Hello Group, About a year ago, I bought 2 WD Caviar SE-Serial ATA drives
(WD3000JD) within a week of each other. Installed them in the computer and
used them for VIDEO_TS directories - using the second drive as a backup.

A few months ago the first drive DIED...TOTALLY.... within a week, the
second drive DIED..! I

Bummer......... Although I did back up ALL of the data when the first drive
failed.

Went through the warrantee process with WD and within a week, I had 2
replacement drives.

BUT... they are labeled as "Recertified" - Ohhhhh... Bummer..!

My experience with Refurb, or remanufactured, or "Recertified drives isn't
really good...!

Should I trust these drive with DATA or...

Should I just use the drives as doorstops..???

Wondering..!

Starz_Kid...

Starz_Kid wrote:
> Hello Group, About a year ago, I bought 2 WD Caviar SE-Serial ATA drives
> (WD3000JD) within a week of each other. Installed them in the computer and
> used them for VIDEO_TS directories - using the second drive as a backup.
>
> A few months ago the first drive DIED...TOTALLY.... within a week, the
> second drive DIED..! I
>
> Bummer......... Although I did back up ALL of the data when the first drive
> failed.
>
> Went through the warrantee process with WD and within a week, I had 2
> replacement drives.
>
> BUT... they are labeled as "Recertified" - Ohhhhh... Bummer..!
>
> My experience with Refurb, or remanufactured, or "Recertified drives isn't
> really good...!
>
> Should I trust these drive with DATA or...
>
> Should I just use the drives as doorstops..???
>
> Wondering..!
>
> Starz_Kid...

My shop sees refurbished drives from time to time. Their failure rate
has not been noticibly higher than other drives.

That said. Always have a backup, whether or not your drives are new.

Starz_Kid <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Hello Group, About a year ago, I bought 2 WD Caviar SE-Serial ATA
> drives (WD3000JD) within a week of each other. Installed them in the
> computer and used them for VIDEO_TS directories - using the second
> drive as a backup.

> A few months ago the first drive DIED...TOTALLY....
> within a week, the second drive DIED..! I

Worth checking the drive temperature with Everest.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181

Simultaneous drive failure is usually due to the system the drives are in.

> Bummer......... Although I did back up
> ALL of the data when the first drive failed.

> Went through the warrantee process with WD
> and within a week, I had 2 replacement drives.

> BUT... they are labeled as "Recertified" - Ohhhhh... Bummer..!

> My experience with Refurb, or remanufactured,
> or "Recertified drives isn't really good...!

> Should I trust these drive with DATA or...

> Should I just use the drives as doorstops..???

> Wondering..!

Since you do have a decent backup strategy,
you arent taking much risk by using them.

I'd certainly check the environment they are being used in tho.

The fact that both the new WD died within a year is question enough to
wonder what kind of quality those drives are in the first place even without
putting a re-certified drive into service to follow them. I would go with
another brand.

--
Jan Alter
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or
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"Rod Speed" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Starz_Kid <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> Hello Group, About a year ago, I bought 2 WD Caviar SE-Serial ATA
>> drives (WD3000JD) within a week of each other. Installed them in the
>> computer and used them for VIDEO_TS directories - using the second
>> drive as a backup.
>
>> A few months ago the first drive DIED...TOTALLY....
>> within a week, the second drive DIED..! I
>
> Worth checking the drive temperature with Everest.
> http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181
>
> Simultaneous drive failure is usually due to the system the drives are in.
>
>> Bummer......... Although I did back up
>> ALL of the data when the first drive failed.
>
>> Went through the warrantee process with WD
>> and within a week, I had 2 replacement drives.
>
>> BUT... they are labeled as "Recertified" - Ohhhhh... Bummer..!
>
>> My experience with Refurb, or remanufactured,
>> or "Recertified drives isn't really good...!
>
>> Should I trust these drive with DATA or...
>
>> Should I just use the drives as doorstops..???
>
>> Wondering..!
>
> Since you do have a decent backup strategy,
> you arent taking much risk by using them.
>
> I'd certainly check the environment they are being used in tho.
>

I would first check my power supply for stable voltages.
what kind of PS do you have ?

