My thoughts on Vista Whiners

To all you Vista whiners and haters.

I have used Microsoft Operating Systems since Dos 3.0. Other than Windows
ME, Microsoft keeps improving each operating system and keeps adding new
functionality to it version after version. I have Vista running on two
machines and XP running on one machine on my desk and I prefer using the
Vista machines. I have found yes there are some issues that I have with
Vista but not enough to stop me from using it. I have had minor problems so
I also have had problems with XP and NT and 95 and 98 and dos etc. There is
no perfect OS. I have worked with Linux and Unix but unfortunately I am a
consultant in the real business world and don't deal with the I hate Bill
Gates users who love Linux and Unix and I have to use real operating systems
that the majority of businesses use and that's Windows operating system.
Yes there are those programmers and systems people stuck in little dark
dingy corners who use Unix and Linux to run some applications but the
majority of the business world uses Windows. I think that the anti-Vista
people are just whining over nothing. I am a programmer using Visual Studio
2008 and I prefer programming on my Vista machine over my XP machine. I
will never go back to XP. A lot of the people that have issues on these
forums with Vista are the same ones that had issues with XP and 95 and 98.
And then there are those that should not be using computers and you know who
you are. Please forgive my venting but I am tired of seeing people knock
Vista. It is a great operating system. Yes, it has issues and problems.
But again I do not try to run it on a 5 year old computer with 1 GB of ram
and a 100 MB hard drive. Because of what I do, I try to buy a new computer
every 2 years. I am also not trying to run games developed years ago on my
Vista system. No one here is trying to watch Hi Def tv on a 5 year old $200
Walmart TV. So why should you expect to run the latest and greatest
operating system and software on the same type of computer that ran Windows
95/98 and ran the software of 5 years ago. I certainly don't want to. Now
I will sit back and wait for the flaming from the "I hate Bill Gates and I
am jealous of Microsoft's success" crowd.

BillG

and no I am not that BillG. My bank account will prove it.

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:28:26 -0400, "BillG" <billgower@charter.net>
wrote:

>To all you Vista whiners and haters.
>
>I have used Microsoft Operating Systems since Dos 3.0.

And you've not yet learned to break your posts into readable segments
- a.k.a. paragraphs?

Well BillG,

I too have been using Microsoft since Dos 3.0 and never had any problems
except for minor glitches here and there, until Vista. I also buy a new
computer every 2 years or so and the one I have now is new and very
powerful. For the first 3 months that I had this computer I got the BSOD
literally every 3-5 hours of use.It slowly got better after that and SP1
stabilized it. Yes, I am happy now but there are plenty of people who have
very good reason to hate Vista. Vista was a mistake, pushed out too early
due to outside pressure. It's been almost a year and a half and they are
still working out bugs that hav been there since day 1. I am not a Vista
whiner or hater but Vista has been a train wreck. All of you people still
having problems, I feel your pain. I could go on but I'll let someone else
fill in the gaps.

Mark

"BillG" <billgower@charter.net> wrote in message
news:4DB52CAB-0A2D-4E60-B87E-A52ED8657E5B@microsoft.com...
> To all you Vista whiners and haters.
>
> I have used Microsoft Operating Systems since Dos 3.0. Other than Windows
> ME, Microsoft keeps improving each operating system and keeps adding new
> functionality to it version after version. I have Vista running on two
> machines and XP running on one machine on my desk and I prefer using the
> Vista machines. I have found yes there are some issues that I have with
> Vista but not enough to stop me from using it. I have had minor problems
> so I also have had problems with XP and NT and 95 and 98 and dos etc.
> There is no perfect OS. I have worked with Linux and Unix but
> unfortunately I am a consultant in the real business world and don't deal
> with the I hate Bill Gates users who love Linux and Unix and I have to use
> real operating systems that the majority of businesses use and that's
> Windows operating system. Yes there are those programmers and systems
> people stuck in little dark dingy corners who use Unix and Linux to run
> some applications but the majority of the business world uses Windows. I
> think that the anti-Vista people are just whining over nothing. I am a
> programmer using Visual Studio 2008 and I prefer programming on my Vista
> machine over my XP machine. I will never go back to XP. A lot of the
> people that have issues on these forums with Vista are the same ones that
> had issues with XP and 95 and 98. And then there are those that should not
> be using computers and you know who you are. Please forgive my venting
> but I am tired of seeing people knock Vista. It is a great operating
> system. Yes, it has issues and problems. But again I do not try to run it
> on a 5 year old computer with 1 GB of ram and a 100 MB hard drive.
> Because of what I do, I try to buy a new computer every 2 years. I am
> also not trying to run games developed years ago on my Vista system. No
> one here is trying to watch Hi Def tv on a 5 year old $200 Walmart TV. So
> why should you expect to run the latest and greatest operating system and
> software on the same type of computer that ran Windows 95/98 and ran the
> software of 5 years ago. I certainly don't want to. Now I will sit back
> and wait for the flaming from the "I hate Bill Gates and I am jealous of
> Microsoft's success" crowd.
>
> BillG
>
> and no I am not that BillG. My bank account will prove it.
>
>

