Problem with games minimizing and Hotfixes.

Hiya all

I've just recently upgraded to Win XP (local version, OEM) and have
experienced problems with my games.

Each time I try to play R6: Ravenshield or SW:KotOR (only games I've got
installed atm) they minimize often for no reason (no - I'm not pressing
"win"-key or anything like that).

My DirectX test (dxdiag) also can't complete Direct3D tests, because it says
I've aborted the test by pressing a key (no - I am still not pressing any
keys )

I found somewhere on the internet that removing 4 windows hotfixes:
KB828035, kb823182, kb824141 and kb825119 would solve this, and sure
enough - I could play again. But I wonder if there is anybody else that have
had a similar problem that maybe had another solution, becuase I don't
really like having to keep thoese hotfixes from my computer.

I've also tried disableing all my Norton while gaming - no luck (antivirus
and firewall, which I really don't wanna have disabled anyways) - the games
still minimzied.
My keyboard is a Microsoft Natural Pro with the latest Intelli drivers
installed.

Otherwise:
Running Pentium 4, 2.4 on ASUS P4PE motherboard.
1 GigB. RAM
ASUS GeForce 4 Ti4200 (running Nvidia drivers, have tried all from 45.XX
version to latest version)

After removing the 4 hotfixes I can game the two games and Direct3D test
passes withouht problems, I wonder if there is some problem here?

I hope somebody have some other possible solutions, because I am rather
annoyed at not being able to update my XP.

Regards
ASH

Forgot to mention - it is Windows XP Home Edition, Service Pack 1.

Regards
ASH

"ASH" <nogen> wrote in message news:<u6k8Vk06DHA.3008@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>...
> Hiya all
>

Are you Ash Leask from "Down Under"? If so, please check in at the
A.S.F.P.P-E forum, newsgroup or Yahoo site.

Not me.
Regards
ASH


"WF Peifer" <wfpeifer@peifercomputing.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:e8f67e92.0402050017.2242dcb4@posting.google.com...
> "ASH" <nogen> wrote in message
news:<u6k8Vk06DHA.3008@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>...
> > Hiya all
> >
>
> Are you Ash Leask from "Down Under"? If so, please check in at the
> A.S.F.P.P-E forum, newsgroup or Yahoo site.

Have the same problem with an internet explorer fix - also

Nobody that knows anything?

Regards
ASH

"ASH" <nogen> skrev i en meddelelse
news:u6k8Vk06DHA.3008@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Hiya all
>
> I've just recently upgraded to Win XP (local version, OEM) and have
> experienced problems with my games.
>
> Each time I try to play R6: Ravenshield or SW:KotOR (only games I've got
> installed atm) they minimize often for no reason (no - I'm not pressing
> "win"-key or anything like that).
>
> My DirectX test (dxdiag) also can't complete Direct3D tests, because it
says
> I've aborted the test by pressing a key (no - I am still not pressing any
> keys )
>
> I found somewhere on the internet that removing 4 windows hotfixes:
> KB828035, kb823182, kb824141 and kb825119 would solve this, and sure
> enough - I could play again. But I wonder if there is anybody else that
have
> had a similar problem that maybe had another solution, becuase I don't
> really like having to keep thoese hotfixes from my computer.
>
> I've also tried disableing all my Norton while gaming - no luck (antivirus
> and firewall, which I really don't wanna have disabled anyways) - the
games
> still minimzied.
> My keyboard is a Microsoft Natural Pro with the latest Intelli drivers
> installed.
>
> Otherwise:
> Running Pentium 4, 2.4 on ASUS P4PE motherboard.
> 1 GigB. RAM
> ASUS GeForce 4 Ti4200 (running Nvidia drivers, have tried all from 45.XX
> version to latest version)
>
> After removing the 4 hotfixes I can game the two games and Direct3D test
> passes withouht problems, I wonder if there is some problem here?
>
> I hope somebody have some other possible solutions, because I am rather
> annoyed at not being able to update my XP.
>
> Regards
> ASH
>
>

"Disabling" Symantec products (or even ZoneAlarm) doesn't keep it from
running unless you remove everything that loads on a boot, then reboot. The
"exit" for the programs in the Systray basically exists the icon from being
there. Do a Ctrl-Alt-Del some time, and you'll see the stuff is still
running.

