Dual Boot. Can I do it this way?

I believe I have seen this described before, but I can't locate the reference.

I have a new computer with XP Home edition preinstalled on the 160gb HDD.
The HD has not been partitioned. I have another computer running Win98
loaded with needed programs and data.

The plan is to split the drive into 2 partitions using Partition Magic,
keeping the XP in one and loading the second partition with a full image
backup of the 98 made with Drive Image. ( I've made these backups regularly
on CDs, and they have successfully replaced the full content of the 98 HD
after crashes.)

It seems to me that this would solve any problems related to the order of
installation and differences in the file systems.

I not sure what Boot manager I would need. Perhaps Boot Magic that comes
with Partion Magic would be ok.

I'd appreciate any comments, cautions, etc. Also, if someone has that
reference I thought I saw, please cite it.

Thanks.
--
Marty

Multibooting with Windows XP: Introduction
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/.../multiboot.mspx

HOW TO: Create a Multiple-Boot System in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...9&Product=winxp

How do I install Windows 98/Me after I've installed XP?
http://www.dougknox.com/xp/tips/xp_repair_9x.htm

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect Your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/sec...ct/default.aspx

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"Marty" wrote:

| I believe I have seen this described before, but I can't locate the reference.
|
| I have a new computer with XP Home edition preinstalled on the 160gb HDD.
| The HD has not been partitioned. I have another computer running Win98
| loaded with needed programs and data.
|
| The plan is to split the drive into 2 partitions using Partition Magic,
| keeping the XP in one and loading the second partition with a full image
| backup of the 98 made with Drive Image. ( I've made these backups regularly
| on CDs, and they have successfully replaced the full content of the 98 HD
| after crashes.)
|
| It seems to me that this would solve any problems related to the order of
| installation and differences in the file systems.
|
| I not sure what Boot manager I would need. Perhaps Boot Magic that comes
| with Partion Magic would be ok.
|
| I'd appreciate any comments, cautions, etc. Also, if someone has that
| reference I thought I saw, please cite it.
|
| Thanks.
| --
| Marty

Marty interrumpeerde het poetertje met volgende input:
> I believe I have seen this described before, but I can't locate the
> reference.
>
> I have a new computer with XP Home edition preinstalled on the 160gb HDD.
> The HD has not been partitioned. I have another computer running Win98
> loaded with needed programs and data.
>
> The plan is to split the drive into 2 partitions using Partition Magic,
> keeping the XP in one and loading the second partition with a full image
> backup of the 98 made with Drive Image. ( I've made these backups regularly
> on CDs, and they have successfully replaced the full content of the 98 HD
> after crashes.)
>
> It seems to me that this would solve any problems related to the order of
> installation and differences in the file systems.
>
> I not sure what Boot manager I would need. Perhaps Boot Magic that comes
> with Partion Magic would be ok.
>
> I'd appreciate any comments, cautions, etc. Also, if someone has that
> reference I thought I saw, please cite it.
>
> Thanks.

create 2 primary partitions and an extended partition for data storage
make the first primary partition active
copy the Win98 image to that active primary partition
start the OS
install bootmanager from PQ
configure the settings for the bootmanager
restart to make sure everything works
set the second partition active, this will automatically hide the 1st
primary
reboot
install windows XP, format using ntfs
don't panic because the PQ bootmagic screen disappeared
reboot until everything is OK with the windows XP installation

reboot with win98 setup floppy
set the 1st primary active again
restart
win98 should boot
start up PQ bootmagic and reinstate the settings of the bootmanager

now you have a real dual boot system wich won't be screwed up by either
of the OS's

bon chance

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http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/
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"chriske911" wrote:
> Marty interrumpeerde het poetertje met volgende input:
>> I have a new computer with XP Home edition preinstalled
>> on the 160gb HDD. The HD has not been partitioned.
>> I have another computer running Win98 loaded with
>> needed programs and data.
>>
>> The plan is to split the drive into 2 partitions using
>> Partition Magic, keeping the XP in one and loading the
>> second partition with a full image backup of the 98 made
>> with Drive Image. ( I've made these backups regularly on
>> CDs, and they have successfully replaced the full content
>> of the 98 HD after crashes.)
>>
>> It seems to me that this would solve any problems related
>> to the order of installation and differences in the file systems.
>>
>> I not sure what Boot manager I would need. Perhaps
>> Boot Magic that comes with Partion Magic would be ok.
>
> create 2 primary partitions and an extended partition for
> data storage
> make the first primary partition active
> copy the Win98 image to that active primary partition
> start the OS
> install bootmanager from PQ
> configure the settings for the bootmanager
> restart to make sure everything works
> set the second partition active, this will automatically
> hide the 1st primary
> reboot
> install windows XP, format using ntfs
> don't panic because the PQ bootmagic screen disappeared
> reboot until everything is OK with the windows XP installation
>
> reboot with win98 setup floppy
> set the 1st primary active again
> restart
> win98 should boot
> start up PQ bootmagic and reinstate the settings of the bootmanager
>
> now you have a real dual boot system wich won't be screwed up by either
> of the OS's


What are the advantages of that (using Boot Magic) over
using the boot manager built into WinXP? Since you've
recommended re-installing WinXP after copying Win98
to the new HD, it would seem that WinXP's boot manager
could be used.

