Can't see very simple HTML pages with Norton Internet Security!!!!!

Norton! What a pain in the butt!!!

I've just spent a few days trying to do something really simple, and
I'm furious!!!!

I took some pictures on the weekend, and downloaded Web Picture
Creator 1.8.
Let's put them on my new domain I thought. Yeah right.

Web Picture Creator 1.8 worked easily enough. After I cleared out
some space.
(turned that my hard drive was bad, and that wasted enough hours!)

Then I uploaded everything to my domain. The web page loaded.
But I can't see the pictures.

I call the ISP. They can see the pictures. Hmm!

The Norton logs say:


Content Blocked:

Date Time: 4/3/2007 2:38:55 PM
User:
Action: Blocked
Type: Ad
URL: http://www.?domain?.com/?directory?/index.html
Data: IMG src="thumbnails/thumb_DSC_0973.JPG" (Reason: width=120
height=80)

I call Norton and finally get someone in India.


Turn off ad blocking, and popup blocking. It works.
So, Norton is the culprit.


Norton Internet Security
Status and settings,
Privacy control
Configure
Advanced
Ad blocking


Spend about 2 hours with Norton on the phone.
The guy's solution: reinstall!

I say No way. Send the expert.



Eventually get a call back later from Symantec. The brains this
time.


We install TeamView. From: http://www.dyngate.com/licensing/
It allows him to see my machine.

He checks the webpage at:

http://validator.w3.org/


Below are the results of attempting to parse this document with an
SGML parser.

Error Line 15 column 162: required attribute "ALT" not specified.
....DSC_0961.JPG" width="120" height="80"></a></div></td>The attribute
given above is required for an element that you've used, but you have
omitted it. For instance, in most HTML and XHTML document types the
"type" attribute is required on the "script" element and the "alt"
attribute is required for the "img" element.

Typical values for type are type="text/css" for <style> and type="text/
javascript" for <script>.


It says that the problem is that the website is missing the > sign
after: height="80"

Norton interprets this as a potential problem.


I change the HTML To:

<tr>
<td valign="top" width="120"><div align="center"><a href="photos/
DSC_0961.html"><img class="thumb" src="thumbnails/thumb_DSC_0961.JPG"
width="120" height="80" alt="picture" > </a></div></td>
<td valign="top" width="120"><div align="center"><a href="photos/
DSC_0962.html"><img class="thumb" src="thumbnails/thumb_DSC_0962.JPG"
width="120" height="80" alt="picture" > </a></div></td>



But, I still have problems!!!! I still can't see the images.

But the guy at my ISP can. And my friends can.



But if that's not enough, get this!!!!

Now, after I refresh the webpage, major parts of the HTML don't even
come back in the browser!!!



<tr>

<td valign="top" width="120"><div align="center"><a href="photos/
DSC_0961.html"> </a></div></td>
<td valign="top" width="120"><div align="center"><a href="photos/
DSC_0962.html"> </a></div></td>


The whole IMG tag is now missing!!!!
The guy at my ISP can see it.
But it does not get through the Norton on my machine!


I can understand some kinds of strange code. But this is just pure
very simple HTML code. No java, javascript, asp, etc.


Can you believe it?????


I've spent at least 5 hours trying to deal with this!!!!


What is a better security system than Norton????

photoguy_222@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> What is a better security system than Norton????


Pick a name, any name.....

Fup: comp.security.firewalls

photoguy_222@yahoo.com wrote:
> Norton! What a pain in the butt!!!

Took a while to find out that... Nothing really unusual about your problems.

> What is a better security system than Norton????

You! No software is better than you. Any other security software will
have the same issues sooner or later. It is inherent in the way they are
designed and because it is still dumb software and nothing else.

Gerald

On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:19:26 +0900, Gerald Vogt <vogt@spamcop.net>
wrote:

>Fup: comp.security.firewalls
>
>photoguy_222@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Norton! What a pain in the butt!!!
>
>Took a while to find out that... Nothing really unusual about your problems.
>
>> What is a better security system than Norton????
>
>You! No software is better than you.

Woah, woah, woah...hold up there. That ONLY works if the user is
INTELLIGENT, if the user is an IDIOT...then no, stick with Norton. It
might be an unbudging bitch of a cyber nanny, but if yer a complete
****up then it'll keep you out of trouble and that's just what some
users need.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the **** up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty ****ing high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

On 3 Apr 2007 17:42:20 -0700, photoguy_222@yahoo.com wrote:

>Norton! What a pain in the butt!!!
>
>I've just spent a few days trying to do something really simple, and
>I'm furious!!!!
>
>I took some pictures on the weekend, and downloaded Web Picture
>Creator 1.8.
>Let's put them on my new domain I thought. Yeah right.
>
>Web Picture Creator 1.8 worked easily enough. After I cleared out
>some space.
>(turned that my hard drive was bad, and that wasted enough hours!)
>
>Then I uploaded everything to my domain. The web page loaded.
>But I can't see the pictures.
>
>I call the ISP. They can see the pictures. Hmm!
>
>The Norton logs say:
>
>
>Content Blocked:
>
>Date Time: 4/3/2007 2:38:55 PM
>User:
>Action: Blocked
>Type: Ad
>URL: http://www.?domain?.com/?directory?/index.html
>Data: IMG src="thumbnails/thumb_DSC_0973.JPG" (Reason: width=120
>height=80)

