I have an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro which has been having problems with the
TV-Out capability. ATI has been less than helpful in trying to help
me resolve them. The issue is the quality of the picture is very
poor. Before anyone interjects and says TV-Out quality is normally
poor, I am aware of that, but it is even worse than it should be.
Specifically what I am seeing is as follows: While the PC boots the
TV-Out quality is as expected. I can clearly see my POST and early
boot-up sequence. The Windows XP splash screen looks perfect, than
right when the scrolling progress indicator on the splash screen
pauses (mine always pauses for a split second after being up for a few
seconds.) the picture becomes very snowy. Shortly thereafter the
picture goes away entirely. Now this happens whether I have any ATI
specific driver loaded or not. (That is to say, even with no ATI or
Windows drivers for the 9800 Pro loaded, I get TV-Out up to this
point.) If I do have the latest 9800 Pro drivers loaded, I must
enable TV-Out from the driver control panel, however the quality is
still very poor as mentioned above. I had a 9700 Pro in the past
which seemed to work fine (except it would overheat so ATI sent me a
new 9800 Pro replacement)
Additionally, after messing around with it for a while, I decided to
re-install Windows from scratch. Everything worked perfectly for a
few weeks (including TV-
Out) but then just today, the problem came back. There is nothing I
can put my finger on in terms of software I have installed, or driver
updates I may have gotten to cause the issue. I have obviously
re-installed all the video drivers to no avail. I have also
un-installed anything I could think of since It last worked. No dice.
Tried restoring to a restore point where I know it worked, still no
help.
If anyone knows of any issues, has seen this problem before, or has
any info on how I can proceed, I would appreciate it very much. I am
a software engineer, so no need to dumb it down for me.
I am currently running SP2 with all the latest updates. However as
mentioned before, I have not updated Windows in the recent past so it
did work with SP2 installed previously.

Just an idea:

Check the frequency. on the back of the tv it will say 120 volt, 60hz ,
make sure the frequency is set the same on the computer.

The reson it may be clear while booting is the system uses the bios
defaults, then widows takes control once its booted

control panel>display>settings>advanced>monitor


"Dan K" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> I have an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro which has been having problems with the
> TV-Out capability. ATI has been less than helpful in trying to help
> me resolve them. The issue is the quality of the picture is very
> poor. Before anyone interjects and says TV-Out quality is normally
> poor, I am aware of that, but it is even worse than it should be.
> Specifically what I am seeing is as follows: While the PC boots the
> TV-Out quality is as expected. I can clearly see my POST and early
> boot-up sequence. The Windows XP splash screen looks perfect, than
> right when the scrolling progress indicator on the splash screen
> pauses (mine always pauses for a split second after being up for a few
> seconds.) the picture becomes very snowy. Shortly thereafter the
> picture goes away entirely. Now this happens whether I have any ATI
> specific driver loaded or not. (That is to say, even with no ATI or
> Windows drivers for the 9800 Pro loaded, I get TV-Out up to this
> point.) If I do have the latest 9800 Pro drivers loaded, I must
> enable TV-Out from the driver control panel, however the quality is
> still very poor as mentioned above. I had a 9700 Pro in the past
> which seemed to work fine (except it would overheat so ATI sent me a
> new 9800 Pro replacement)
> Additionally, after messing around with it for a while, I decided to
> re-install Windows from scratch. Everything worked perfectly for a
> few weeks (including TV-
> Out) but then just today, the problem came back. There is nothing I
> can put my finger on in terms of software I have installed, or driver
> updates I may have gotten to cause the issue. I have obviously
> re-installed all the video drivers to no avail. I have also
> un-installed anything I could think of since It last worked. No dice.
> Tried restoring to a restore point where I know it worked, still no
> help.
> If anyone knows of any issues, has seen this problem before, or has
> any info on how I can proceed, I would appreciate it very much. I am
> a software engineer, so no need to dumb it down for me.
> I am currently running SP2 with all the latest updates. However as
> mentioned before, I have not updated Windows in the recent past so it
> did work with SP2 installed previously.

