Re: install the same copy of xp on my laptop?

That's right, but Microsoft "leaked" this information. So I guess officially
it is forbidden, but Microsoft allows it. Like all other pirated software of
Microsoft. There has been a big discussion about this in another newsgroup
and the conclusion is that Microsoft most likely allows pirated versions,
because they know that they will finally make profit out of it, because
companies do buy the licenses! So don't give me the crap about one computer,
one license. Microsoft would die if nobody would use their software
illegally...


"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
news:%23bGb$ChPDHA.1380@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Arjan;
> One license, one computer.
> The way it has always been with all consumer Microsoft OSs.
> If you install a consumer license on more than one computer, you are
> violating the EULA you agreed to.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/...roups/setup.asp
> Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.
>
>
> "Arjan Hulshoff" <arjan.m.hulshoff@zonnet.nl> wrote in message
> news:%23b21X1gPDHA.1612@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > And because of some crazy thing, Microsoft lets you install Windows
> XP Home
> > again after 4 months without needing to remove it from the old
> computer....
>
>

Arjan Hulshoff <> wrote:
> That's right, but Microsoft "leaked" this information. So I guess
> officially it is forbidden, but Microsoft allows it. Like all other
> pirated software of Microsoft. There has been a big discussion about
> this in another newsgroup and the conclusion is that Microsoft most
> likely allows pirated versions, because they know that they will
> finally make profit out of it, because companies do buy the licenses!
> So don't give me the crap about one computer, one license. Microsoft
> would die if nobody would use their software illegally...

Nice rant.
Not true. But nice rant.

Microsoft allows pirated versions because if they fought it, then they would
die.. Not because it increases sales so they don't die. It would take more
money to fight all of the pirating than even Microsoft could make up.

Either way, it will not change my answer. I could care less what one
individual does, but when they click on "Agree" during the install, they
have "agreed" - either fraudulently or not - to the terms that were listed.
And I will continue to give that answer because - well, it's the only one
that makes sense. I cannot tell anyone if they should pirate or not, it
would be a waste of my time. But I can inform them of what the agreement
was and how they agreed to it and such - let them use their own brain.

Plus - 90% of the people who ask that won't be able to get themselves a
'hacked version" because they have trouble keeping their popups under
control. And the other 10% just ask it because they are using pirated
versions and they want to see what emotions they can stir up.

--
Shenan Stanley
"Just trying to help"
-------------------------
How to use XPs Help and Support
http://tinyurl.com/fltf

How to Use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups
http://tinyurl.com/fkja

How to use Google
http://www.google.com/help/basics.html
http://tinyurl.com/fkmc
-------------------------

Actually, I don't really care what Microsoft does... I am switching to Linux
anyway...

"Shenan T. Stanley" <newshelper@hushmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23SreJTzPDHA.1552@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Arjan Hulshoff <> wrote:
> > That's right, but Microsoft "leaked" this information. So I guess
> > officially it is forbidden, but Microsoft allows it. Like all other
> > pirated software of Microsoft. There has been a big discussion about
> > this in another newsgroup and the conclusion is that Microsoft most
> > likely allows pirated versions, because they know that they will
> > finally make profit out of it, because companies do buy the licenses!
> > So don't give me the crap about one computer, one license. Microsoft
> > would die if nobody would use their software illegally...
>
> Nice rant.
> Not true. But nice rant.
>
> Microsoft allows pirated versions because if they fought it, then they
would
> die.. Not because it increases sales so they don't die. It would take
more
> money to fight all of the pirating than even Microsoft could make up.
>
> Either way, it will not change my answer. I could care less what one
> individual does, but when they click on "Agree" during the install, they
> have "agreed" - either fraudulently or not - to the terms that were
listed.
> And I will continue to give that answer because - well, it's the only one
> that makes sense. I cannot tell anyone if they should pirate or not, it
> would be a waste of my time. But I can inform them of what the agreement
> was and how they agreed to it and such - let them use their own brain.
>
> Plus - 90% of the people who ask that won't be able to get themselves a
> 'hacked version" because they have trouble keeping their popups under
> control. And the other 10% just ask it because they are using pirated
> versions and they want to see what emotions they can stir up.
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> "Just trying to help"
> -------------------------
> How to use XPs Help and Support
> http://tinyurl.com/fltf
>
> How to Use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups
> http://tinyurl.com/fkja
>
> How to use Google
> http://www.google.com/help/basics.html
> http://tinyurl.com/fkmc
> -------------------------
>
>

Arjan Hulshoff <arjan.m.hulshoff@zonnet.nl> wrote:
> Actually, I don't really care what Microsoft does... I am switching
> to Linux anyway...