*TimDaniels*

Timothy Daniels interrumpeerde het poetertje met volgende input:
> "chriske911" wrote:
>> Marty interrumpeerde het poetertje met volgende input:
>>>
>>
>> create 2 primary partitions and an extended partition for
>> data storage
>> make the first primary partition active
>> copy the Win98 image to that active primary partition
>> start the OS
>> install bootmanager from PQ
>> configure the settings for the bootmanager
>> restart to make sure everything works
>> set the second partition active, this will automatically
>> hide the 1st primary
>> reboot
>> install windows XP, format using ntfs
>> don't panic because the PQ bootmagic screen disappeared
>> reboot until everything is OK with the windows XP installation
>>
>> reboot with win98 setup floppy
>> set the 1st primary active again
>> restart
>> win98 should boot
>> start up PQ bootmagic and reinstate the settings of the bootmanager
>>
>> now you have a real dual boot system wich won't be screwed up by either of
>> the OS's
>
> What are the advantages of that (using Boot Magic) over
> using the boot manager built into WinXP? Since you've
> recommended re-installing WinXP after copying Win98
> to the new HD, it would seem that WinXP's boot manager
> could be used.
>
> *TimDaniels*

because win98 has his own bootmanager wich is overwritten bij the XP
installation
then for example you reinstall win98
then oops...
winxp cannot be booted anymore
take out the winxp media and repair the winxp bootmanager

or you remove win98
oops...
some more troubles because xp is now missing some needed files
("NTLOADER is missing" error)

if you use the PQ bootmanager you don't get these troubles
and it's far more intuitive to use because of the GUI
+ a lot of options like hiding data partitions from one and another

grtz

--
for OE users:
http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/
just a suggestion ;-)

"chriske911" replied:
> because win98 has his own bootmanager wich is
> overwritten bij the XP installation
> then for example you reinstall win98
> then oops...
> winxp cannot be booted anymore
> take out the winxp media and repair the winxp bootmanager
>
> or you remove win98
> oops...
> some more troubles because xp is now missing some
> needed files ("NTLOADER is missing" error)
>
> if you use the PQ bootmanager you don't get these troubles
> and it's far more intuitive to use because of the GUI
> + a lot of options like hiding data partitions from one and another


But if the OP follows your directions, he will have installed
WinXP *after* having (effectively) installed Win98, and
WinXP's boot manager will be in place.

As for Boot Magic being able to hide partitions, I like that!
I have a use for hiding partitions, and if I can do it without
actually involving it with a boot process, maybe I'll use it!
:-)

*TimDaniels*

A rather inaccurate reply - see below.

> because win98 has his own bootmanager wich is overwritten bij the XP
> installation

A boot manager is a piece of software that lets you select two
or more OSs to boot into. Win98 has no boot manager.

> then for example you reinstall win98
> then oops...
> winxp cannot be booted anymore
> take out the winxp media and repair the winxp bootmanager
>
> or you remove win98
> oops...
> some more troubles because xp is now missing some needed files
> ("NTLOADER is missing" error)

- The name of the file is "ntldr", not "ntloader".
- The Win98 installation process does not remove ntldr.

> if you use the PQ bootmanager you don't get these troubles
> and it's far more intuitive to use because of the GUI
> + a lot of options like hiding data partitions from one and another
>
> grtz
>
> --
> for OE users:
> http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/
> just a suggestion ;-)
>

Pegasus (MVP) outputte 't volgende:
> A rather inaccurate reply - see below.
>
>> because win98 has his own bootmanager wich is overwritten bij the XP
>> installation
>
> A boot manager is a piece of software that lets you select two
> or more OSs to boot into. Win98 has no boot manager.

what's the diff between io.sys and ntldr?

>
>> then for example you reinstall win98
>> then oops...
>> winxp cannot be booted anymore
>> take out the winxp media and repair the winxp bootmanager
>>
>> or you remove win98
>> oops...
>> some more troubles because xp is now missing some needed files
>> ("NTLOADER is missing" error)
>
> - The name of the file is "ntldr", not "ntloader".
> - The Win98 installation process does not remove ntldr.

sorry, my bad, it's "ntldr" allright
but a new win98 install does overwrite the MBR thus preventing from
ntldr to be called
and if win98 gets wiped out completely you still have a problem since
winxp gets the wrong driveletter

>
>> if you use the PQ bootmanager you don't get these troubles
>> and it's far more intuitive to use because of the GUI
>> + a lot of options like hiding data partitions from one and another
>>

grtz

--
for OE users:
http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/
just a suggestion ;-)

"chriske911" <chriske911-spamhater@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:mn.2afe7d4b73f974a1.19335@yahoo.com...
> Pegasus (MVP) outputte 't volgende:
> > A rather inaccurate reply - see below.
> >
> >> because win98 has his own bootmanager wich is overwritten bij the XP
> >> installation
> >
> > A boot manager is a piece of software that lets you select two
> > or more OSs to boot into. Win98 has no boot manager.
>
> what's the diff between io.sys and ntldr?

- io.sys is involved in loading DOS (and nothing else).
- ntldr shows the menu items in c:\boot.ini, then loads the
selected OS.

"chriske911" <chriske911-spamhater@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:mn.2afe7d4b73f974a1.19335@yahoo.com...
> Pegasus (MVP) outputte 't volgende:
> > A rather inaccurate reply - see below.
> >
> >> because win98 has his own bootmanager wich is overwritten bij the XP
> >> installation
> >
> > A boot manager is a piece of software that lets you select two
> > or more OSs to boot into. Win98 has no boot manager.
>
> what's the diff between io.sys and ntldr?

We may have a disagreement about words. I believe that the current
usage of "boot manager" suggests a piece of software capable of
managing the loading process for several OSs. Win98 cannot do
this; Win2000/XP can.

A boot loader, on the other hand, is a piece of software that will
load one particular OS. Win98 has a boot loader, and so has
Win2000/XP.

So perhaps you may have wanted to say "win98 has its own boot
loader" instead of "win98 has its own boot manager".