Which version of DirectX are you running? If you're not running 9.0b, you
should update because it has more DirectPlay support:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/directx/default.aspx
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone

--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone

"ASH" <nogen> wrote in message news:ex47H1A7DHA.3052@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Have the same problem with an internet explorer fix - also
>
> Nobody that knows anything?
>
> Regards
> ASH
>
> "ASH" <nogen> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:u6k8Vk06DHA.3008@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > Hiya all
> >
> > I've just recently upgraded to Win XP (local version, OEM) and have
> > experienced problems with my games.
> >
> > Each time I try to play R6: Ravenshield or SW:KotOR (only games I've got
> > installed atm) they minimize often for no reason (no - I'm not pressing
> > "win"-key or anything like that).
> >
> > My DirectX test (dxdiag) also can't complete Direct3D tests, because it
> says
> > I've aborted the test by pressing a key (no - I am still not pressing
any
> > keys )
> >
> > I found somewhere on the internet that removing 4 windows hotfixes:
> > KB828035, kb823182, kb824141 and kb825119 would solve this, and sure
> > enough - I could play again. But I wonder if there is anybody else that
> have
> > had a similar problem that maybe had another solution, becuase I don't
> > really like having to keep thoese hotfixes from my computer.
> >
> > I've also tried disableing all my Norton while gaming - no luck
(antivirus
> > and firewall, which I really don't wanna have disabled anyways) - the
> games
> > still minimzied.
> > My keyboard is a Microsoft Natural Pro with the latest Intelli drivers
> > installed.
> >
> > Otherwise:
> > Running Pentium 4, 2.4 on ASUS P4PE motherboard.
> > 1 GigB. RAM
> > ASUS GeForce 4 Ti4200 (running Nvidia drivers, have tried all from 45.XX
> > version to latest version)
> >
> > After removing the 4 hotfixes I can game the two games and Direct3D test
> > passes withouht problems, I wonder if there is some problem here?
> >
> > I hope somebody have some other possible solutions, because I am rather
> > annoyed at not being able to update my XP.
> >
> > Regards
> > ASH
> >
> >
>
>

I'm running DirectX 9.0b.

I'll try to kill the Norton and test it out - although I don't see that as a
permanent solution, I'd rather downgrade windows then run "un-protected".

Regards
ASH

"Chris H." <winxpnews@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:ecpHtAB7DHA.2764@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> "Disabling" Symantec products (or even ZoneAlarm) doesn't keep it from
> running unless you remove everything that loads on a boot, then reboot.
The
> "exit" for the programs in the Systray basically exists the icon from
being
> there. Do a Ctrl-Alt-Del some time, and you'll see the stuff is still
> running.
>
> Which version of DirectX are you running? If you're not running 9.0b, you
> should update because it has more DirectPlay support:
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/directx/default.aspx
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
> "ASH" <nogen> wrote in message
news:ex47H1A7DHA.3052@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > Have the same problem with an internet explorer fix - also
> >
> > Nobody that knows anything?
> >
> > Regards
> > ASH
> >
> > "ASH" <nogen> skrev i en meddelelse
> > news:u6k8Vk06DHA.3008@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > Hiya all
> > >
> > > I've just recently upgraded to Win XP (local version, OEM) and have
> > > experienced problems with my games.
> > >
> > > Each time I try to play R6: Ravenshield or SW:KotOR (only games I've
got
> > > installed atm) they minimize often for no reason (no - I'm not
pressing
> > > "win"-key or anything like that).
> > >
> > > My DirectX test (dxdiag) also can't complete Direct3D tests, because
it
> > says
> > > I've aborted the test by pressing a key (no - I am still not pressing
> any
> > > keys )
> > >
> > > I found somewhere on the internet that removing 4 windows hotfixes:
> > > KB828035, kb823182, kb824141 and kb825119 would solve this, and sure
> > > enough - I could play again. But I wonder if there is anybody else
that
> > have
> > > had a similar problem that maybe had another solution, becuase I don't
> > > really like having to keep thoese hotfixes from my computer.
> > >
> > > I've also tried disableing all my Norton while gaming - no luck
> (antivirus
> > > and firewall, which I really don't wanna have disabled anyways) - the
> > games
> > > still minimzied.
> > > My keyboard is a Microsoft Natural Pro with the latest Intelli drivers
> > > installed.
> > >
> > > Otherwise:
> > > Running Pentium 4, 2.4 on ASUS P4PE motherboard.
> > > 1 GigB. RAM
> > > ASUS GeForce 4 Ti4200 (running Nvidia drivers, have tried all from
45.XX
> > > version to latest version)
> > >
> > > After removing the 4 hotfixes I can game the two games and Direct3D
test
> > > passes withouht problems, I wonder if there is some problem here?
> > >
> > > I hope somebody have some other possible solutions, because I am
rather
> > > annoyed at not being able to update my XP.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > ASH
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Or use any one of the free anti-virus programs, like AVG. 8-) They do the
same job, but don't take over the system. The other thing you might try is
switching keyboards if you've got another one to use. Sometimes a keyboard
will put in some "ghost" keys if it is older or dirty.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone

"ASH" <nogen> wrote in message
news:eUWS%23tB7DHA.2720@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> I'm running DirectX 9.0b.
>
> I'll try to kill the Norton and test it out - although I don't see that as
a
> permanent solution, I'd rather downgrade windows then run "un-protected".
>
> Regards
> ASH
>
> "Chris H." <winxpnews@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:ecpHtAB7DHA.2764@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > "Disabling" Symantec products (or even ZoneAlarm) doesn't keep it from
> > running unless you remove everything that loads on a boot, then reboot.
> The
> > "exit" for the programs in the Systray basically exists the icon from
> being
> > there. Do a Ctrl-Alt-Del some time, and you'll see the stuff is still
> > running.
> >
> > Which version of DirectX are you running? If you're not running 9.0b,
you
> > should update because it has more DirectPlay support:
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/directx/default.aspx
> > --
> > Chris H.
> > Microsoft Windows MVP
> > Associate Expert
> > Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >
> > --
> > Chris H.
> > Microsoft Windows MVP
> > Associate Expert
> > Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >
> > "ASH" <nogen> wrote in message
> news:ex47H1A7DHA.3052@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > Have the same problem with an internet explorer fix - also
> > >
> > > Nobody that knows anything?
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > ASH
> > >
> > > "ASH" <nogen> skrev i en meddelelse
> > > news:u6k8Vk06DHA.3008@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > > Hiya all
> > > >
> > > > I've just recently upgraded to Win XP (local version, OEM) and have
> > > > experienced problems with my games.
> > > >
> > > > Each time I try to play R6: Ravenshield or SW:KotOR (only games I've
> got
> > > > installed atm) they minimize often for no reason (no - I'm not
> pressing
> > > > "win"-key or anything like that).
> > > >
> > > > My DirectX test (dxdiag) also can't complete Direct3D tests, because
> it
> > > says
> > > > I've aborted the test by pressing a key (no - I am still not
pressing
> > any
> > > > keys )
> > > >
> > > > I found somewhere on the internet that removing 4 windows hotfixes:
> > > > KB828035, kb823182, kb824141 and kb825119 would solve this, and sure
> > > > enough - I could play again. But I wonder if there is anybody else
> that
> > > have
> > > > had a similar problem that maybe had another solution, becuase I
don't
> > > > really like having to keep thoese hotfixes from my computer.
> > > >
> > > > I've also tried disableing all my Norton while gaming - no luck
> > (antivirus
> > > > and firewall, which I really don't wanna have disabled anyways) -
the
> > > games
> > > > still minimzied.
> > > > My keyboard is a Microsoft Natural Pro with the latest Intelli
drivers
> > > > installed.
> > > >
> > > > Otherwise:
> > > > Running Pentium 4, 2.4 on ASUS P4PE motherboard.
> > > > 1 GigB. RAM
> > > > ASUS GeForce 4 Ti4200 (running Nvidia drivers, have tried all from
> 45.XX
> > > > version to latest version)
> > > >
> > > > After removing the 4 hotfixes I can game the two games and Direct3D
> test
> > > > passes withouht problems, I wonder if there is some problem here?
> > > >
> > > > I hope somebody have some other possible solutions, because I am
> rather
> > > > annoyed at not being able to update my XP.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > ASH
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

It seems the problem might originate from the Norton Anti Virus "Auto
Protect" feature -that seemingly continuesly protects the harddrive from
infection.