JOhn, <(E-Mail Removed)>, the sordid, stative fathead, and domestic help,
sent forth:

> Just an idea:
>
> Check the frequency. on the back of the tv it will say 120 volt,
> 60hz , make sure the frequency is set the same on the computer.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAAH!!!!

> The reson it may be clear while booting is the system uses the bios
> defaults, then widows takes control once its booted
>
> control panel>display>settings>advanced>monitor
>
>
> "Dan K" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> I have an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro which has been having problems with the
>> TV-Out capability. ATI has been less than helpful in trying to help
>> me resolve them. The issue is the quality of the picture is very
>> poor. Before anyone interjects and says TV-Out quality is normally
>> poor, I am aware of that, but it is even worse than it should be.
>> Specifically what I am seeing is as follows: While the PC boots the
>> TV-Out quality is as expected. I can clearly see my POST and early
>> boot-up sequence. The Windows XP splash screen looks perfect, than
>> right when the scrolling progress indicator on the splash screen
>> pauses (mine always pauses for a split second after being up for a
>> few seconds.) the picture becomes very snowy. Shortly thereafter the
>> picture goes away entirely. Now this happens whether I have any ATI
>> specific driver loaded or not. (That is to say, even with no ATI or
>> Windows drivers for the 9800 Pro loaded, I get TV-Out up to this
>> point.) If I do have the latest 9800 Pro drivers loaded, I must
>> enable TV-Out from the driver control panel, however the quality is
>> still very poor as mentioned above. I had a 9700 Pro in the past
>> which seemed to work fine (except it would overheat so ATI sent me a
>> new 9800 Pro replacement)
>> Additionally, after messing around with it for a while, I decided to
>> re-install Windows from scratch. Everything worked perfectly for a
>> few weeks (including TV-
>> Out) but then just today, the problem came back. There is nothing I
>> can put my finger on in terms of software I have installed, or driver
>> updates I may have gotten to cause the issue. I have obviously
>> re-installed all the video drivers to no avail. I have also
>> un-installed anything I could think of since It last worked. No
>> dice. Tried restoring to a restore point where I know it worked,
>> still no help.
>> If anyone knows of any issues, has seen this problem before, or has
>> any info on how I can proceed, I would appreciate it very much. I am
>> a software engineer, so no need to dumb it down for me.
>> I am currently running SP2 with all the latest updates. However as
>> mentioned before, I have not updated Windows in the recent past so it
>> did work with SP2 installed previously.

--
"Slother" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed):

> hear are some dicionanry definations

Thanks John, but the 9800 Pro (and most newer video cards) have a
seperate DAC for the TV-Out (S-video) connector, which is forced to
60Hz, regardless of the frequency of the VGA output. Besides if the
frequency weren't matched there would be an even more pronounced
problem such as scrolling and tearing of the image, not just a snowy
image.
Thanks for the idea though, glad to see some good feedback.

Dan K.

"JOhn" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:<loBjd.143740$nl.137676@pd7tw3no>...
> Just an idea:
>
> Check the frequency. on the back of the tv it will say 120 volt, 60hz ,
> make sure the frequency is set the same on the computer.
>
> The reson it may be clear while booting is the system uses the bios
> defaults, then widows takes control once its booted
>
> control panel>display>settings>advanced>monitor
>
>
> "Dan K" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > I have an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro which has been having problems with the
> > TV-Out capability. ATI has been less than helpful in trying to help
> > me resolve them. The issue is the quality of the picture is very
> > poor. Before anyone interjects and says TV-Out quality is normally
> > poor, I am aware of that, but it is even worse than it should be.
> > Specifically what I am seeing is as follows: While the PC boots the
> > TV-Out quality is as expected. I can clearly see my POST and early
> > boot-up sequence. The Windows XP splash screen looks perfect, than
> > right when the scrolling progress indicator on the splash screen
> > pauses (mine always pauses for a split second after being up for a few
> > seconds.) the picture becomes very snowy. Shortly thereafter the
> > picture goes away entirely. Now this happens whether I have any ATI
> > specific driver loaded or not. (That is to say, even with no ATI or
> > Windows drivers for the 9800 Pro loaded, I get TV-Out up to this
> > point.) If I do have the latest 9800 Pro drivers loaded, I must
> > enable TV-Out from the driver control panel, however the quality is
> > still very poor as mentioned above. I had a 9700 Pro in the past
> > which seemed to work fine (except it would overheat so ATI sent me a
> > new 9800 Pro replacement)
> > Additionally, after messing around with it for a while, I decided to
> > re-install Windows from scratch. Everything worked perfectly for a
> > few weeks (including TV-
> > Out) but then just today, the problem came back. There is nothing I
> > can put my finger on in terms of software I have installed, or driver
> > updates I may have gotten to cause the issue. I have obviously
> > re-installed all the video drivers to no avail. I have also
> > un-installed anything I could think of since It last worked. No dice.
> > Tried restoring to a restore point where I know it worked, still no
> > help.
> > If anyone knows of any issues, has seen this problem before, or has
> > any info on how I can proceed, I would appreciate it very much. I am
> > a software engineer, so no need to dumb it down for me.
> > I am currently running SP2 with all the latest updates. However as
> > mentioned before, I have not updated Windows in the recent past so it
> > did work with SP2 installed previously.

