Re: VideoCD a must have

I was at Fry's yesterday and saw a DVD player that played WMA( would that
play the MM2 movies?) for $79.00, but I am like you I already have two
perfectly good DVD players and do not intend to upgrade any time soon,
seems that there ought to be a UPGRADE for the DVD players, I'd be willing
the purchase that rather than learn a new player. I'd even buy one that
would offer upgrades rather than keep buying them to keep up with the
changing technology. Of course I think enough's enough, STOP give the
consumer a chance to BREATHE before coming out with the NEW and IMPROVED.

IMHO.

"Bob" <bob@nospam.org> wrote in message
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> I totally agree with you. Hopefully MM3 will include that capability, but
I
> doubt it. Microsoft seems to be on a mission to force the world to adopt
> their proprietary formats, as opposed to them adapting to the world's
> already-existing standard formats.
>
> For now you have two options. 1) Save your MM2 movie as DV-AVI, which
> should be compatible with most third-party MPEG encoders and DVD/VCD
> Authoring programs. 2) Use another video editing application that does
> include DVD/VCD authoring & burning, like Ulead VideoStudio 7.
>
> -Bob
>
>
> "Mel Grubb" <not@gonnahappen.com> wrote in message
> news:0bcf01c37799$c39ec610$a401280a@phx.gbl...
> > I wouldn't mind if due to licensing problems, I had to
> > buy an add on for Movie Maker, but VideoCD and DVD
> > support is an absolute must.
> >
> > The HighMAT format support is neat and all, but does
> > anyone have a device that supports it? I'm already all
> > set when it comes to DVD players, so I'm not planning to
> > run out and get a new one just to support a new format.
> > For the most part no-one's grandmother is going to
> > either. If Grandma HAS a DVD player at all, then the VCD
> > format should be usable be her.
> >
> > I hate every piece of software that I've ever seen
> > bundled with anything. Sonic MyDVD requires the input
> > files to be AVI in order to do scene detection, and then
> > it doesn't work. I ran a 20 minute film through its
> > scene detection, and it found only three breaks... there
> > are more like 50. WMM found them all, the first time.
> >
> > In short WMM is the best thing I've found for editing the
> > files, but if I can't share them with anyone, then what's
> > the point?
> >
> > MG2
>
>

The one at Fry's won't play the WMV movie files. None of the released DVD
players will
play them yet.

Many salespeople don't know it. If you need proof to balance any assurances
they give
you, bring a HighMAT CD with a movie on it and have them demo the playback
to you
before purchasing.

Best yet, don't bother - they won't play.


PapaJohn

"Lynn" <katbodat@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:vluff1jq6q6951@corp.supernews.com...
> I was at Fry's yesterday and saw a DVD player that played WMA( would that
> play the MM2 movies?) for $79.00, but I am like you I already have two
> perfectly good DVD players and do not intend to upgrade any time soon,
> seems that there ought to be a UPGRADE for the DVD players, I'd be willing
> the purchase that rather than learn a new player. I'd even buy one that
> would offer upgrades rather than keep buying them to keep up with the
> changing technology. Of course I think enough's enough, STOP give the
> consumer a chance to BREATHE before coming out with the NEW and IMPROVED.
>
> IMHO.

"Lynn" <katbodat@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:vluff1jq6q6951@corp.supernews.com:

> I was at Fry's yesterday and saw a DVD player that played WMA( would
> that play the MM2 movies?)

No - WMA is Windows Meda AUDIO.

> for $79.00, but I am like you I already
> have two perfectly good DVD players and do not intend to upgrade any
> time soon, seems that there ought to be a UPGRADE for the DVD players,

You actually can upgrade many DVD players - I've updated the BIOS on mine
to get access to additional functionality. (European DVD users are often
interested in making their DVD players "region free", and sometimes a BIOS
uograde - or downgrade - is the way to do this). The BIOS update is written
to a CD with a specific foldername, and the system updates automatically
when you power the player up.

But I don't expect WMV capability to turn up this way, because as I
understand it, the CPU requirements of displaying WMV files are greater
than most DVDs have available. (Actually, that's why DivX support is still
sparse - WMV support is non-existence because nobody has access to source
code for creating a portable decoder).

> I'd be willing the purchase that rather than learn a new player. I'd
> even buy one that would offer upgrades rather than keep buying them to
> keep up with the changing technology.

Why should you upgrade your player when VCD support is already an industry
standard supported by most DVD players? It would be easier to "fix" the
software at this end than to upgrade all the DVD players.

Thanks all for clearing that up for me, MM2 is still new and confusing for
me. But I'm learning. I bought Total burn to try and save my MM2 movies to
mpeg format or possibly VCD. I just have trouble saving the titles and
trans sitions and end up redoing the work over and over again.
By the time I get it figured out MS will have come out with MM3, LOL!

Thanx All!

PS: I'm gonna look up the Bios thing for my DVD player wish me luck!

Microsoft doesn't seem to have it quite right with their "Windows Media
everywhere" "campaign". I can understand their desire to license the
technology (currently at about 50% of MPEG4 according to what I've read in
the press), but that goes against getting it widespread. Although maybe for
Microsoft, "widespread" means "on every Windows box".

It sure seems that an releasing unencumbered source-code implementation of
the WMV codec (even if it wasn't fully optimized) would go a long ways in
spreading Windows Media.

Dan

"whoever" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Lynn" <katbodat@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:vluff1jq6q6951@corp.supernews.com:
>
> > I was at Fry's yesterday and saw a DVD player that played WMA( would
> > that play the MM2 movies?)
>
> No - WMA is Windows Meda AUDIO.
>
> > for $79.00, but I am like you I already
> > have two perfectly good DVD players and do not intend to upgrade any
> > time soon, seems that there ought to be a UPGRADE for the DVD players,
>
> You actually can upgrade many DVD players - I've updated the BIOS on mine
> to get access to additional functionality. (European DVD users are often
> interested in making their DVD players "region free", and sometimes a BIOS
> uograde - or downgrade - is the way to do this). The BIOS update is
written
> to a CD with a specific foldername, and the system updates automatically
> when you power the player up.
>
> But I don't expect WMV capability to turn up this way, because as I
> understand it, the CPU requirements of displaying WMV files are greater
> than most DVDs have available. (Actually, that's why DivX support is still
> sparse - WMV support is non-existence because nobody has access to source
> code for creating a portable decoder).
>
> > I'd be willing the purchase that rather than learn a new player. I'd
> > even buy one that would offer upgrades rather than keep buying them to
> > keep up with the changing technology.
>
> Why should you upgrade your player when VCD support is already an industry
> standard supported by most DVD players? It would be easier to "fix" the
> software at this end than to upgrade all the DVD players.