I've tried disableing that feature in my Norton AV/Firewall - and it looks
to work withouth that one.

Just annyoing that it seems to not be able to run together - I rather liked
Norton and haven't had any problems like this before .... wonder if the same
problem persists in the 2004 version (I'm running Internet Security 2003)

Regards
ASH

"Chris H." <winxpnews@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:OkDXdSD7DHA.260@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Or use any one of the free anti-virus programs, like AVG. 8-) They do
the
> same job, but don't take over the system. The other thing you might try
is
> switching keyboards if you've got another one to use. Sometimes a
keyboard
> will put in some "ghost" keys if it is older or dirty.
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
> "ASH" <nogen> wrote in message
> news:eUWS%23tB7DHA.2720@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > I'm running DirectX 9.0b.
> >
> > I'll try to kill the Norton and test it out - although I don't see that
as
> a
> > permanent solution, I'd rather downgrade windows then run
"un-protected".
> >
> > Regards
> > ASH
> >
> > "Chris H." <winxpnews@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> > news:ecpHtAB7DHA.2764@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > "Disabling" Symantec products (or even ZoneAlarm) doesn't keep it from
> > > running unless you remove everything that loads on a boot, then
reboot.
> > The
> > > "exit" for the programs in the Systray basically exists the icon from
> > being
> > > there. Do a Ctrl-Alt-Del some time, and you'll see the stuff is still
> > > running.
> > >
> > > Which version of DirectX are you running? If you're not running 9.0b,
> you
> > > should update because it has more DirectPlay support:
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/directx/default.aspx
> > > --
> > > Chris H.
> > > Microsoft Windows MVP
> > > Associate Expert
> > > Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> > >
> > > --
> > > Chris H.
> > > Microsoft Windows MVP
> > > Associate Expert
> > > Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> > >
> > > "ASH" <nogen> wrote in message
> > news:ex47H1A7DHA.3052@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > > Have the same problem with an internet explorer fix - also
> > > >
> > > > Nobody that knows anything?
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > ASH
> > > >
> > > > "ASH" <nogen> skrev i en meddelelse
> > > > news:u6k8Vk06DHA.3008@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > > > Hiya all
> > > > >
> > > > > I've just recently upgraded to Win XP (local version, OEM) and
have
> > > > > experienced problems with my games.
> > > > >
> > > > > Each time I try to play R6: Ravenshield or SW:KotOR (only games
I've
> > got
> > > > > installed atm) they minimize often for no reason (no - I'm not
> > pressing
> > > > > "win"-key or anything like that).
> > > > >
> > > > > My DirectX test (dxdiag) also can't complete Direct3D tests,
because
> > it
> > > > says
> > > > > I've aborted the test by pressing a key (no - I am still not
> pressing
> > > any
> > > > > keys )
> > > > >
> > > > > I found somewhere on the internet that removing 4 windows
hotfixes:
> > > > > KB828035, kb823182, kb824141 and kb825119 would solve this, and
sure
> > > > > enough - I could play again. But I wonder if there is anybody else
> > that
> > > > have
> > > > > had a similar problem that maybe had another solution, becuase I
> don't
> > > > > really like having to keep thoese hotfixes from my computer.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've also tried disableing all my Norton while gaming - no luck
> > > (antivirus
> > > > > and firewall, which I really don't wanna have disabled anyways) -
> the
> > > > games
> > > > > still minimzied.
> > > > > My keyboard is a Microsoft Natural Pro with the latest Intelli
> drivers
> > > > > installed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Otherwise:
> > > > > Running Pentium 4, 2.4 on ASUS P4PE motherboard.
> > > > > 1 GigB. RAM
> > > > > ASUS GeForce 4 Ti4200 (running Nvidia drivers, have tried all from
> > 45.XX
> > > > > version to latest version)
> > > > >
> > > > > After removing the 4 hotfixes I can game the two games and
Direct3D
> > test
> > > > > passes withouht problems, I wonder if there is some problem here?
> > > > >
> > > > > I hope somebody have some other possible solutions, because I am
> > rather
> > > > > annoyed at not being able to update my XP.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > ASH
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

For what it's worth, I don't have any problems with games or anything else
with NIS 2004 installed and running all the time.


