Priceless response Adam. Thank you.

"Adam Albright" wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:03:00 -0700, Carey Frisch [MVP]
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> >Your problem is easily solved! You can purchase a
> >Windows Vista Certified scanner for under $50 and
> >a new webcam for under $25.
>
> Suggesting someone spend MORE after blowing a pile of money on Vista
> that you keep crowing is the best OS "ever". Wow, I'm impressed with
> you. Honest.
>
> Reality check:
>
> Cost of Vista Home Premium.... apx $120
> required new graphic card..... apx $180
> add 1 GM memory............... apx $110
> new printer................... apx $150
> new scanner................... apx $ 80
> new wecam..................... apx $ 40
> $680
>
> Aggravation and time to get all
> this new stuff to work......... priceless
>
>
>
>

Bill,

Q. Why would Vista not allow for backward compatible drivers so that
existing equipment would be supported?

A. Because Microsoft conspires with hardware companies so that everyone
will have to do what Adam posted, and spend tons of money just to keep doing,
what they've always done!


"Bill" wrote:

>
>
> "radelster" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:4E211BAE-63D8-4C50-9A83-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista
> > pre-installed, no options for XP.
> >
> > I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.
> >
> > I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver
> >
> >
> > So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and buy
> > all
> > new hardware!!
> >
> > This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.
>
> As you have probably heard its not Vista or MS that doesn't have drivers, it's
> the manufacturer of your scanner and webcam that should have either provided
> drivers to MS or their users. Clearly they want you to purchase new
> hardware.
>
> Once again its not a MS problem.
>
> Bill
>
>
>

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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "radelster" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista
>>>>>>> pre-installed, no options for XP.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and
>>>>>>> buy all
>>>>>>> new hardware!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a new version Ubuntu 8.04 coming out next Thursday, why
>>>>>> don't you
>>>>>> give it a try. See whether you like it and what it can offer you.
>>>>>
>>>>> He is already having enough trouble. Why put some piece of crap OS
>>>>> like Ubuntu in the mix? You think he doesn't like computers now?
>>>>> Wait till he trys and get Ubuntu to do what he wants. He will toss the
>>>>> baby out with the bathwater.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I installed Ubuntu once, Webcam Did not work (Logitech Communicate
>>>> STX), Wireless USB adapter did not work (D-Link), No sound drivers
>>>> (Creative Fx-i) Could not get widescreen resolutions to work (Nvidia
>>>> 8800GT) never mind getting software to work right.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And did you use the Live CD to TEST all that or did you just dive right
>>> in like the idiot it seems you are?
>>
>> The Live CD runs then you are screwed because your wireless network does
>> not work to get any updates or drivers. I install the OS and the problem
>> is still there now what?
>>
>
> How about you ask in an UBUNTU forum?
I am not asking for help. I am making a point that Ubuntu is useless and
does not work as some that post in this NG would like us to believe. If I
was not happy with XP pro and Vista I would go with an Apple system like a
Mac Pro.

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:39:03 -0700, radelster wrote:

> Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista
> pre-installed, no options for XP.

DELL, for one, still offers a selection of computers for sale with xp
rather than vista installed. They also offer several with Ubuntu Linux
installed in place of any MS offering.


>
> I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.
>
> I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver
>
>
> So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and buy
> all new hardware!!
>
> This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:46:44 -0700, Frank wrote:

> radelster wrote:
>> Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista
>> pre-installed, no options for XP.
>>
>> I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.
>
> What model is your scanner?
>>
>> I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver
>
> What model is your webcam?
>>
>>
>> So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and
>> buy all new hardware!!
>
> I've got hardware that is 5-7yrs old that works with Vista.
>>
>> This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.
>
> Oh? You've found an OS that has more compatibility than Windows? Pray
> tell what it is?
> Frank
>>

Linux.

ray wrote:

>>Oh? You've found an OS that has more compatibility than Windows? Pray
>>tell what it is?
>>Frank
>>
>
> Linux.

