Smae problem here...any solutions?

Exchange 2003, Outlook 2007 issue. I've already tried kb938650 to no avail.

I've notice the problem only occurs with meeting updates, not the initial requests. it may have something to do with Outlook 2007, because all the failures seem to come from stations that have that version installed.

I also have a couple of offsite people that connect in via IMAP, and their connections generate event ID 1023 in IMAP4SVC with the description: "Error 0x7da occurred while rendering message [MessageID] for download for user [EmailAddress]." when downloading the meeting request updates in question.

In addtion, we use GFI Mail Archiver to archive all our mail. It connects to the exchange server via IMAP and it chokes when trying to download the same meeting updates.

This appears to be some kind of formatting problem with the way Outlook 2007 sends meeting request updates in Exchange 2003, but that is just an educated guess.

I've also confirmed what Kfi and laur said about the SMTP service not even making an outbound connection to deliver the items. It chokes while trying to render the message for delivery and doesn't even get far enough to attempt an outbound connection to send the message. it just sits in the queue until expiration failure.

If anyone has any solutions, thanks in advance!



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On Friday, April 25, 2008 10:41 AM
laur wrote:

Updates to meetings coming back undeliverable
Users in our organization are reporting an issue when sending meeting
updates. The first time they send the meeting request to internal employees
or outside customers, everything is fine and the meeting schedules without a
problem. If the organizer needs to make a modification to the meeting, say
the time, an undeliverable report will be sent to them that it did not reach
all recipients, but only for outside email addresses. The undeliverable does
not come back right away. The email appears to sit in the queue until it
times out. The undeliverable received is "could not deliver the message in
the time limit specified. 4.4.7". So to the organizer, they think everything
has been sent out and updated without any problems because they don't receive
any undeliverable right away. We are running Exchange 2003 and all users
have Office 2007. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks!
Laura

On Saturday, April 26, 2008 12:29 PM
Diane Poremsky {MVP} wrote:

Re: Updates to meetings coming back undeliverable
From http://support.microsoft.com/kb/284204
Numeric Code: 4.4.7

Possible Cause: The message in the queue has expired. The sending server
tried to relay or deliver the message, but the action was not completed
before the message expiration time occurred. This NDR may also indicate that
a message header limit has been reached on a remote server or that some
other protocol timeout occurred during communication with the remote server.
Troubleshooting: This code typically indicates an issue on the receiving
server. Verify the validity of the recipient address, and verify that the
receiving server is configured to receive messages correctly. You may have
to reduce the number of recipients in the header of the message for the host
that you are receiving this NDR from. If you resend the message, it is
placed in the queue again. If the receiving server is on line, the message
is delivered.

Obviously, if its an update, the address and # of recipients should be ok.
Does the NDR give any clues as to why its not getting sent or accepted by
the outside server?

--
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On Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:47 AM
laur wrote:

there doesn't seem to any indication why the email would just sit in the
there doesn't seem to any indication why the email would just sit in the
message queue until it timed out. that's what is so confusing, they're
correct email addresses! i don't know what to look for next....


"Diane Poremsky {MVP}" wrote:

On Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:51 PM
sher wrote:

Re: Updates to meetings coming back undeliverable
Did you figure this out? We are having the same problem.

"laura" wrote:

On Friday, June 27, 2008 7:29 AM
Kfi wrote:

Did anyone find what is the cause and how to fix?
Did anyone find what is the cause and how to fix?

We have the same problem as well. The one thing I think we have in common
and might be a clue is that the server is Exchange 2003 (SP2) and the meeting
update requests are coming from Outlook 2007. From outlook 2003 We do not
have that problem. This happens randomly.

I checked the logs of our firewall and when it happens the Exchanges server
doesn't even try to connect outside to send the message. It just sit in queue
until it bounces as non delivery.

Kfir

"sheri" wrote:

On Monday, June 30, 2008 9:01 AM
laur wrote:

Still haven't found a resolution to this issue.
Still haven't found a resolution to this issue. I would suspect it has
something to do with the combo of Exchange 2003 and Outlook 2007.
Frustrating because, like you said, the message just sits in the queue until
it expires. It never attempts to contact the other mail server.