Quick update...
It appears the problem is caused by my Sound Blaster Audigy. It turns
out if I disable the digital audio output on the Audigy (which by the
way is connected to the same amplifier that receives the S-Video
input) the problem goes away. Of course now I don't have sound!
(Simply disconnecting the RCA cable accomplishes the same as turning
it off in the driver.) The reason it worked for a while was because I
just recently reconnected the digital audio output after re-installing
Windows. (It had been connected for over a year with my 9700 Pro and
worked fine.) Therefore it is my conclusion that there was a hardware
redesign between the ATI Radeon 9700 Pro and the Radeon 9800 Pro which
made the S-Video output more susceptable to interference. Now why the
Audigy card is causing this interference is another good question. I
doubt neither Creative Labs, nor ATI will take any responsibility for
this issue.
My next step will be to attempt to connect everything into the same
outlet (computer, monitor, amp, tv, etc.) to prevent any ground loop
possibilities and see what happens.

Later,
Dan K.



(E-Mail Removed) (Dan K) wrote in message news:<(E-Mail Removed)>...
> Thanks John, but the 9800 Pro (and most newer video cards) have a
> seperate DAC for the TV-Out (S-video) connector, which is forced to
> 60Hz, regardless of the frequency of the VGA output. Besides if the
> frequency weren't matched there would be an even more pronounced
> problem such as scrolling and tearing of the image, not just a snowy
> image.
> Thanks for the idea though, glad to see some good feedback.
>
> Dan K.
>
> "JOhn" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:<loBjd.143740$nl.137676@pd7tw3no>...
> > Just an idea:
> >
> > Check the frequency. on the back of the tv it will say 120 volt, 60hz ,
> > make sure the frequency is set the same on the computer.
> >
> > The reson it may be clear while booting is the system uses the bios
> > defaults, then widows takes control once its booted
> >
> > control panel>display>settings>advanced>monitor
> >
> >
> > "Dan K" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > I have an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro which has been having problems with the
> > > TV-Out capability. ATI has been less than helpful in trying to help
> > > me resolve them. The issue is the quality of the picture is very
> > > poor. Before anyone interjects and says TV-Out quality is normally
> > > poor, I am aware of that, but it is even worse than it should be.
> > > Specifically what I am seeing is as follows: While the PC boots the
> > > TV-Out quality is as expected. I can clearly see my POST and early
> > > boot-up sequence. The Windows XP splash screen looks perfect, than
> > > right when the scrolling progress indicator on the splash screen
> > > pauses (mine always pauses for a split second after being up for a few
> > > seconds.) the picture becomes very snowy. Shortly thereafter the
> > > picture goes away entirely. Now this happens whether I have any ATI
> > > specific driver loaded or not. (That is to say, even with no ATI or
> > > Windows drivers for the 9800 Pro loaded, I get TV-Out up to this
> > > point.) If I do have the latest 9800 Pro drivers loaded, I must
> > > enable TV-Out from the driver control panel, however the quality is
> > > still very poor as mentioned above. I had a 9700 Pro in the past
> > > which seemed to work fine (except it would overheat so ATI sent me a
> > > new 9800 Pro replacement)
> > > Additionally, after messing around with it for a while, I decided to
> > > re-install Windows from scratch. Everything worked perfectly for a
> > > few weeks (including TV-
> > > Out) but then just today, the problem came back. There is nothing I
> > > can put my finger on in terms of software I have installed, or driver
> > > updates I may have gotten to cause the issue. I have obviously
> > > re-installed all the video drivers to no avail. I have also
> > > un-installed anything I could think of since It last worked. No dice.
> > > Tried restoring to a restore point where I know it worked, still no
> > > help.
> > > If anyone knows of any issues, has seen this problem before, or has
> > > any info on how I can proceed, I would appreciate it very much. I am
> > > a software engineer, so no need to dumb it down for me.
> > > I am currently running SP2 with all the latest updates. However as
> > > mentioned before, I have not updated Windows in the recent past so it
> > > did work with SP2 installed previously.

