Install Vista on USB drive

I checked my setup and my laptop allows boot from USB drive. When I rebooted
after setting it for USB first, I had to unplug my USB drive to get it to
look at my C drive which is where XP is installed now.

1. So can I leave my XP drive in and install Vista on the USB drive from CD
drive. It's not a thumb but a 100GB sata HD

2. Do I choose which OS to boot with by whether that USB is plugged in or
not. I thought I remembered before it would give you x number of seconds to
tell which device to select at boot. maybe that was the old laptop that only
allowed HD or CD.

This could be the best of all possible worlds for me. I hope I can do it.

I'm thinking when Vista is up and I'm happy with it I could then have a
spare mirror of my successful install to fall back on if anything went wrong
later. I wish I'd realized I had this choice before the last 2 XP clean
installs. BTW, my laptop is HP if that has any bearing. I have constant
explorer breakdowns and wonder if it's XP or XP on HP
TY, Kate

Hello Kate,

This will not work as Windows cannot boot from a USB drive.

"Kate" <kzlists@yahoo.nospam> wrote in message
news:OnDGtpxlIHA.1768@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I checked my setup and my laptop allows boot from USB drive. When I
>rebooted
> after setting it for USB first, I had to unplug my USB drive to get it to
> look at my C drive which is where XP is installed now.
>
> 1. So can I leave my XP drive in and install Vista on the USB drive from
> CD
> drive. It's not a thumb but a 100GB sata HD
>
> 2. Do I choose which OS to boot with by whether that USB is plugged in or
> not. I thought I remembered before it would give you x number of seconds
> to
> tell which device to select at boot. maybe that was the old laptop that
> only
> allowed HD or CD.
>
> This could be the best of all possible worlds for me. I hope I can do it.
>
> I'm thinking when Vista is up and I'm happy with it I could then have a
> spare mirror of my successful install to fall back on if anything went
> wrong
> later. I wish I'd realized I had this choice before the last 2 XP clean
> installs. BTW, my laptop is HP if that has any bearing. I have constant
> explorer breakdowns and wonder if it's XP or XP on HP
> TY, Kate
>
>
>

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If you tried it you would more than likely get a polite message saying that
Windows Vista cannot install on a USB drive.

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"Kate" <kzlists@yahoo.nospam> wrote in message
news:OnDGtpxlIHA.1768@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I checked my setup and my laptop allows boot from USB drive. When I
>rebooted
> after setting it for USB first, I had to unplug my USB drive to get it to
> look at my C drive which is where XP is installed now.
>
> 1. So can I leave my XP drive in and install Vista on the USB drive from
> CD
> drive. It's not a thumb but a 100GB sata HD
>
> 2. Do I choose which OS to boot with by whether that USB is plugged in or
> not. I thought I remembered before it would give you x number of seconds
> to
> tell which device to select at boot. maybe that was the old laptop that
> only
> allowed HD or CD.
>
> This could be the best of all possible worlds for me. I hope I can do it.
>
> I'm thinking when Vista is up and I'm happy with it I could then have a
> spare mirror of my successful install to fall back on if anything went
> wrong
> later. I wish I'd realized I had this choice before the last 2 XP clean
> installs. BTW, my laptop is HP if that has any bearing. I have constant
> explorer breakdowns and wonder if it's XP or XP on HP
> TY, Kate
>
>
>

Darn. If I already had it installed would it read it and operate from that
USB drive?
Kate