"Kfir" wrote:

On Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:41 PM
rya wrote:

I too am having this problem... nothing found on Google...
I too am having this problem... nothing found on Google... any help would be
greatly appreciated.

-- Ryan

"laura" wrote:

On Friday, July 25, 2008 1:29 PM
Ryan Carnel wrote:

Re: Updates to meetings coming back undeliverable
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/938650/en-us

"laura" wrote:

On Friday, August 21, 2009 12:57 PM
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"David Laughlin" wrote in message
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> Exchange 2003, Outlook 2007 issue. I've already tried kb938650 to no
> avail.
>
> I've notice the problem only occurs with meeting updates, not the initial
> requests. it may have something to do with Outlook 2007, because all the
> failures seem to come from stations that have that version installed.
>
> I also have a couple of offsite people that connect in via IMAP, and their
> connections generate event ID 1023 in IMAP4SVC with the description:
> "Error 0x7da occurred while rendering message [MessageID] for download for
> user [EmailAddress]." when downloading the meeting request updates in
> question.
>
> In addtion, we use GFI Mail Archiver to archive all our mail. It connects
> to the exchange server via IMAP and it chokes when trying to download the
> same meeting updates.
>
> This appears to be some kind of formatting problem with the way Outlook
> 2007 sends meeting request updates in Exchange 2003, but that is just an
> educated guess.
>
> I've also confirmed what Kfi and laur said about the SMTP service not even
> making an outbound connection to deliver the items. It chokes while
> trying to render the message for delivery and doesn't even get far enough
> to attempt an outbound connection to send the message. it just sits in
> the queue until expiration failure.
>
> If anyone has any solutions, thanks in advance!
>
>
>
> Mel Kerner wrote:
>
> You are required to be a member to post replies.
> 21-Aug-09
>
> You are required to be a member to post replies. After logging in or
> becoming a member, you will be redirected back to this page.
>
> Previous Posts In This Thread:
>
> On Friday, April 25, 2008 10:41 AM
> laur wrote:
>
> Updates to meetings coming back undeliverable
> Users in our organization are reporting an issue when sending meeting
> updates. The first time they send the meeting request to internal
> employees
> or outside customers, everything is fine and the meeting schedules without
> a
> problem. If the organizer needs to make a modification to the meeting,
> say
> the time, an undeliverable report will be sent to them that it did not
> reach
> all recipients, but only for outside email addresses. The undeliverable
> does
> not come back right away. The email appears to sit in the queue until it
> times out. The undeliverable received is "could not deliver the message
> in
> the time limit specified. 4.4.7". So to the organizer, they think
> everything
> has been sent out and updated without any problems because they don't
> receive
> any undeliverable right away. We are running Exchange 2003 and all users
> have Office 2007. Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
> Laura
>
> On Saturday, April 26, 2008 12:29 PM
> Diane Poremsky {MVP} wrote:
>
> Re: Updates to meetings coming back undeliverable
> From http://support.microsoft.com/kb/284204
> Numeric Code: 4.4.7
>
> Possible Cause: The message in the queue has expired. The sending server
> tried to relay or deliver the message, but the action was not completed
> before the message expiration time occurred. This NDR may also indicate
> that
> a message header limit has been reached on a remote server or that some
> other protocol timeout occurred during communication with the remote