Switching? What took you so long? Sheesh.

Switched.
But the world turns a different way and I have to support those who cannot
switch. heh

--
Shenan Stanley
"Just trying to help"
-------------------------
How to use XPs Help and Support
http://tinyurl.com/fltf

How to Use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups
http://tinyurl.com/fkja

How to use Google
http://www.google.com/help/basics.html
http://tinyurl.com/fkmc
-------------------------

I am running Linux for a few years, but I kept Windows. Now Microsoft comes
with that Palladium thing in Longhorn, I will throughout all Microsoft
software. Microsoft does not have the right to control what is happening on
my computer. No matter if it is legal or illegal. So with switching, I mean
that I will not use Microsoft products anymore.


"Shenan T. Stanley" <newshelper@hushmail.com> wrote in message
news:ehuvEczPDHA.1608@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Arjan Hulshoff <arjan.m.hulshoff@zonnet.nl> wrote:
> > Actually, I don't really care what Microsoft does... I am switching
> > to Linux anyway...
>
> Switching? What took you so long? Sheesh.
>
> Switched.
> But the world turns a different way and I have to support those who cannot
> switch. heh
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> "Just trying to help"
> -------------------------
> How to use XPs Help and Support
> http://tinyurl.com/fltf
>
> How to Use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups
> http://tinyurl.com/fkja
>
> How to use Google
> http://www.google.com/help/basics.html
> http://tinyurl.com/fkmc
> -------------------------
>
>

"Arjan Hulshoff" <arjan.m.hulshoff@zonnet.nl> wrote in message
news:OlsXNOzPDHA.3768@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> That's right, but Microsoft "leaked" this information. So I guess
officially
> it is forbidden, but Microsoft allows it.

We do not "allow" violation of the EULA - you choose to do that.
Regardless - of any timeouts on data held by us - you may not install
another copy of Windows on a second machine without purchasing a second
license.
All of your other posts suggest that this is not an issue for you as you are
moving to another operating system

--
Regards,

Mike
--
Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights

Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions.
Please use these newsgroups

"Arjan Hulshoff" <arjan.m.hulshoff@zonnet.nl> wrote in message
news:OlsXNOzPDHA.3768@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> That's right, but Microsoft "leaked" this information. So I guess
officially
> it is forbidden, but Microsoft allows it. Like all other pirated software
of
> Microsoft. There has been a big discussion about this in another newsgroup
> and the conclusion is that Microsoft most likely allows pirated versions,
> because they know that they will finally make profit out of it, because
> companies do buy the licenses! So don't give me the crap about one
computer,
> one license. Microsoft would die if nobody would use their software
> illegally...
>
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23bGb$ChPDHA.1380@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > Arjan;
> > One license, one computer.
> > The way it has always been with all consumer Microsoft OSs.
> > If you install a consumer license on more than one computer, you are
> > violating the EULA you agreed to.
> >
> > --
> > Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> > An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/...roups/setup.asp
> > Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.
> >
> >
> > "Arjan Hulshoff" <arjan.m.hulshoff@zonnet.nl> wrote in message
> > news:%23b21X1gPDHA.1612@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > And because of some crazy thing, Microsoft lets you install Windows
> > XP Home
> > > again after 4 months without needing to remove it from the old
> > computer....
> >
> >
>
>

Arjan;
'but Microsoft "leaked" this information'.
This information is easy to get from multiple sources, including
anyone who has done installations after waiting a short period of
time.
Your term "leaked" suggests other motives.
Please list your source to justify this otherwise ludicrous
accusation.

The discussion you refer to in another newsgroup is obviously of no
value or consequence.

If you violate the EULA you agree to, that makes you a thief.
Furthermore since you agree to it and go back on your word, that would
also make you a liar.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/...roups/setup.asp
Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.