"John Barnett MVP" <freelance@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> If you tried it you would more than likely get a polite message saying
> that Windows Vista cannot install on a USB drive.
>
> --
> --
> John Barnett MVP
> Associate Expert
> Windows Desktop Experience
>
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>
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> for
> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of
> the
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>
> "Kate" <kzlists@yahoo.nospam> wrote in message
> news:OnDGtpxlIHA.1768@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>I checked my setup and my laptop allows boot from USB drive. When I
>>rebooted
>> after setting it for USB first, I had to unplug my USB drive to get it to
>> look at my C drive which is where XP is installed now.
>>
>> 1. So can I leave my XP drive in and install Vista on the USB drive from
>> CD
>> drive. It's not a thumb but a 100GB sata HD
>>
>> 2. Do I choose which OS to boot with by whether that USB is plugged in or
>> not. I thought I remembered before it would give you x number of seconds
>> to
>> tell which device to select at boot. maybe that was the old laptop that
>> only
>> allowed HD or CD.
>>
>> This could be the best of all possible worlds for me. I hope I can do it.
>>
>> I'm thinking when Vista is up and I'm happy with it I could then have a
>> spare mirror of my successful install to fall back on if anything went
>> wrong
>> later. I wish I'd realized I had this choice before the last 2 XP clean
>> installs. BTW, my laptop is HP if that has any bearing. I have constant
>> explorer breakdowns and wonder if it's XP or XP on HP
>> TY, Kate
>>
>>
>>
>

Throughput would be too slow to be usable even if you did get it to work.

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"Kate" <kzlists@yahoo.nospam> wrote in message
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> Darn. If I already had it installed would it read it and operate from that
> USB drive?
> Kate
>
> "John Barnett MVP" <freelance@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:23A5B7F5-CD89-48C5-A9C5-733EFBE56A06@microsoft.com...
>> If you tried it you would more than likely get a polite message saying
>> that Windows Vista cannot install on a USB drive.
>>
>> --
>> --
>> John Barnett MVP
>> Associate Expert
>> Windows Desktop Experience
>>
>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
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>> for
>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of
>> the
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>>
>> "Kate" <kzlists@yahoo.nospam> wrote in message
>> news:OnDGtpxlIHA.1768@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>I checked my setup and my laptop allows boot from USB drive. When I
>>>rebooted
>>> after setting it for USB first, I had to unplug my USB drive to get it
>>> to
>>> look at my C drive which is where XP is installed now.
>>>
>>> 1. So can I leave my XP drive in and install Vista on the USB drive from
>>> CD
>>> drive. It's not a thumb but a 100GB sata HD
>>>
>>> 2. Do I choose which OS to boot with by whether that USB is plugged in
>>> or
>>> not. I thought I remembered before it would give you x number of seconds
>>> to
>>> tell which device to select at boot. maybe that was the old laptop that
>>> only
>>> allowed HD or CD.
>>>
>>> This could be the best of all possible worlds for me. I hope I can do
>>> it.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking when Vista is up and I'm happy with it I could then have a
>>> spare mirror of my successful install to fall back on if anything went
>>> wrong
>>> later. I wish I'd realized I had this choice before the last 2 XP clean
>>> installs. BTW, my laptop is HP if that has any bearing. I have constant
>>> explorer breakdowns and wonder if it's XP or XP on HP
>>> TY, Kate
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Extremely doubtful, Kate. Anyway as Rick pointed out in his reply the
throughput would be to slow. Remember the hard drive in your PC is much
faster at dealing with requests from the operating system than a USB drive
is.