--
Alan Kakareka
Data Recovery Service
786-253-8286 cell
http://www.247recovery.com
--
"Jan Alter" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:C%7ng.3937$Wl.3088@trnddc01...
> The fact that both the new WD died within a year is question enough to
> wonder what kind of quality those drives are in the first place even
> without putting a re-certified drive into service to follow them. I would
> go with another brand.
>
> --
> Jan Alter
> (E-Mail Removed)
> or
> (E-Mail Removed)
> "Rod Speed" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Starz_Kid <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Group, About a year ago, I bought 2 WD Caviar SE-Serial ATA
>>> drives (WD3000JD) within a week of each other. Installed them in the
>>> computer and used them for VIDEO_TS directories - using the second
>>> drive as a backup.
>>
>>> A few months ago the first drive DIED...TOTALLY....
>>> within a week, the second drive DIED..! I
>>
>> Worth checking the drive temperature with Everest.
>> http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181
>>
>> Simultaneous drive failure is usually due to the system the drives are
>> in.
>>
>>> Bummer......... Although I did back up
>>> ALL of the data when the first drive failed.
>>
>>> Went through the warrantee process with WD
>>> and within a week, I had 2 replacement drives.
>>
>>> BUT... they are labeled as "Recertified" - Ohhhhh... Bummer..!
>>
>>> My experience with Refurb, or remanufactured,
>>> or "Recertified drives isn't really good...!
>>
>>> Should I trust these drive with DATA or...
>>
>>> Should I just use the drives as doorstops..???
>>
>>> Wondering..!
>>
>> Since you do have a decent backup strategy,
>> you arent taking much risk by using them.
>>
>> I'd certainly check the environment they are being used in tho.
>>
>
>

*** top-posting corrected ***
Alan Kakareka wrote:
> "Jan Alter" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> "Rod Speed" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> Starz_Kid <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Group, About a year ago, I bought 2 WD Caviar SE-Serial
>>>> ATA drives (WD3000JD) within a week of each other. Installed
>>>> them in the computer and used them for VIDEO_TS directories -
>>>> using the second drive as a backup.
>>>
>>>> A few months ago the first drive DIED...TOTALLY....
>>>> within a week, the second drive DIED..! I
>>>
>>> Worth checking the drive temperature with Everest.
>>> http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181
>>>
>>> Simultaneous drive failure is usually due to the system the
>>> drives are in.
>>>
.... snip ...
>>>
>>>> BUT... they are labeled as "Recertified" - Ohhhhh... Bummer..!
>>>
>>>> My experience with Refurb, or remanufactured,
>>>> or "Recertified drives isn't really good...!
>>>
>>>> Should I trust these drive with DATA or...
>>>> Should I just use the drives as doorstops..???
>>>
>>> Since you do have a decent backup strategy,
>>> you arent taking much risk by using them.
>>>
>>> I'd certainly check the environment they are being used in tho.
>>
>> The fact that both the new WD died within a year is question
>> enough to wonder what kind of quality those drives are in the
>> first place even without putting a re-certified drive into
>> service to follow them. I would go with another brand.
>
> I would first check my power supply for stable voltages.
> what kind of PS do you have ?

I corrected this before adding my suggestion that the drives are
running too hot, and to look to the cooling system. After removing
the evil top-posting I see that had already been suggested, and
lost in the confusion.

--
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Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems.
<http://cbfalconer.home.att.net> USE maineline address!

On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 14:29:02 -0400, CBFalconer <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>I corrected this before adding my suggestion that the drives are
>running too hot, and to look to the cooling system. After removing
>the evil top-posting I see that had already been suggested, and
>lost in the confusion.

I do not know if this was recommended but people should implement
MotherBoardMonitor.

http://www.3degs.net/index.php?page=...ebfiles&file=9

It has provision for tracking SMART temp so you can at least see
something like a spike.

According to WD tech support, the Caviar line has a max. service temp
of 55C. That's plenty hot.