"Arjan Hulshoff" <arjan.m.hulshoff@zonnet.nl> wrote in message
news:OlsXNOzPDHA.3768@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> That's right, but Microsoft "leaked" this information. So I guess
officially
> it is forbidden, but Microsoft allows it. Like all other pirated
software of
> Microsoft. There has been a big discussion about this in another
newsgroup
> and the conclusion is that Microsoft most likely allows pirated
versions,
> because they know that they will finally make profit out of it,
because
> companies do buy the licenses! So don't give me the crap about one
computer,
> one license. Microsoft would die if nobody would use their software
> illegally...
>
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23bGb$ChPDHA.1380@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > Arjan;
> > One license, one computer.
> > The way it has always been with all consumer Microsoft OSs.
> > If you install a consumer license on more than one computer, you
are
> > violating the EULA you agreed to.
> >
> > --
> > Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> > An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/...roups/setup.asp
> > Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.

Well, there are already good alternatives for the Microsoft applications...
Especially for the very common applications like Office... Besides if no one
takes an effort to make the full switch, then it is a lost case indeed.


"Shenan T. Stanley" <newshelper@hushmail.com> wrote in message
news:eOYZES0PDHA.2424@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Arjan Hulshoff <arjan.m.hulshoff@zonnet.nl> wrote:
> > I am running Linux for a few years, but I kept Windows. Now Microsoft
> > comes with that Palladium thing in Longhorn, I will throughout all
> > Microsoft software. Microsoft does not have the right to control what
> > is happening on my computer. No matter if it is legal or illegal. So
> > with switching, I mean that I will not use Microsoft products anymore.
>
> Good luck with that one.
> Seriously - if you use computers, you will end up getting a document
created
> with a Microsoft product or on a Web page on the net that is running on a
> Microsoft product and programmed in .NET or ...
>
> It's a losing battle.
>
> Say you're not gonna use their OS.. I'm with you.
>
> Say you will never use any of their products.. I'm wishing you luck in
the
> mountains.. With your goat farm. heh
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> "Just trying to help"
> -------------------------
> How to use XPs Help and Support
> http://tinyurl.com/fltf
>
> How to Use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups
> http://tinyurl.com/fkja
>
> How to use Google
> http://www.google.com/help/basics.html
> http://tinyurl.com/fkmc
> -------------------------
>
>

It is not an issue to me indeed, but it certainly is interesting to talk
about. But nevermind, you can't make an statement here... Certainly not as
an employee of Microsoft. It is not that I am against licensing. Actually if
I create applications I like to get paid too. But licenses become incredibly
expensive these days. Mainly because of the bad economy. I hope that
Microsoft changes its policy, so the costs of software can be lowered and
other compabies can put more money in developing their own products. As an
IT-manager, I can't ignore Microsoft. But for personal use I am not prepared
to pay such amounts of money.
Further more, don't ever say that the illegal copies aren't in benefit of
Microsoft. Companies are practically forced to use Windows as the OS,
because people use it at home. I think that 9 out of 10 people use pirated
software, either by copying themselves or either by someone they know.
Anyway, I will keep following Microsoft, just because it is an interesting
company with a good marketingstrategy.

"Mike Brannigan [MSFT]" <mikebran@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:OyTq2Y0PDHA.1072@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> "Arjan Hulshoff" <arjan.m.hulshoff@zonnet.nl> wrote in message
> news:OlsXNOzPDHA.3768@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > That's right, but Microsoft "leaked" this information. So I guess
> officially
> > it is forbidden, but Microsoft allows it.
>
> We do not "allow" violation of the EULA - you choose to do that.
> Regardless - of any timeouts on data held by us - you may not install
> another copy of Windows on a second machine without purchasing a second
> license.
> All of your other posts suggest that this is not an issue for you as you
are
> moving to another operating system
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Mike
> --
> Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights
>
> Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions.
> Please use these newsgroups
>
> "Arjan Hulshoff" <arjan.m.hulshoff@zonnet.nl> wrote in message
> news:OlsXNOzPDHA.3768@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > That's right, but Microsoft "leaked" this information. So I guess
> officially
> > it is forbidden, but Microsoft allows it. Like all other pirated
software
> of
> > Microsoft. There has been a big discussion about this in another
newsgroup
> > and the conclusion is that Microsoft most likely allows pirated
versions,
> > because they know that they will finally make profit out of it, because
> > companies do buy the licenses! So don't give me the crap about one
> computer,
> > one license. Microsoft would die if nobody would use their software
> > illegally...
> >
> >
> > "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
> > news:%23bGb$ChPDHA.1380@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > Arjan;
> > > One license, one computer.
> > > The way it has always been with all consumer Microsoft OSs.
> > > If you install a consumer license on more than one computer, you are
> > > violating the EULA you agreed to.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> > > An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/...roups/setup.asp
> > > Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Arjan Hulshoff" <arjan.m.hulshoff@zonnet.nl> wrote in message
> > > news:%23b21X1gPDHA.1612@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > And because of some crazy thing, Microsoft lets you install Windows
> > > XP Home
> > > > again after 4 months without needing to remove it from the old
> > > computer....
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Arjan;
You did not read my post very well.
You missed the word "If".
If you feel I called you a thief, then you must also agree that you
violate the EULA.
If you do not violate the EULA, then the statement obviously does not
apply to you.