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"Kate" <kzlists@yahoo.nospam> wrote in message
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> Darn. If I already had it installed would it read it and operate from that
> USB drive?
> Kate
>
> "John Barnett MVP" <freelance@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:23A5B7F5-CD89-48C5-A9C5-733EFBE56A06@microsoft.com...
>> If you tried it you would more than likely get a polite message saying
>> that Windows Vista cannot install on a USB drive.
>>
>> --
>> --
>> John Barnett MVP
>> Associate Expert
>> Windows Desktop Experience
>>
>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>
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>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
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>> for
>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of
>> the
>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this
>> mail/post..
>>
>> "Kate" <kzlists@yahoo.nospam> wrote in message
>> news:OnDGtpxlIHA.1768@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>I checked my setup and my laptop allows boot from USB drive. When I
>>>rebooted
>>> after setting it for USB first, I had to unplug my USB drive to get it
>>> to
>>> look at my C drive which is where XP is installed now.
>>>
>>> 1. So can I leave my XP drive in and install Vista on the USB drive from
>>> CD
>>> drive. It's not a thumb but a 100GB sata HD
>>>
>>> 2. Do I choose which OS to boot with by whether that USB is plugged in
>>> or
>>> not. I thought I remembered before it would give you x number of seconds
>>> to
>>> tell which device to select at boot. maybe that was the old laptop that
>>> only
>>> allowed HD or CD.
>>>
>>> This could be the best of all possible worlds for me. I hope I can do
>>> it.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking when Vista is up and I'm happy with it I could then have a
>>> spare mirror of my successful install to fall back on if anything went
>>> wrong
>>> later. I wish I'd realized I had this choice before the last 2 XP clean
>>> installs. BTW, my laptop is HP if that has any bearing. I have constant
>>> explorer breakdowns and wonder if it's XP or XP on HP
>>> TY, Kate
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Thanks to you both
Kate

"John Barnett MVP" <freelance@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> Extremely doubtful, Kate. Anyway as Rick pointed out in his reply the
> throughput would be to slow. Remember the hard drive in your PC is much
> faster at dealing with requests from the operating system than a USB drive
> is.
>
>
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> --
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> Associate Expert
> Windows Desktop Experience
>
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> for
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> the
> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this
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> "Kate" <kzlists@yahoo.nospam> wrote in message
> news:O9Qw8gzlIHA.5660@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Darn. If I already had it installed would it read it and operate from
>> that USB drive?
>> Kate
>>
>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelance@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:23A5B7F5-CD89-48C5-A9C5-733EFBE56A06@microsoft.com...
>>> If you tried it you would more than likely get a polite message saying
>>> that Windows Vista cannot install on a USB drive.
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> John Barnett MVP
>>> Associate Expert
>>> Windows Desktop Experience
>>>
>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>
>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of
>>> any
>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable
>>> for
>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of
>>> the
>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this
>>> mail/post..
>>>
>>> "Kate" <kzlists@yahoo.nospam> wrote in message
>>> news:OnDGtpxlIHA.1768@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>I checked my setup and my laptop allows boot from USB drive. When I
>>>>rebooted
>>>> after setting it for USB first, I had to unplug my USB drive to get it
>>>> to
>>>> look at my C drive which is where XP is installed now.
>>>>
>>>> 1. So can I leave my XP drive in and install Vista on the USB drive
>>>> from CD
>>>> drive. It's not a thumb but a 100GB sata HD
>>>>
>>>> 2. Do I choose which OS to boot with by whether that USB is plugged in
>>>> or
>>>> not. I thought I remembered before it would give you x number of
>>>> seconds to
>>>> tell which device to select at boot. maybe that was the old laptop that
>>>> only
>>>> allowed HD or CD.
>>>>
>>>> This could be the best of all possible worlds for me. I hope I can do
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> I'm thinking when Vista is up and I'm happy with it I could then have a
>>>> spare mirror of my successful install to fall back on if anything went
>>>> wrong
>>>> later. I wish I'd realized I had this choice before the last 2 XP clean
>>>> installs. BTW, my laptop is HP if that has any bearing. I have constant
>>>> explorer breakdowns and wonder if it's XP or XP on HP
>>>> TY, Kate
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Kate wrote:
> I checked my setup and my laptop allows boot from USB drive. When I rebooted
> after setting it for USB first, I had to unplug my USB drive to get it to
> look at my C drive which is where XP is installed now.
>
> 1. So can I leave my XP drive in and install Vista on the USB drive from CD
> drive. It's not a thumb but a 100GB sata HD
>
> 2. Do I choose which OS to boot with by whether that USB is plugged in or
> not. I thought I remembered before it would give you x number of seconds to
> tell which device to select at boot. maybe that was the old laptop that only
> allowed HD or CD.
>
> This could be the best of all possible worlds for me. I hope I can do it.
>
> I'm thinking when Vista is up and I'm happy with it I could then have a
> spare mirror of my successful install to fall back on if anything went wrong
> later. I wish I'd realized I had this choice before the last 2 XP clean
> installs. BTW, my laptop is HP if that has any bearing. I have constant
> explorer breakdowns and wonder if it's XP or XP on HP
> TY, Kate
>
>
>