--

"It's impossible to obtain a conviction for sodomy from
an English jury. Half of them don't believe that it can
physically be done, and the other half are doing it."
--Winston Churchill

"Rod Speed" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Starz_Kid <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> > Hello Group, About a year ago, I bought 2 WD Caviar SE-Serial ATA
> > drives (WD3000JD) within a week of each other. Installed them in the
> > computer and used them for VIDEO_TS directories - using the second
> > drive as a backup.
>
> > A few months ago the first drive DIED...TOTALLY....
> > within a week, the second drive DIED..! I
>
> Worth checking the drive temperature with Everest.
> http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181
>
> Simultaneous drive failure is usually due to the system the drives are in.
>
> > Bummer......... Although I did back up
> > ALL of the data when the first drive failed.
>
> > Went through the warrantee process with WD
> > and within a week, I had 2 replacement drives.
>
> > BUT... they are labeled as "Recertified" - Ohhhhh... Bummer..!
>
> > My experience with Refurb, or remanufactured,
> > or "Recertified drives isn't really good...!
>
> > Should I trust these drive with DATA or...
>
> > Should I just use the drives as doorstops..???
>
> > Wondering..!
>
> Since you do have a decent backup strategy,
> you arent taking much risk by using them.
>
> I'd certainly check the environment they are being used in tho.
>
>

Hello Rod Speed, I use an Enermax model 2200 case . . . and EVERY Hard
Drive has it's own High Speed fan for cooling...! EVERY DRIVE...! Airflow
is from ALL sides..!

Starz_Kid...

Hello Alan K (Top posting cause you did...!)

I only use recognized brand name power supplies... NO junk here..!

Starz_Kid...


"Alan Kakareka" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:SNydnVVrQoD14wDZnZ2dnUVZ_r-(E-Mail Removed)...
> I would first check my power supply for stable voltages.
> what kind of PS do you have ?
>
> --
> Alan Kakareka
> Data Recovery Service
> 786-253-8286 cell
> http://www.247recovery.com
> --
> "Jan Alter" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:C%7ng.3937$Wl.3088@trnddc01...
> > The fact that both the new WD died within a year is question enough to
> > wonder what kind of quality those drives are in the first place even
> > without putting a re-certified drive into service to follow them. I
would
> > go with another brand.
> >
> > --
> > Jan Alter
> > (E-Mail Removed)
> > or
> > (E-Mail Removed)
> > "Rod Speed" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> Starz_Kid <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello Group, About a year ago, I bought 2 WD Caviar SE-Serial ATA
> >>> drives (WD3000JD) within a week of each other. Installed them in the
> >>> computer and used them for VIDEO_TS directories - using the second
> >>> drive as a backup.
> >>
> >>> A few months ago the first drive DIED...TOTALLY....
> >>> within a week, the second drive DIED..! I
> >>
> >> Worth checking the drive temperature with Everest.
> >> http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181
> >>
> >> Simultaneous drive failure is usually due to the system the drives are
> >> in.
> >>
> >>> Bummer......... Although I did back up
> >>> ALL of the data when the first drive failed.
> >>
> >>> Went through the warrantee process with WD
> >>> and within a week, I had 2 replacement drives.
> >>
> >>> BUT... they are labeled as "Recertified" - Ohhhhh... Bummer..!
> >>
> >>> My experience with Refurb, or remanufactured,
> >>> or "Recertified drives isn't really good...!
> >>
> >>> Should I trust these drive with DATA or...
> >>
> >>> Should I just use the drives as doorstops..???
> >>
> >>> Wondering..!
> >>
> >> Since you do have a decent backup strategy,
> >> you arent taking much risk by using them.
> >>
> >> I'd certainly check the environment they are being used in tho.
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

"Bob" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 14:29:02 -0400, CBFalconer <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
> >I corrected this before adding my suggestion that the drives are
> >running too hot, and to look to the cooling system. After removing
> >the evil top-posting I see that had already been suggested, and
> >lost in the confusion.
>
> I do not know if this was recommended but people should implement
> MotherBoardMonitor.
>
> http://www.3degs.net/index.php?page=...ebfiles&file=9
>
> It has provision for tracking SMART temp so you can at least see
> something like a spike.
>
> According to WD tech support, the Caviar line has a max. service temp
> of 55C. That's plenty hot.
>
>
> --
>
> "It's impossible to obtain a conviction for sodomy from
> an English jury. Half of them don't believe that it can
> physically be done, and the other half are doing it."
> --Winston Churchill

Hello Bob, Cooling was not an issue as each drive in my computer has air
flow on ALL surfaces. I suspect a bad run of the drives - or a bad desigh
as Seagate only made these drives for a short time. Then went with a new
part number...!

Starz_Kid...