Sorry I was rambling and when do that I just strings sentences together.

"Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message
newsv47149vglni1c8gnaoh56vod96qo8g5ee@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:28:26 -0400, "BillG" <billgower@charter.net>
> wrote:
>
>>To all you Vista whiners and haters.
>>
>>I have used Microsoft Operating Systems since Dos 3.0.
>
> And you've not yet learned to break your posts into readable segments
> - a.k.a. paragraphs?

You are a Programmer!

That says it all about your post about Vista!
--
Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia


"BillG" wrote:

> To all you Vista whiners and haters.
>
> I have used Microsoft Operating Systems since Dos 3.0. Other than Windows
> ME, Microsoft keeps improving each operating system and keeps adding new
> functionality to it version after version. I have Vista running on two
> machines and XP running on one machine on my desk and I prefer using the
> Vista machines. I have found yes there are some issues that I have with
> Vista but not enough to stop me from using it. I have had minor problems so
> I also have had problems with XP and NT and 95 and 98 and dos etc. There is
> no perfect OS. I have worked with Linux and Unix but unfortunately I am a
> consultant in the real business world and don't deal with the I hate Bill
> Gates users who love Linux and Unix and I have to use real operating systems
> that the majority of businesses use and that's Windows operating system.
> Yes there are those programmers and systems people stuck in little dark
> dingy corners who use Unix and Linux to run some applications but the
> majority of the business world uses Windows. I think that the anti-Vista
> people are just whining over nothing. I am a programmer using Visual Studio
> 2008 and I prefer programming on my Vista machine over my XP machine. I
> will never go back to XP. A lot of the people that have issues on these
> forums with Vista are the same ones that had issues with XP and 95 and 98.
> And then there are those that should not be using computers and you know who
> you are. Please forgive my venting but I am tired of seeing people knock
> Vista. It is a great operating system. Yes, it has issues and problems.
> But again I do not try to run it on a 5 year old computer with 1 GB of ram
> and a 100 MB hard drive. Because of what I do, I try to buy a new computer
> every 2 years. I am also not trying to run games developed years ago on my
> Vista system. No one here is trying to watch Hi Def tv on a 5 year old $200
> Walmart TV. So why should you expect to run the latest and greatest
> operating system and software on the same type of computer that ran Windows
> 95/98 and ran the software of 5 years ago. I certainly don't want to. Now
> I will sit back and wait for the flaming from the "I hate Bill Gates and I
> am jealous of Microsoft's success" crowd.
>
> BillG
>
> and no I am not that BillG. My bank account will prove it.
>
>
>

"BillG" <billgower@charter.net> wrote in message
news:4DB52CAB-0A2D-4E60-B87E-A52ED8657E5B@microsoft.com...
> To all you Vista whiners and haters.
>
> I have used Microsoft Operating Systems since Dos 3.0. Other than Windows
> ME, Microsoft keeps improving each operating system and keeps adding new
> functionality to it version after version. I have Vista running on two
> machines and XP running on one machine on my desk and I prefer using the
> Vista machines. I have found yes there are some issues that I have with
> Vista but not enough to stop me from using it. I have had minor problems
> so I also have had problems with XP and NT and 95 and 98 and dos etc.
> There is no perfect OS. I have worked with Linux and Unix but
> unfortunately I am a consultant in the real business world and don't deal
> with the I hate Bill Gates users who love Linux and Unix and I have to use
> real operating systems that the majority of businesses use and that's
> Windows operating system. Yes there are those programmers and systems
> people stuck in little dark dingy corners who use Unix and Linux to run
> some applications but the majority of the business world uses Windows. I
> think that the anti-Vista people are just whining over nothing. I am a
> programmer using Visual Studio 2008 and I prefer programming on my Vista
> machine over my XP machine. I will never go back to XP. A lot of the
> people that have issues on these forums with Vista are the same ones that
> had issues with XP and 95 and 98. And then there are those that should not
> be using computers and you know who you are. Please forgive my venting
> but I am tired of seeing people knock Vista. It is a great operating
> system. Yes, it has issues and problems. But again I do not try to run it
> on a 5 year old computer with 1 GB of ram and a 100 MB hard drive.
> Because of what I do, I try to buy a new computer every 2 years. I am
> also not trying to run games developed years ago on my Vista system. No
> one here is trying to watch Hi Def tv on a 5 year old $200 Walmart TV. So
> why should you expect to run the latest and greatest operating system and
> software on the same type of computer that ran Windows 95/98 and ran the
> software of 5 years ago. I certainly don't want to. Now I will sit back
> and wait for the flaming from the "I hate Bill Gates and I am jealous of
> Microsoft's success" crowd.
>
> BillG
>
> and no I am not that BillG. My bank account will prove it.