This is possible but it is unsupported. The only reason why Windows
cannot boot from a USB when installing from a standard CD (it will fail
on reboot) is because the USB drivers being installed are not setup as
being required to boot the OS. They are categorized as input devices
rather than boot devices. If you change it so that Windows treats them
as boot devices then it will work.

Why does it work? Windows loads input devices alot later in the boot
sequence. If it is required to boot then Windows will make sure to have
them loaded up so that when the BIOS hands over control to Windows then
the drivers will already be loaded. If the USB drivers are not present
then you will get a 0x7B error (INACCESSABLE_BOOT_DEVICE). I did a
proof of concept with an external 120GB hard drive and the only issue I
had hit was that Windows will still refuse to allow a swapfile on a
"removable" drive even though it is the system drive. All applications
worked as normal and any additional usb devices were detected correctly.

Source: http://www.ngine.de/index.jsp?pageid=4176

Once again this is NOT supported by Microsoft. It shows how to create a
new XP disc that will allow this. Vista is very similar except you must
do it post-install. I know I saw it out there somewhere. They did it
similar to the XP method. Post-install means that you first install it
with the drive internal to the system and modify the keys as needed.
Afterwards you move it to the external enclosure.

Now then I won't be able to help you beyond that. Good luck! Google is
your friend.

Robert Pendell wrote:
> Kate wrote:
>> I checked my setup and my laptop allows boot from USB drive. When I
>> rebooted
>> after setting it for USB first, I had to unplug my USB drive to get it to
>> look at my C drive which is where XP is installed now.
>>
>> 1. So can I leave my XP drive in and install Vista on the USB drive
>> from CD
>> drive. It's not a thumb but a 100GB sata HD
>>
>> 2. Do I choose which OS to boot with by whether that USB is plugged in or
>> not. I thought I remembered before it would give you x number of
>> seconds to
>> tell which device to select at boot. maybe that was the old laptop
>> that only
>> allowed HD or CD.
>>
>> This could be the best of all possible worlds for me. I hope I can do it.
>>
>> I'm thinking when Vista is up and I'm happy with it I could then have a
>> spare mirror of my successful install to fall back on if anything went
>> wrong
>> later. I wish I'd realized I had this choice before the last 2 XP clean
>> installs. BTW, my laptop is HP if that has any bearing. I have constant
>> explorer breakdowns and wonder if it's XP or XP on HP
>> TY, Kate
>>
>>
>>
>
> This is possible but it is unsupported. The only reason why Windows
> cannot boot from a USB when installing from a standard CD (it will fail
> on reboot) is because the USB drivers being installed are not setup as
> being required to boot the OS. They are categorized as input devices
> rather than boot devices. If you change it so that Windows treats them
> as boot devices then it will work.
>
> Why does it work? Windows loads input devices alot later in the boot
> sequence. If it is required to boot then Windows will make sure to have
> them loaded up so that when the BIOS hands over control to Windows then
> the drivers will already be loaded. If the USB drivers are not present
> then you will get a 0x7B error (INACCESSABLE_BOOT_DEVICE). I did a
> proof of concept with an external 120GB hard drive and the only issue I
> had hit was that Windows will still refuse to allow a swapfile on a
> "removable" drive even though it is the system drive. All applications
> worked as normal and any additional usb devices were detected correctly.
>
> Source: http://www.ngine.de/index.jsp?pageid=4176
>
> Once again this is NOT supported by Microsoft. It shows how to create a
> new XP disc that will allow this. Vista is very similar except you must
> do it post-install. I know I saw it out there somewhere. They did it
> similar to the XP method. Post-install means that you first install it
> with the drive internal to the system and modify the keys as needed.
> Afterwards you move it to the external enclosure.
>
> Now then I won't be able to help you beyond that. Good luck! Google is
> your friend.