You also say "I rather see a license per CD, not per computer".
That is not relevant what you or I would "rather see".
What is relevant is what it says.
When people quit interpreting for their own desire and instead read
what is written, they will be further ahead.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/...roups/setup.asp
Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.


"Arjan Hulshoff" <arjan.m.hulshoff@zonnet.nl> wrote in message
news:Uh2Ma.97$7h.197@afrodite.telenet-ops.be...
> Thank you for calling me a thief and a liar... I have never said
that I
> didn't buy my licenses, nor that I stole the licenses. Further more,
I know
> that there can be download versions where hackers have extracted the
EULA.
> This way you can never agree or disagree. In Germany they are trying
to find
> if the EULA is lawful. Because it could be that when someone buys a
copy of
> Windows, it is no longer property of Microsoft and EULA comes after
the
> moment you bought the product. So there are some possibilities that
> Microsoft is not acting in a legal way in some European countries.
> About my sources, that are also German Magazines with a good name.
Magazines
> which don't publish everything that is said.
> And for sure I am not a liar! Ok, it is true that I don't like the
license
> policy. I rather see a license per CD, not per computer. Anyway, I
guess
> that you don't understand my intensions. Am not here to support
everyone who
> use illegal software, nor who uses legal software. I am not going to
save
> the world, especially not when it comes to something so futile as
software.
> I don't have bad intensions, I only like to have this discussion
once more.
> In the other news group I have been defending the Microsoft point of
view.
> But I also like to see it from the other point of view. Times change
and
> nothing lasts, nor will Microsoft...
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23EK%23Pt0PDHA.3020@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Arjan;
> > 'but Microsoft "leaked" this information'.
> > This information is easy to get from multiple sources, including
> > anyone who has done installations after waiting a short period of
> > time.
> > Your term "leaked" suggests other motives.
> > Please list your source to justify this otherwise ludicrous
> > accusation.
> >
> > The discussion you refer to in another newsgroup is obviously of
no
> > value or consequence.
> >
> > If you violate the EULA you agree to, that makes you a thief.
> > Furthermore since you agree to it and go back on your word, that
would
> > also make you a liar.
> >
> > --
> > Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> > An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/...roups/setup.asp
> > Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.
> >
> >
> > "Arjan Hulshoff" <arjan.m.hulshoff@zonnet.nl> wrote in message
> > news:OlsXNOzPDHA.3768@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > That's right, but Microsoft "leaked" this information. So I
guess
> > officially
> > > it is forbidden, but Microsoft allows it. Like all other pirated
> > software of
> > > Microsoft. There has been a big discussion about this in another
> > newsgroup
> > > and the conclusion is that Microsoft most likely allows pirated
> > versions,
> > > because they know that they will finally make profit out of it,
> > because
> > > companies do buy the licenses! So don't give me the crap about
one
> > computer,
> > > one license. Microsoft would die if nobody would use their
software
> > > illegally...
> > >
> > >
> > > "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in
message
> > > news:%23bGb$ChPDHA.1380@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > Arjan;
> > > > One license, one computer.
> > > > The way it has always been with all consumer Microsoft OSs.
> > > > If you install a consumer license on more than one computer,
you
> > are
> > > > violating the EULA you agreed to.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> > > > An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
> > > >
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/...roups/setup.asp
> > > > Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit.
> >
> >
>
>