Liar!
Frank

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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "radelster" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista
>>>>>>>> pre-installed, no options for XP.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out
>>>>>>>> and buy all
>>>>>>>> new hardware!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is a new version Ubuntu 8.04 coming out next Thursday, why
>>>>>>> don't you
>>>>>>> give it a try. See whether you like it and what it can offer you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He is already having enough trouble. Why put some piece of crap OS
>>>>>> like Ubuntu in the mix? You think he doesn't like computers now?
>>>>>> Wait till he trys and get Ubuntu to do what he wants. He will toss
>>>>>> the baby out with the bathwater.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I installed Ubuntu once, Webcam Did not work (Logitech Communicate
>>>>> STX), Wireless USB adapter did not work (D-Link), No sound drivers
>>>>> (Creative Fx-i) Could not get widescreen resolutions to work (Nvidia
>>>>> 8800GT) never mind getting software to work right.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And did you use the Live CD to TEST all that or did you just dive right
>>>> in like the idiot it seems you are?
>>>
>>> The Live CD runs then you are screwed because your wireless network does
>>> not work to get any updates or drivers. I install the OS and the problem
>>> is still there now what?
>>>
>>
>> How about you ask in an UBUNTU forum?
> I am not asking for help. I am making a point that Ubuntu is useless and
> does not work as some that post in this NG would like us to believe.

And Vista is useless and does not work as some others in this forum would
have us believe....

"xfile" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> Blaming and insulting a frustrated customer is the worst thing that could
> happen, assuming you are pro MS and not send by Linux community,
> otherwise, you have done an excellent job.
>
> You and a few other fanbois really are the biggest enemy of the company by
> insulting and attacking their paying and suffering customers. Linux and
> Apple all owe you a big thank you. Keep Up the Good Work!!!

Actually, I suspect Microsoft encourages it. If they were smart they would
let vendors boot up and ask the user which OS they want, "Will that be
Vista, XP or other".

But Microsoft enjoys it when users are not happy with Vista and re-purchase
a second OS called XP. Gives them more revenue. This isn't customer
friendly.

http://www.blimptv.net/mostpopularV1.html



> "David B." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> So you failed to do research before you bought your new PC, typical for
>> people that rant afterwards about compatibility issues. If you HAD done
>> research you would have determined that you can still get a PC with XP on
>> it, you would have also determined that the hardware you mentioned wasn't
>> compatible.
>>
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>>
>> "radelster" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:4E211BAE-63D8-4C50-9A83-(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista
>>> pre-installed, no options for XP.
>>>
>>> I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.
>>>
>>> I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver
>>>
>>>
>>> So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and buy
>>> all
>>> new hardware!!
>>>
>>> This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.
>>>
>>
>
>

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:44E53281-68DC-4FEA-BC41-(E-Mail Removed)...

> Your problem is easily solved! You can purchase a
> Windows Vista Certified scanner for under $50 and
> a new webcam for under $25.

Just proves the point, Vista will cost many more than they thought.

>
> Canon CanoScan LiDE 25 0307B001 1200 x 2400 dpi 48bit USB Interface
> Flatbed
> Scanner - Retail:
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16838111121
>
> Microsoft LifeCam VX-1000 0.31 MP Effective Pixels 640 x 480 30fps USB
> Interface WebCam - Retail:
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16826105054
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Desktop Experience -
> Windows System & Performance
>
>
>
>
> "radelster" wrote:
>
>> Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista
>> pre-installed, no options for XP.
>>
>> I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.
>>
>> I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver
>>
>>
>> So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and buy
>> all
>> new hardware!!
>>
>> This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.
>>

"radelster" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:4E211BAE-63D8-4C50-9A83-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista
> pre-installed, no options for XP.
>
> I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.
>
> I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver
>
>
> So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and buy
> all
> new hardware!!
>
> This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.
>


If it were me, I believe I would raise heck with the scanner mfg, for NOT
developing drivers, for Vista, on just a 2 year old scanner.
Same with the webcam, although if it is an older one probably
understandable, those things pretty cheap these days.

I have an HP Printer/scanner that is even older than two years, that they
offered Vista drivers for, even for 64 bit Vista that I am running.





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