I second your opinion if that is possible. I think most of the haters are
the same people I've seen and PLONKED from years ago (Mikey with the
traveling scroll line as an example has been around bashing since '98). I
started with Windows 3.1 on a 286. All OS's have problems or things you see
as problems. Open a utility that shows what is going on when you double
click an icon to launch a program and you will wonder how any of this works
at all. I have had Vista running for 30 days without rebooting and only did
so because of an update that required it. I've found the little quirks that
Vista has over comes some of the shortfalls of the other choices for OS's. I
tried Ubuntu...yuck. I do use Linux at work as that is what is used to run
things (tech field, MEDM..yada yada). It is stable but I can't run Autocad
on it I can't find a decent news reader that will mark read messages as read
time after time. The linux news groups are horrible if you have a problem
YOU ARE THE IDIOT that can't figure out the OS....

I like Vista and look forward to the future of windows as even if you give
it away for free you still can't get such a small percentage of desktops I
think that's telling of the future of Linux and that community as who would
write applications that the whole community thinks they should get for free
as most of the craplications for linux are free and worth what you paid for
them!

Rich

"Rich" <madeyoulook@dot.com> wrote in message
news:e7#EU99pIHA.1736@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> "BillG" <billgower@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:4DB52CAB-0A2D-4E60-B87E-A52ED8657E5B@microsoft.com...
>> To all you Vista whiners and haters.
>>
>> I have used Microsoft Operating Systems since Dos 3.0. Other than
>> Windows ME, Microsoft keeps improving each operating system and keeps
>> adding new functionality to it version after version. I have Vista
>> running on two machines and XP running on one machine on my desk and I
>> prefer using the Vista machines. I have found yes there are some issues
>> that I have with Vista but not enough to stop me from using it. I have
>> had minor problems so I also have had problems with XP and NT and 95 and
>> 98 and dos etc. There is no perfect OS. I have worked with Linux and
>> Unix but unfortunately I am a consultant in the real business world and
>> don't deal with the I hate Bill Gates users who love Linux and Unix and I
>> have to use real operating systems that the majority of businesses use
>> and that's Windows operating system. Yes there are those programmers and
>> systems people stuck in little dark dingy corners who use Unix and Linux
>> to run some applications but the majority of the business world uses
>> Windows. I think that the anti-Vista people are just whining over
>> nothing. I am a programmer using Visual Studio 2008 and I prefer
>> programming on my Vista machine over my XP machine. I will never go back
>> to XP. A lot of the people that have issues on these forums with Vista
>> are the same ones that had issues with XP and 95 and 98. And then there
>> are those that should not be using computers and you know who you are.
>> Please forgive my venting but I am tired of seeing people knock Vista.
>> It is a great operating system. Yes, it has issues and problems. But
>> again I do not try to run it on a 5 year old computer with 1 GB of ram
>> and a 100 MB hard drive. Because of what I do, I try to buy a new
>> computer every 2 years. I am also not trying to run games developed
>> years ago on my Vista system. No one here is trying to watch Hi Def tv
>> on a 5 year old $200 Walmart TV. So why should you expect to run the
>> latest and greatest operating system and software on the same type of
>> computer that ran Windows 95/98 and ran the software of 5 years ago. I
>> certainly don't want to. Now I will sit back and wait for the flaming
>> from the "I hate Bill Gates and I am jealous of Microsoft's success"
>> crowd.
>>
>> BillG
>>
>> and no I am not that BillG. My bank account will prove it.
>
>
> I second your opinion if that is possible. I think most of the haters are
> the same people I've seen and PLONKED from years ago (Mikey with the
> traveling scroll line as an example has been around bashing since '98). I
> started with Windows 3.1 on a 286. All OS's have problems or things you
> see as problems. Open a utility that shows what is going on when you
> double click an icon to launch a program and you will wonder how any of
> this works at all. I have had Vista running for 30 days without rebooting
> and only did so because of an update that required it. I've found the
> little quirks that Vista has over comes some of the shortfalls of the
> other choices for OS's. I tried Ubuntu...yuck. I do use Linux at work as
> that is what is used to run things (tech field, MEDM..yada yada). It is
> stable but I can't run Autocad on it I can't find a decent news reader
> that will mark read messages as read time after time. The linux news
> groups are horrible if you have a problem YOU ARE THE IDIOT that can't
> figure out the OS....
>
> I like Vista and look forward to the future of windows as even if you give
> it away for free you still can't get such a small percentage of desktops I
> think that's telling of the future of Linux and that community as who
> would write applications that the whole community thinks they should get
> for free as most of the craplications for linux are free and worth what
> you paid for them!
>