Ahh.... here is the thread where someone claims to have done Vista on a
USB drive.

http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=174858

P.S. - I bugged it during the beta that it would install to external
drives. I sent them the details and it was closed as "Won't Fix".
Microsoft knows about it but isn't doing anything about it in the
installer. This is an old bug because it was present in all versions of
the XP disc as well.

Seems a lot of work, Robert and judging by the last post in the channel9
link you provided certainly not for a novice user.

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"Robert Pendell" <shinji257@noemail.noemail> wrote in message
news:OxHi$a3lIHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Robert Pendell wrote:
>> Kate wrote:
>>> I checked my setup and my laptop allows boot from USB drive. When I
>>> rebooted
>>> after setting it for USB first, I had to unplug my USB drive to get it
>>> to
>>> look at my C drive which is where XP is installed now.
>>>
>>> 1. So can I leave my XP drive in and install Vista on the USB drive from
>>> CD
>>> drive. It's not a thumb but a 100GB sata HD
>>>
>>> 2. Do I choose which OS to boot with by whether that USB is plugged in
>>> or
>>> not. I thought I remembered before it would give you x number of seconds
>>> to
>>> tell which device to select at boot. maybe that was the old laptop that
>>> only
>>> allowed HD or CD.
>>>
>>> This could be the best of all possible worlds for me. I hope I can do
>>> it.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking when Vista is up and I'm happy with it I could then have a
>>> spare mirror of my successful install to fall back on if anything went
>>> wrong
>>> later. I wish I'd realized I had this choice before the last 2 XP clean
>>> installs. BTW, my laptop is HP if that has any bearing. I have constant
>>> explorer breakdowns and wonder if it's XP or XP on HP
>>> TY, Kate
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> This is possible but it is unsupported. The only reason why Windows
>> cannot boot from a USB when installing from a standard CD (it will fail
>> on reboot) is because the USB drivers being installed are not setup as
>> being required to boot the OS. They are categorized as input devices
>> rather than boot devices. If you change it so that Windows treats them
>> as boot devices then it will work.
>>
>> Why does it work? Windows loads input devices alot later in the boot
>> sequence. If it is required to boot then Windows will make sure to have
>> them loaded up so that when the BIOS hands over control to Windows then
>> the drivers will already be loaded. If the USB drivers are not present
>> then you will get a 0x7B error (INACCESSABLE_BOOT_DEVICE). I did a proof
>> of concept with an external 120GB hard drive and the only issue I had hit
>> was that Windows will still refuse to allow a swapfile on a "removable"
>> drive even though it is the system drive. All applications worked as
>> normal and any additional usb devices were detected correctly.
>>
>> Source: http://www.ngine.de/index.jsp?pageid=4176
>>
>> Once again this is NOT supported by Microsoft. It shows how to create a
>> new XP disc that will allow this. Vista is very similar except you must
>> do it post-install. I know I saw it out there somewhere. They did it
>> similar to the XP method. Post-install means that you first install it
>> with the drive internal to the system and modify the keys as needed.
>> Afterwards you move it to the external enclosure.
>>
>> Now then I won't be able to help you beyond that. Good luck! Google is
>> your friend.
>
>
> Ahh.... here is the thread where someone claims to have done Vista on a
> USB drive.
>
> http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=174858
>
> P.S. - I bugged it during the beta that it would install to external
> drives. I sent them the details and it was closed as "Won't Fix".
> Microsoft knows about it but isn't doing anything about it in the
> installer. This is an old bug because it was present in all versions of
> the XP disc as well.