> server.
> Troubleshooting: This code typically indicates an issue on the receiving
> server. Verify the validity of the recipient address, and verify that the
> receiving server is configured to receive messages correctly. You may have
> to reduce the number of recipients in the header of the message for the
> host
> that you are receiving this NDR from. If you resend the message, it is
> placed in the queue again. If the receiving server is on line, the message
> is delivered.
>
> Obviously, if its an update, the address and # of recipients should be ok.
> Does the NDR give any clues as to why its not getting sent or accepted by
> the outside server?
>
> --
> Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
> Author, Teach Yourself Outlook 2003 in 24 Hours
> Need Help with Common Tasks? http://www.outlook-tips.net/beginner/
> Outlook 2007: http://www.slipstick.com/outlook/ol2007/
>
> Outlook Tips by email:
> dailytips-subscribe-request@lists.outlooktips.net
>
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> Subscribe to Exchange Messaging Outlook newsletter:
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>
>
>
> "laura" <laura@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:8D4A576C-460E-4024-896D-BC4B77DCE3FD@microsoft.com...
>
> On Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:47 AM
> laur wrote:
>
> there doesn't seem to any indication why the email would just sit in the
> there doesn't seem to any indication why the email would just sit in the
> message queue until it timed out. that's what is so confusing, they're
> correct email addresses! i don't know what to look for next....
>
>
> "Diane Poremsky {MVP}" wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:51 PM
> sher wrote:
>
> Re: Updates to meetings coming back undeliverable
> Did you figure this out? We are having the same problem.
>
> "laura" wrote:
>
> On Friday, June 27, 2008 7:29 AM
> Kfi wrote:
>
> Did anyone find what is the cause and how to fix?
> Did anyone find what is the cause and how to fix?
>
> We have the same problem as well. The one thing I think we have in common
> and might be a clue is that the server is Exchange 2003 (SP2) and the
> meeting
> update requests are coming from Outlook 2007. From outlook 2003 We do not
> have that problem. This happens randomly.
>
> I checked the logs of our firewall and when it happens the Exchanges
> server
> doesn't even try to connect outside to send the message. It just sit in
> queue
> until it bounces as non delivery.
>
> Kfir
>
> "sheri" wrote:
>
> On Monday, June 30, 2008 9:01 AM
> laur wrote:
>
> Still haven't found a resolution to this issue.
> Still haven't found a resolution to this issue. I would suspect it has
> something to do with the combo of Exchange 2003 and Outlook 2007.
> Frustrating because, like you said, the message just sits in the queue
> until
> it expires. It never attempts to contact the other mail server.
>
> "Kfir" wrote:
>
> On Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:41 PM
> rya wrote:
>
> I too am having this problem... nothing found on Google...
> I too am having this problem... nothing found on Google... any help would
> be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> -- Ryan
>
> "laura" wrote:
>
> On Friday, July 25, 2008 1:29 PM
> Ryan Carnel wrote:
>
> Re: Updates to meetings coming back undeliverable
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/938650/en-us
>
> "laura" wrote:
>
> On Friday, August 21, 2009 12:57 PM
> Mel Kerner wrote:
>
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I'm still having the calendar issue as described in kb938650 after applying
the described fix in http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/938650. I
beleive all Office 2007 updates have been applied, I will verify tomorrow.

