Messaging

I am setting up a network between two computers that are not connected to
the internet. I have been advised that I will have to use an AdHoc
connection and am trying to find info about that.

I also need to find a way for the two computers to be able to send messages
to each other, as in Windows Messenger or something similar. Is there some
tool in windows that will do this?

Don Dunlap

Here is a page that you will find useful re. setting up the network..

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/..._02april08.mspx

and for messaging across a network..

http://www.messagepal.com/?s=G&k=BB

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user

http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm





"Don Dunlap" <dondunlapwhoami@direcway.com> wrote in message
news:6bf7d$420d63af$452347ba$22764@allthenewsgroups.com...
>I am setting up a network between two computers that are not connected to
>the internet. I have been advised that I will have to use an AdHoc
>connection and am trying to find info about that.
>
> I also need to find a way for the two computers to be able to send
> messages to each other, as in Windows Messenger or something similar. Is
> there some tool in windows that will do this?
>
> Don Dunlap
>

Don Dunlap wrote:

> I am setting up a network between two computers that are not connected
> to
> the internet. I have been advised that I will have to use an AdHoc
> connection and am trying to find info about that.
>
> I also need to find a way for the two computers to be able to send
> messages
> to each other, as in Windows Messenger or something similar. Is there
> some tool in windows that will do this?
>
> Don Dunlap

Are you doing this wirelessly or wired? What kind of physical network
structure do you want?

As for the messaging, you can use "net send" in XP. Look up "net send"
in XP's Help & Support. This requires that the Messenger service be
running and SP2 disables it. Make sure you enable it.

Malke
--
MS-MVP Windows User/Shell
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic"

Here is some info on wireless adhoc networking.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/..._02april08.mspx

Also, for local network messaging you can either use Netmeeting or winchat.
To run Netmeeting click on start and go to run. Type in conf and hit
enter.Follow the wizard. Once done, you can click on Call/New call. Type in
the ip address of the other machine to make the call.(Both machines need to
be running Netmeeting).

Also, to run winchat, click on start and go to run. Type in mschat and hit
enter. Then choose Conversation/Dial. Type in the ipaddress of the other
machine. (This also has to be running on the other machine)

"Don Dunlap" wrote:

> I am setting up a network between two computers that are not connected to
> the internet. I have been advised that I will have to use an AdHoc
> connection and am trying to find info about that.
>
> I also need to find a way for the two computers to be able to send messages
> to each other, as in Windows Messenger or something similar. Is there some
> tool in windows that will do this?
>
> Don Dunlap
>
>
>

Thanks Mike,

I will look into both sites. Initially, it looks as if the messagepay will
do the job cheaply.

Don

"Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" <mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:Oj80KqKEFHA.624@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Here is a page that you will find useful re. setting up the network..
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/..._02april08.mspx
>
> and for messaging across a network..
>
> http://www.messagepal.com/?s=G&k=BB
>
> --
> Mike Hall
> MVP - Windows Shell/user
>
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
>
>
>
>
> "Don Dunlap" <dondunlapwhoami@direcway.com> wrote in message
> news:6bf7d$420d63af$452347ba$22764@allthenewsgroups.com...
>>I am setting up a network between two computers that are not connected to
>>the internet. I have been advised that I will have to use an AdHoc
>>connection and am trying to find info about that.
>>
>> I also need to find a way for the two computers to be able to send
>> messages to each other, as in Windows Messenger or something similar. Is
>> there some tool in windows that will do this?
>>
>> Don Dunlap
>>
>
>

"Malke" <malke@nospoonnotreally.com> wrote in message
news:ufZU4WLEFHA.2540@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Don Dunlap wrote:
>
>> I am setting up a network between two computers that are not connected
>> to
>> the internet. I have been advised that I will have to use an AdHoc
>> connection and am trying to find info about that.
>>
>> I also need to find a way for the two computers to be able to send
>> messages
>> to each other, as in Windows Messenger or something similar. Is there
>> some tool in windows that will do this?
>>
>> Don Dunlap
>
> Are you doing this wirelessly or wired? What kind of physical network
> structure do you want?
>
> As for the messaging, you can use "net send" in XP. Look up "net send"
> in XP's Help & Support. This requires that the Messenger service be
> running and SP2 disables it. Make sure you enable it.
>
> Malke
> --
> MS-MVP Windows User/Shell
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> "Don't Panic"

Malke,

I understood that the Messenger service in Windows used the internet and
there will be no internet connection on these two computers. Can Messenger
be used without internet connection?

Don

Ron,

Mike Hall also recommend that site for adhoc networking. I will use it as
my basis. I will also look into Netmeeting or winchat. I haven't gotten
too deeply into it yet, but am wondering if there will be a static ip
address on the two computers if I don't have internet connection. I need to
do a little more research. The first computer is in place in the office and
the second has been ordered. I have a week or so to familiarize myself with
the necessary info.