Dan K, <(E-Mail Removed)>, the sadomasochistic, raw-boned degenerate, and
employee responsible for removing stones from the fields before planting,
squirted:

> Thanks John, but the 9800 Pro (and most newer video cards) have a
> seperate DAC for the TV-Out (S-video) connector, which is forced to
> 60Hz, regardless of the frequency of the VGA output. Besides if the
> frequency weren't matched there would be an even more pronounced
> problem such as scrolling and tearing of the image, not just a snowy
> image.
> Thanks for the idea though, glad to see some good feedback.

You are as full of **** as the idiot who told you to check the ****ing mains
frequency, you dumb ****. If you actually bothered to read, you'd note
that's what he was telling you. You're just spouting words to make yourself
look good because you've got a mad idea in your head about the cause. No
doubt it's because you are simply unwilling to admit that you've got cheap
**** kit with equally cheap **** chipsets that are susceptible picking up
buss noise.

London to a bucket of **** says you have a cheap **** motherboard with some
cheap **** ALi, SiS or VIA crap on it.

And if that's not true, London to a bucket of your mashed brains says you
think the 9800 Pro, or any ATI card for that matter, is a worthwhile waste
of money.

Offload the ****ing thing to some other idiot on eBay and get a real video
card. Like mine, for example. ASUS V9999 Ultra. **** me dead, even the lowly
nVidia FX5500 shits on the AT 9800 series. I know. I just threw my old ATI
9800 XT into a linux server. Command line work is all the ****er is good
for.

> "JOhn" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:<loBjd.143740$nl.137676@pd7tw3no>...
>> Just an idea:
>>
>> Check the frequency. on the back of the tv it will say 120 volt,
>> 60hz , make sure the frequency is set the same on the computer.
>>
>> The reson it may be clear while booting is the system uses the bios
>> defaults, then widows takes control once its booted
>>
>> control panel>display>settings>advanced>monitor
>>
>>
>> "Dan K" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> I have an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro which has been having problems with
>>> the TV-Out capability. ATI has been less than helpful in trying to
>>> help me resolve them. The issue is the quality of the picture is
>>> very poor. Before anyone interjects and says TV-Out quality is
>>> normally poor, I am aware of that, but it is even worse than it
>>> should be. Specifically what I am seeing is as follows: While the
>>> PC boots the TV-Out quality is as expected. I can clearly see my
>>> POST and early boot-up sequence. The Windows XP splash screen
>>> looks perfect, than right when the scrolling progress indicator on
>>> the splash screen pauses (mine always pauses for a split second
>>> after being up for a few seconds.) the picture becomes very snowy.
>>> Shortly thereafter the picture goes away entirely. Now this
>>> happens whether I have any ATI specific driver loaded or not.
>>> (That is to say, even with no ATI or Windows drivers for the 9800
>>> Pro loaded, I get TV-Out up to this point.) If I do have the
>>> latest 9800 Pro drivers loaded, I must enable TV-Out from the
>>> driver control panel, however the quality is still very poor as
>>> mentioned above. I had a 9700 Pro in the past which seemed to work
>>> fine (except it would overheat so ATI sent me a new 9800 Pro
>>> replacement)
>>> Additionally, after messing around with it for a while, I decided to
>>> re-install Windows from scratch. Everything worked perfectly for a
>>> few weeks (including TV-
>>> Out) but then just today, the problem came back. There is nothing I
>>> can put my finger on in terms of software I have installed, or
>>> driver updates I may have gotten to cause the issue. I have
>>> obviously re-installed all the video drivers to no avail. I have
>>> also un-installed anything I could think of since It last worked.
>>> No dice. Tried restoring to a restore point where I know it
>>> worked, still no help.
>>> If anyone knows of any issues, has seen this problem before, or has
>>> any info on how I can proceed, I would appreciate it very much. I
>>> am a software engineer, so no need to dumb it down for me.
>>> I am currently running SP2 with all the latest updates. However as
>>> mentioned before, I have not updated Windows in the recent past so
>>> it did work with SP2 installed previously.