"David Laughlin" wrote:

> Exchange 2003, Outlook 2007 issue. I've already tried kb938650 to no avail.
>
> I've notice the problem only occurs with meeting updates, not the initial requests. it may have something to do with Outlook 2007, because all the failures seem to come from stations that have that version installed.
>
> I also have a couple of offsite people that connect in via IMAP, and their connections generate event ID 1023 in IMAP4SVC with the description: "Error 0x7da occurred while rendering message [MessageID] for download for user [EmailAddress]." when downloading the meeting request updates in question.
>
> In addtion, we use GFI Mail Archiver to archive all our mail. It connects to the exchange server via IMAP and it chokes when trying to download the same meeting updates.
>
> This appears to be some kind of formatting problem with the way Outlook 2007 sends meeting request updates in Exchange 2003, but that is just an educated guess.
>
> I've also confirmed what Kfi and laur said about the SMTP service not even making an outbound connection to deliver the items. It chokes while trying to render the message for delivery and doesn't even get far enough to attempt an outbound connection to send the message. it just sits in the queue until expiration failure.
>
> If anyone has any solutions, thanks in advance!
>
>
>
> Mel Kerner wrote:
>
> You are required to be a member to post replies.
> 21-Aug-09
>
> You are required to be a member to post replies. After logging in or becoming a member, you will be redirected back to this page.
>
> Previous Posts In This Thread:
>
> On Friday, April 25, 2008 10:41 AM
> laur wrote:
>
> Updates to meetings coming back undeliverable
> Users in our organization are reporting an issue when sending meeting
> updates. The first time they send the meeting request to internal employees
> or outside customers, everything is fine and the meeting schedules without a
> problem. If the organizer needs to make a modification to the meeting, say
> the time, an undeliverable report will be sent to them that it did not reach
> all recipients, but only for outside email addresses. The undeliverable does
> not come back right away. The email appears to sit in the queue until it
> times out. The undeliverable received is "could not deliver the message in
> the time limit specified. 4.4.7". So to the organizer, they think everything
> has been sent out and updated without any problems because they don't receive
> any undeliverable right away. We are running Exchange 2003 and all users
> have Office 2007. Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
> Laura
>
> On Saturday, April 26, 2008 12:29 PM
> Diane Poremsky {MVP} wrote:
>
> Re: Updates to meetings coming back undeliverable
> From http://support.microsoft.com/kb/284204
> Numeric Code: 4.4.7
>
> Possible Cause: The message in the queue has expired. The sending server
> tried to relay or deliver the message, but the action was not completed
> before the message expiration time occurred. This NDR may also indicate that
> a message header limit has been reached on a remote server or that some
> other protocol timeout occurred during communication with the remote server.
> Troubleshooting: This code typically indicates an issue on the receiving
> server. Verify the validity of the recipient address, and verify that the
> receiving server is configured to receive messages correctly. You may have
> to reduce the number of recipients in the header of the message for the host
> that you are receiving this NDR from. If you resend the message, it is
> placed in the queue again. If the receiving server is on line, the message
> is delivered.
>
> Obviously, if its an update, the address and # of recipients should be ok.
> Does the NDR give any clues as to why its not getting sent or accepted by
> the outside server?
>
> --
> Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
> Author, Teach Yourself Outlook 2003 in 24 Hours
> Need Help with Common Tasks? http://www.outlook-tips.net/beginner/
> Outlook 2007: http://www.slipstick.com/outlook/ol2007/
>
> Outlook Tips by email:
> dailytips-subscribe-request@lists.outlooktips.net
>
> Outlook Tips: http://www.outlook-tips.net/
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> Subscribe to Exchange Messaging Outlook newsletter:
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>
>
>
> "laura" <laura@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:8D4A576C-460E-4024-896D-BC4B77DCE3FD@microsoft.com...
>
> On Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:47 AM
> laur wrote:
>
> there doesn't seem to any indication why the email would just sit in the
> there doesn't seem to any indication why the email would just sit in the
> message queue until it timed out. that's what is so confusing, they're
> correct email addresses! i don't know what to look for next....
>
>
> "Diane Poremsky {MVP}" wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:51 PM
> sher wrote:
>
> Re: Updates to meetings coming back undeliverable
> Did you figure this out? We are having the same problem.
>
> "laura" wrote:
>
> On Friday, June 27, 2008 7:29 AM
> Kfi wrote:
>
> Did anyone find what is the cause and how to fix?
> Did anyone find what is the cause and how to fix?
>
> We have the same problem as well. The one thing I think we have in common
> and might be a clue is that the server is Exchange 2003 (SP2) and the meeting
> update requests are coming from Outlook 2007. From outlook 2003 We do not
> have that problem. This happens randomly.
>
> I checked the logs of our firewall and when it happens the Exchanges server
> doesn't even try to connect outside to send the message. It just sit in queue
> until it bounces as non delivery.
>
> Kfir
>
> "sheri" wrote:
>
> On Monday, June 30, 2008 9:01 AM
> laur wrote:
>
> Still haven't found a resolution to this issue.
> Still haven't found a resolution to this issue. I would suspect it has
> something to do with the combo of Exchange 2003 and Outlook 2007.
> Frustrating because, like you said, the message just sits in the queue until
> it expires. It never attempts to contact the other mail server.
>
> "Kfir" wrote:
>
> On Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:41 PM
> rya wrote:
>
> I too am having this problem... nothing found on Google...
> I too am having this problem... nothing found on Google... any help would be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> -- Ryan
>
> "laura" wrote:
>
> On Friday, July 25, 2008 1:29 PM
> Ryan Carnel wrote:
>
> Re: Updates to meetings coming back undeliverable
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/938650/en-us
>
> "laura" wrote:
>
> On Friday, August 21, 2009 12:57 PM
> Mel Kerner wrote:
>
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