Thanks
Don

"Ron Rector" <RonRector@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6C4CAB1F-1662-4F50-BBFC-48798C55E196@microsoft.com...
> Here is some info on wireless adhoc networking.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/..._02april08.mspx
>
> Also, for local network messaging you can either use Netmeeting or
> winchat.
> To run Netmeeting click on start and go to run. Type in conf and hit
> enter.Follow the wizard. Once done, you can click on Call/New call. Type
> in
> the ip address of the other machine to make the call.(Both machines need
> to
> be running Netmeeting).
>
> Also, to run winchat, click on start and go to run. Type in mschat and hit
> enter. Then choose Conversation/Dial. Type in the ipaddress of the other
> machine. (This also has to be running on the other machine)
>
> "Don Dunlap" wrote:
>
>> I am setting up a network between two computers that are not connected to
>> the internet. I have been advised that I will have to use an AdHoc
>> connection and am trying to find info about that.
>>
>> I also need to find a way for the two computers to be able to send
>> messages
>> to each other, as in Windows Messenger or something similar. Is there
>> some
>> tool in windows that will do this?
>>
>> Don Dunlap
>>
>>
>>

"Malke" <malke@nospoonnotreally.com> wrote in message
news:ufZU4WLEFHA.2540@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Don Dunlap wrote:
>
>> I am setting up a network between two computers that are not connected
>> to
>> the internet. I have been advised that I will have to use an AdHoc
>> connection and am trying to find info about that.
>>
>> I also need to find a way for the two computers to be able to send
>> messages
>> to each other, as in Windows Messenger or something similar. Is there
>> some tool in windows that will do this?
>>
>> Don Dunlap
>
> Are you doing this wirelessly or wired? What kind of physical network
> structure do you want?
>
> As for the messaging, you can use "net send" in XP. Look up "net send"
> in XP's Help & Support. This requires that the Messenger service be
> running and SP2 disables it. Make sure you enable it.
>
> Malke
> --
> MS-MVP Windows User/Shell
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> "Don't Panic"

Initially, I was going to use a wired network but am now leaning toward
wireless. The two computers will be primarily use file and printer sharing.
As I mentioned, there will be no internet connection, at least for now, so I
don't think that Messenger will work. Am I mistaken?

Don

Hi Don,

If you are going wireless and will be performing Adhoc the ip address should
be static. It should look something like this : 169.254.xxx.xxx.
Even if this does become an issue you should be able to contact the other
computer by "Computer Name". To find out the computer name for a specific
computer click Start and right click My Computer. Choose Properties. Go to
the Computer Name tab. Look to see what the "Full Computer Name" is.

Here is some more info on Adhoc Networking.

Configuring Windows XP IEEE 802.11 Wireless Networks for the Home and Small
Business
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pr...n/wifisoho.mspx

Wireless LAN Card settings for AdHoc communication
http://www.practicallynetworked.com...adhoc_setup.htm



"Don Dunlap" wrote:

> Ron,
>
> Mike Hall also recommend that site for adhoc networking. I will use it as
> my basis. I will also look into Netmeeting or winchat. I haven't gotten
> too deeply into it yet, but am wondering if there will be a static ip
> address on the two computers if I don't have internet connection. I need to
> do a little more research. The first computer is in place in the office and
> the second has been ordered. I have a week or so to familiarize myself with
> the necessary info.
>
> Thanks
> Don
>
> "Ron Rector" <RonRector@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:6C4CAB1F-1662-4F50-BBFC-48798C55E196@microsoft.com...
> > Here is some info on wireless adhoc networking.
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/..._02april08.mspx
> >
> > Also, for local network messaging you can either use Netmeeting or
> > winchat.
> > To run Netmeeting click on start and go to run. Type in conf and hit
> > enter.Follow the wizard. Once done, you can click on Call/New call. Type
> > in
> > the ip address of the other machine to make the call.(Both machines need
> > to
> > be running Netmeeting).
> >
> > Also, to run winchat, click on start and go to run. Type in mschat and hit
> > enter. Then choose Conversation/Dial. Type in the ipaddress of the other
> > machine. (This also has to be running on the other machine)
> >
> > "Don Dunlap" wrote:
> >
> >> I am setting up a network between two computers that are not connected to
> >> the internet. I have been advised that I will have to use an AdHoc
> >> connection and am trying to find info about that.
> >>
> >> I also need to find a way for the two computers to be able to send
> >> messages
> >> to each other, as in Windows Messenger or something similar. Is there
> >> some
> >> tool in windows that will do this?
> >>
> >> Don Dunlap
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Don Dunlap wrote:

>
> "Malke" <malke@nospoonnotreally.com> wrote in message
> news:ufZU4WLEFHA.2540@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> Don Dunlap wrote:
>>
>>> I am setting up a network between two computers that are not
>>> connected to
>>> the internet. I have been advised that I will have to use an AdHoc
>>> connection and am trying to find info about that.
>>>
>>> I also need to find a way for the two computers to be able to send
>>> messages
>>> to each other, as in Windows Messenger or something similar. Is
>>> there some tool in windows that will do this?
>>>
>>> Don Dunlap
>>
> Malke,
>
> I understood that the Messenger service in Windows used the internet
> and
> there will be no internet connection on these two computers. Can
> Messenger be used without internet connection?
>

The Messenger service (net send) is not the same as as Windows
Messenger. It is not an instant messaging client and therefore doesn't
need the Internet. If you are going to set up a wireless network, then
the information that Ron Rector gave you is a good place to start.

Malke
--
MS MVP - Windows Shell/User
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"