--
"Slother" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed):

> hear are some dicionanry definations

In article <(E-Mail Removed)> kadickless <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>JOhn, <(E-Mail Removed)>, the sordid, stative fathead, and domestic help,
>sent forth:
>
>> Just an idea:
>>
>> Check the frequency. on the back of the tv it will say 120 volt,
>> 60hz , make sure the frequency is set the same on the computer.
>
>BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAAH!!!!

That sounds profound.

--
Lady Chatterly

"There's a few Usenet bots running around right now, like Lady
Chatterly and friends across many groups. (It's sad when someone
gets in an argument with one of them, and the bot is more
entertaining and makes more sense.) I looked in nanau last night,
but didn't see any mention of them." -- Ron Sharp

In article <(E-Mail Removed)> katshitkadork <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>Dan K, <(E-Mail Removed)>, the sadomasochistic, raw-boned degenerate, and
>employee responsible for removing stones from the fields before planting,
>squirted:
>
>> Thanks John, but the 9800 Pro (and most newer video cards) have a
>> seperate DAC for the TV-Out (S-video) connector, which is forced to
>> 60Hz, regardless of the frequency of the VGA output. Besides if the
>> frequency weren't matched there would be an even more pronounced
>> problem such as scrolling and tearing of the image, not just a snowy
>> image.
>> Thanks for the idea though, glad to see some good feedback.
>
>You are as full of **** as the idiot who told you to check the ****ing mains
>frequency, you dumb ****. If you actually bothered to read, you'd note
>that's what he was telling you. You're just spouting words to make yourself
>look good because you've got a mad idea in your head about the cause. No
>doubt it's because you are simply unwilling to admit that you've got cheap
>**** kit with equally cheap **** chipsets that are susceptible picking up
>buss noise.

You May wonder if they are simply unwilling to admit that they have
got cheap shite kit with equally cheap shite chipsets that are
susceptible picking up buss noise. But that does not make it so.

>London to a bucket of **** says you have a cheap **** motherboard with some
>cheap **** ALi, SiS or VIA crap on it.

A pessimist is a man who has been compelled to live with an optimist.

>And if that's not true, London to a bucket of your mashed brains says you
>think the 9800 Pro, or any ATI card for that matter, is a worthwhile waste
>of money.

A drink precedes a story.

>Offload the ****ing thing to some other idiot on eBay and get a real video
>card. Like mine, for example. ASUS V9999 Ultra. **** me dead, even the lowly
>nVidia FX5500 shits on the AT 9800 series. I know. I just threw my old ATI
>9800 XT into a linux server. Command line work is all the ****er is good
>for.

The socially destructive influence of feminist is eveident in the
policies of all of the parties, and also hits the lower classes
hardest, the privatisation of council housing via arms lenght holding
companies, for example.

--
Lady Chatterly

"If you're not a spambot like Lady Chatterly, then you must be one of
the stupidest ****wits to ever come down the pike." -- Will Dockery

ATI cards ARE COMPLETE AND UTTER SHITE (and they know it)

AVOID THEM!(rip off merchants)

stick to nvidia (a superior product)

z

Nerdillius Maximus wrote:

> It's not the chipset, thimblebrain, it's the line filtering

Chickens and eggs, ****nuts. The rest of what you dribbled is snipped unread
on account of you being a ****wit in your first sentence.