We are aware of this issue and we are currently regression testing a hotfix
that should be available in a couple of weeks. There is no KB Article yet.
--
David Everett
Microsoft Corporation

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

"Christopher Hill" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:ef5e01c40c1c$28a472a0$(E-Mail Removed)...
> As you may or may not be aware, a few people are having
> problems with
> Group Policy and/or DFS when they upgrade their existing
> Windows 2000
> domains to Windows Server 2003. The following is the
> solution to this
> problem for you to act upon:
>
> --
>
> On performing the upgrade, some people receive group
> policy processing
> errors on computers that look like the following:
>
> Event Type: Error
> Event Source: Userenv
> Event Category: None
> Event ID: 1058
> Date: 27/10/2003
> Time: 15:07:37
> User: NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM
> Computer: ADM01
> Description:
> Windows cannot access the file gpt.ini for GPO
> cn={31B2F340-016D-11D2-945F-
> 00C04FB984F9},cn=policies,cn=system,DC=crgs,DC=local.
> The file must be present at the location
> <\\crgs.local\sysvol\crgs.local\Policies\{31B2F340-016D-
> 11D2-945F-00C04FB984F9}\gpt.ini>.
> (The system cannot find the file specified. ). Group
> Policy processing
> aborted.
>
> For more information, see Help and Support Center at
> http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
>
> Event Type: Error
> Event Source: Userenv
> Event Category: None
> Event ID: 1030
> Date: 27/10/2003
> Time: 15:07:37
> User: NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM
> Computer: ADM01
> Description:
> Windows cannot query for the list of Group Policy objects.
> A message
> that describes the reason for this was previously logged
> by the policy
> engine.
>
> For more information, see Help and Support Center at
> http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
>
> Others have problems accessing domain DFS shares, with an
> error such
> as:
>
> 'Configuration information could not be read from the
> domain
> controller, either because the machine is unavailable or
> access is
> denied'
>
> --
>
> I experienced these problems myself and I eventually
> worked out that
> it is all to do with the fact that under Windows Server
> 2003 domain
> controllers (but not member servers) have the 'Microsoft
> network
> server: Digitally sign communications (always)' security
> option
> enabled by default.
>
> The side effects of this change are documented in the
> following page:
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?
> url=/technet/prodtechnol/windowsserver2003/proddocs/deployg
> uide/dssbe_upnt_huxa.asp
>
> but unfortunately one side-effect has not been taken into
> account.
> Many system administrators have experienced problems with
> the SMB
> signing feature of Windows 2000 causing slow network
> access and
> causing Word and other applications to hang when combined
> with Windows
> XP SP1.
>
> These problems are documented in:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-
> US;810907
> and a hotfix available.
>
> However, many system administrators have taken matters
> into their own
> hands and disabled SMB signing across the network with
> Group Policy,
> as I did. They followed instructions in guides like this
> one:
>
> http://asia.cnet.com/itmanager/netad...06400,39108281
> ,00.htm
>
> to disable ***all four*** 'Microsoft network server'
> signing settings.
>
> However this causes a problem when the upgrade to Windows
> Server 2003
> occurs. Because the 'Microsoft network server: Digitally
> sign
> communications (if client agrees)' and 'Microsoft network
> client:
> Digitally sign communications (if server agrees)' options
> are
> DISABLED, it is impossible for any clients with these
> settings to
> connect to a Windows Server 2003 domain controller in the
> default
> configuration. The server REQUIRES signed packets - the
> clients REFUSE
> signed packets - so no channel can be established.
>
> This breaks Group Policy and domain DFS links, both of
> which (it
> appears) require SMB communication with the domain
> controller.
>
> The problem goes even further though - as because many
> people used
> Group Policy to distribute the SMB signing changes, the
> only way to
> *reverse* the changes (without changing the registry) is
> also through
> Group Policy - and that is broken!
>
> --
>
> THEREFORE the solution to the problem is this:
>
> 1) Disable the 'Microsoft network server: Digitally sign
> communications (always)' option on the Windows Server 2003
> computer.
> You can do this using the Local Security Settings admin
> tools option.
> However, if before the 2K3 server upgrade your domain
> controller had
> this setting set with Group Policy, you might have
> problems. If you
> do, then change the registry key directly on the domain
> controller -
> the registry key is:
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\LanMan
> Server\Parameters
> RequireSecuritySignature (DWORD value, set it to 0 to
> disable the
> option)
>
> 2) Change your group policy object that disabled SMB
> signing to only
> have the 'Microsoft network server: Digitally sign
> communications
> (always)' and ''Microsoft network client: Digitally sign
> communications (always)' disabled, if you still require
> it. DO NOT SET
> THE 'if client agrees' OR 'if server agrees' OPTIONS TO
> DISABLED. It's
> not necessary if you're applying this to all the computers
> in your
> domain.
>
> 3) If you want to enable the 'Microsoft network server:
> Digitally sign
> communications (always)' option again afterwards, only do
> so once you
> KNOW that all of the clients have received the update from
> Step 2
> (yes, this will mean you'll have to make sure they do a
> group policy
> refresh with secedit or gpupdate). When you re-enable this
> option any
> clients that still have 'if server agrees' set to DISABLED
> will not be
> able to talk to that server.
>
> I hope this illuminates and helps some people.



 
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Stevendavis84
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      7th Apr 2004

I was experiencing a similar problem. After setting the Digitally sig
communications (always)' disabled options shown above we still receive
"access denied". This is with a new install 2003 server (not a
upgrade). We had to make the registry change to gain access. Th
registry change is
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\LanMan
Server\Parameters RequireSecuritySignature (DWORD value, set it to 0 t
disable the option


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