I would have to third it.
I installed Vista Ultimate 64 bit in a dual boot environment with XP Pro,
and love Vista 64 bit.
I rarely boot into XP any more.


--
Don

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:28:26 -0400, BillG wrote:

> To all you Vista whiners and haters.
>
> I have used Microsoft Operating Systems since Dos 3.0. Other than
> Windows ME, Microsoft keeps improving each operating system and keeps
> adding new functionality to it version after version. I have Vista
> running on two machines and XP running on one machine on my desk and I
> prefer using the Vista machines. I have found yes there are some issues
> that I have with Vista but not enough to stop me from using it. I have
> had minor problems so I also have had problems with XP and NT and 95 and
> 98 and dos etc. There is no perfect OS. I have worked with Linux and
> Unix but unfortunately I am a consultant in the real business world and
> don't deal with the I hate Bill Gates users who love Linux and Unix and
> I have to use real operating systems that the majority of businesses use
> and that's Windows operating system. Yes there are those programmers and
> systems people stuck in little dark dingy corners who use Unix and Linux
> to run some applications but the majority of the business world uses
> Windows. I think that the anti-Vista people are just whining over
> nothing. I am a programmer using Visual Studio 2008 and I prefer
> programming on my Vista machine over my XP machine. I will never go
> back to XP. A lot of the people that have issues on these forums with
> Vista are the same ones that had issues with XP and 95 and 98. And then
> there are those that should not be using computers and you know who you
> are. Please forgive my venting but I am tired of seeing people knock
> Vista. It is a great operating system. Yes, it has issues and
> problems. But again I do not try to run it on a 5 year old computer with
> 1 GB of ram and a 100 MB hard drive. Because of what I do, I try to buy
> a new computer every 2 years. I am also not trying to run games
> developed years ago on my Vista system. No one here is trying to watch
> Hi Def tv on a 5 year old $200 Walmart TV. So why should you expect to
> run the latest and greatest operating system and software on the same
> type of computer that ran Windows 95/98 and ran the software of 5 years
> ago. I certainly don't want to. Now I will sit back and wait for the
> flaming from the "I hate Bill Gates and I am jealous of Microsoft's
> success" crowd.
>
> BillG
>
> and no I am not that BillG. My bank account will prove it.

Past success is no indication of future success's. Novell, IBM-PC, VAX,
Digital, mainframes, Sperry-UNIVAC, Perkin-Elmer, PDP and others. WinMe
already made this club. Sooner or later will be joined by Microsoft as
the software business catches up in becoming a commodity after being a
monopoly for so long.

The real problem is the Microsoft business model. They can produce Win7,
Win8, Win66 but the basics are still the same there is nothing to make
people want to buy it. Each time, getting billions in profits and now
both from technology point of view and from a cost point of view they are
out of gas.

Win7, likely will just be fixed up Vista repackaged so people have to re-
purchase it. So why be a beta tester if you don't need to be? Which is
why Vista's acceptance is pitiful at best.

Heck, I wonder how long GM would last if you could only buy one type of
car, say like say a Oldsmobile Vista. Basic, G, GL and XGL. You can
have any one, but must be a Oldsmobile Vista. It would not take long and
Toyota would slaughter GM. Only Microsoft arrogance and monopolistic
behaviours let it get away with Vista, Vista or Vista for home users.

Oh, I know you can get XP, spend an extra $700 on the business side of
Dell or something. I am talking the Best Buy stores and places where
most people buy PCs, you are not getting anything but Vista.