"ASH" <nogen> wrote in message news:eR7WQhJ7DHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
It seems the problem might originate from the Norton Anti Virus "Auto
Protect" feature -that seemingly continuesly protects the harddrive from
infection.

I've tried disableing that feature in my Norton AV/Firewall - and it looks
to work withouth that one.

Just annyoing that it seems to not be able to run together - I rather liked
Norton and haven't had any problems like this before .... wonder if the same
problem persists in the 2004 version (I'm running Internet Security 2003)

Regards
ASH

"Chris H." <winxpnews@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:OkDXdSD7DHA.260@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Or use any one of the free anti-virus programs, like AVG. 8-) They do
the
> same job, but don't take over the system. The other thing you might try
is
> switching keyboards if you've got another one to use. Sometimes a
keyboard
> will put in some "ghost" keys if it is older or dirty.
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
> "ASH" <nogen> wrote in message
> news:eUWS%23tB7DHA.2720@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > I'm running DirectX 9.0b.
> >
> > I'll try to kill the Norton and test it out - although I don't see that
as
> a
> > permanent solution, I'd rather downgrade windows then run
"un-protected".
> >
> > Regards
> > ASH
> >
> > "Chris H." <winxpnews@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> > news:ecpHtAB7DHA.2764@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > "Disabling" Symantec products (or even ZoneAlarm) doesn't keep it from
> > > running unless you remove everything that loads on a boot, then
reboot.
> > The
> > > "exit" for the programs in the Systray basically exists the icon from
> > being
> > > there. Do a Ctrl-Alt-Del some time, and you'll see the stuff is still
> > > running.
> > >
> > > Which version of DirectX are you running? If you're not running 9.0b,
> you
> > > should update because it has more DirectPlay support:
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/directx/default.aspx
> > > --
> > > Chris H.
> > > Microsoft Windows MVP
> > > Associate Expert
> > > Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> > >
> > > --
> > > Chris H.
> > > Microsoft Windows MVP
> > > Associate Expert
> > > Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> > >
> > > "ASH" <nogen> wrote in message
> > news:ex47H1A7DHA.3052@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > > Have the same problem with an internet explorer fix - also
> > > >
> > > > Nobody that knows anything?
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > ASH
> > > >
> > > > "ASH" <nogen> skrev i en meddelelse
> > > > news:u6k8Vk06DHA.3008@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > > > Hiya all
> > > > >
> > > > > I've just recently upgraded to Win XP (local version, OEM) and
have
> > > > > experienced problems with my games.
> > > > >
> > > > > Each time I try to play R6: Ravenshield or SW:KotOR (only games
I've
> > got
> > > > > installed atm) they minimize often for no reason (no - I'm not
> > pressing
> > > > > "win"-key or anything like that).
> > > > >
> > > > > My DirectX test (dxdiag) also can't complete Direct3D tests,
because
> > it
> > > > says
> > > > > I've aborted the test by pressing a key (no - I am still not
> pressing
> > > any
> > > > > keys )
> > > > >
> > > > > I found somewhere on the internet that removing 4 windows
hotfixes:
> > > > > KB828035, kb823182, kb824141 and kb825119 would solve this, and
sure
> > > > > enough - I could play again. But I wonder if there is anybody else
> > that
> > > > have
> > > > > had a similar problem that maybe had another solution, becuase I
> don't
> > > > > really like having to keep thoese hotfixes from my computer.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've also tried disableing all my Norton while gaming - no luck
> > > (antivirus
> > > > > and firewall, which I really don't wanna have disabled anyways) -
> the
> > > > games
> > > > > still minimzied.
> > > > > My keyboard is a Microsoft Natural Pro with the latest Intelli
> drivers
> > > > > installed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Otherwise:
> > > > > Running Pentium 4, 2.4 on ASUS P4PE motherboard.
> > > > > 1 GigB. RAM
> > > > > ASUS GeForce 4 Ti4200 (running Nvidia drivers, have tried all from
> > 45.XX
> > > > > version to latest version)
> > > > >
> > > > > After removing the 4 hotfixes I can game the two games and
Direct3D
> > test
> > > > > passes withouht problems, I wonder if there is some problem here?
> > > > >
> > > > > I hope somebody have some other possible solutions, because I am
> > rather
> > > > > annoyed at not being able to update my XP.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > ASH
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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