Win95, people lined up at midnight for that one. Each version since gets
a slower adoption rate. Future adoption rates are most likely to be
driven by hardware attrition, but today's PCs can and do run XP.

Someone in Redmond thumping the desk for more revenue can thump all they
want, but the business model is changing and will do so, with, or without
Microsoft.

And by the way, I believe Vista is stable, but runs like a constipated
snail. Vista is like a dumb, beautiful high cost, high maintenance blond
with a bad personality that gets along with no one but themselves. Slow
file/network copy is a stellar example. Should have never been
released. But it's release will do wonders for open source.

BTW, I have been running computers before Bill Gates made his first sale
of DOS to IBM. I also buy a new computer every 2 years or less. But
this is the first time I have every switched the OS from what came with
it in less than 2 months.

Bill, first of all let me second your general opinions about Vista.

I've got two Vista machines running myself - one of them a brand-new Dell
XPS 410 for my wife, and another one a five-year-old Dell 8300 that I
upgraded a little to boost the experience index and make it a better gamer.
Power supply, new video card, maxed out the RAM. No problems to speak of,
not a single BSOD on either one of them, no driver problems on the 8300
after I did my research with the vendors for driver updates. The wife had a
few page faults, before she got herself retrained from the XP UI to Vista,
but she's happy now. I even got the Vista machines networking after a little
work, which seems to be driving everyone crazy over in the
vista.network-sharing group.

No problems. They Just Work.

But here's my question for you: I'm a long-time .Net programmer myself. My
home dev system is XP, my office system is Windows Server 2003, running as a
workstation. Like most programmers, I spend a LOT of time roaming around the
file system - searching for dll's and config files, copying assemblies from
build directories to assembly library directories, updating from source
control and copying files around, all that stuff that we do during a day in
the life. Hardly any of this stuff involves the My Documents folder tree.

And I'm just not getting that warm fuzzy feeling from doing all those file
system operations on Vista, so I haven't taken my home dev system over to it
yet. It's like the OS assumes that I'm an uneducated home computer user, who
would never dream of putting anything anywhere besides My Documents. Try to
do a search on a directory that the Vista people didn't think needed
indexing? Good luck.

So how is this kind of thing working for you? Have you had to do tweaks to
make it work smoothly, or full-text-index the whole hard drive, or what? If
I could get over that one speed bump, I'd leave my XP partition behind in a
hot second.

Thanks,
Tom Dacon
Dacon Software Consulting

I found this interesting article a while back and he talks about
reorganizing where your documents are stored. Take a look at the section on
Drive and File System tweaks, which addresses your question.

http://tweakhound.com/vista/tweakguide/index.htm

BillG


"Tom Dacon" <tdacon@community.nospam> wrote in message
news:%23$i72k%23pIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Bill, first of all let me second your general opinions about Vista.
>
> I've got two Vista machines running myself - one of them a brand-new Dell
> XPS 410 for my wife, and another one a five-year-old Dell 8300 that I
> upgraded a little to boost the experience index and make it a better
> gamer. Power supply, new video card, maxed out the RAM. No problems to
> speak of, not a single BSOD on either one of them, no driver problems on
> the 8300 after I did my research with the vendors for driver updates. The
> wife had a few page faults, before she got herself retrained from the XP
> UI to Vista, but she's happy now. I even got the Vista machines networking
> after a little work, which seems to be driving everyone crazy over in the
> vista.network-sharing group.
>
> No problems. They Just Work.
>
> But here's my question for you: I'm a long-time .Net programmer myself. My
> home dev system is XP, my office system is Windows Server 2003, running as
> a workstation. Like most programmers, I spend a LOT of time roaming around
> the file system - searching for dll's and config files, copying assemblies
> from build directories to assembly library directories, updating from
> source control and copying files around, all that stuff that we do during
> a day in the life. Hardly any of this stuff involves the My Documents
> folder tree.
>
> And I'm just not getting that warm fuzzy feeling from doing all those file
> system operations on Vista, so I haven't taken my home dev system over to
> it yet. It's like the OS assumes that I'm an uneducated home computer
> user, who would never dream of putting anything anywhere besides My
> Documents. Try to do a search on a directory that the Vista people didn't
> think needed indexing? Good luck.
>
> So how is this kind of thing working for you? Have you had to do tweaks to
> make it work smoothly, or full-text-index the whole hard drive, or what?
> If I could get over that one speed bump, I'd leave my XP partition behind
> in a hot second.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Dacon
> Dacon Software Consulting
>
>
>
>
>