Well that's the answer right there...I guess you must just be an
idiot. I mean, can't you read? Norton is obviously setup to block
images of a specific size, a size which is often used by spam
advertisements. Simply crop your images by a pixel or two, that
should solve the problem. Or just look through the settings in
Norton, there's probably something there that lets you get real
specific about the type of ad and popup blocking that it does.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the **** up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty ****ing high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:20:04 -0700, Onideus Mad Hatter
<usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:19:26 +0900, Gerald Vogt <vogt@spamcop.net>
>wrote:
>
>>You! No software is better than you.
>
>Woah, woah, woah...hold up there. That ONLY works if the user is
>INTELLIGENT, if the user is an IDIOT...then no, stick with Norton.

If the user is an idiot, that is what needs fixing.

>It might be an unbudging bitch of a cyber nanny, but if yer a complete
>****up then it'll keep you out of trouble

or add to them

>and that's just what some users need.

Users need to know what they are doing.

On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 05:41:54 GMT, B. Nice <b__nice@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:20:04 -0700, Onideus Mad Hatter
><usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:19:26 +0900, Gerald Vogt <vogt@spamcop.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>You! No software is better than you.
>>
>>Woah, woah, woah...hold up there. That ONLY works if the user is
>>INTELLIGENT, if the user is an IDIOT...then no, stick with Norton.
>
>If the user is an idiot, that is what needs fixing.
>
>>It might be an unbudging bitch of a cyber nanny, but if yer a complete
>>****up then it'll keep you out of trouble
>
>or add to them
>
>>and that's just what some users need.
>
>Users need to know what they are doing.

But a lot of users simply cannot be educated. You know there's a
reason they stopped referring to retards as "trainables"...and it
wasn't because it wasn't PC, it's because IT SIMPLY WASN'T TRUE. o_O

You can't fix stupid.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the **** up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty ****ing high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

photoguy_222@yahoo.com wrote:
> Norton! What a pain in the butt!!!
<SNIP>
> What is a better security system than Norton????

Where's Seb Gottschalk when he's needed?
;^)

Jim Ford

On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:47:53 -0700, Onideus Mad Hatter
<usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote:

>You can't fix stupid.

Then you can't protect stupid either.

On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:42:20 -0700, photoguy_222 wrote:

> Norton! What a pain in the butt!!!
>
> I've just spent a few days trying to do something really simple, and
> I'm furious!!!!
>
> I took some pictures on the weekend, and downloaded Web Picture
> Creator 1.8.
> Let's put them on my new domain I thought. Yeah right.
>
> Web Picture Creator 1.8 worked easily enough. After I cleared out
> some space.
> (turned that my hard drive was bad, and that wasted enough hours!)
>
> Then I uploaded everything to my domain. The web page loaded.
> But I can't see the pictures.
>
> I call the ISP. They can see the pictures. Hmm!
>
> The Norton logs say:
>
>
> Content Blocked:
>
> Date Time: 4/3/2007 2:38:55 PM
> User:
> Action: Blocked
> Type: Ad
> URL: http://www.?domain?.com/?directory?/index.html
> Data: IMG src="thumbnails/thumb_DSC_0973.JPG" (Reason: width=120
> height=80)
>
> I call Norton and finally get someone in India.
>
>
> Turn off ad blocking, and popup blocking. It works.
> So, Norton is the culprit.
>
>
> Norton Internet Security
> Status and settings,
> Privacy control
> Configure
> Advanced
> Ad blocking
>
>
> Spend about 2 hours with Norton on the phone.
> The guy's solution: reinstall!
>
> I say No way. Send the expert.
>
>
>
> Eventually get a call back later from Symantec. The brains this
> time.
>
>
> We install TeamView. From: http://www.dyngate.com/licensing/
> It allows him to see my machine.
>
> He checks the webpage at:
>
> http://validator.w3.org/
>
>
> Below are the results of attempting to parse this document with an
> SGML parser.
>
> Error Line 15 column 162: required attribute "ALT" not specified.
> ...DSC_0961.JPG" width="120" height="80"></a></div></td>The attribute
> given above is required for an element that you've used, but you have
> omitted it. For instance, in most HTML and XHTML document types the
> "type" attribute is required on the "script" element and the "alt"
> attribute is required for the "img" element.
>
> Typical values for type are type="text/css" for <style> and type="text/
> javascript" for <script>.
>
>
> It says that the problem is that the website is missing the > sign
> after: height="80"
>
> Norton interprets this as a potential problem.
>
>
> I change the HTML To:
>
> <tr>
> <td valign="top" width="120"><div align="center"><a href="photos/
> DSC_0961.html"><img class="thumb" src="thumbnails/thumb_DSC_0961.JPG"
> width="120" height="80" alt="picture" > </a></div></td>
> <td valign="top" width="120"><div align="center"><a href="photos/
> DSC_0962.html"><img class="thumb" src="thumbnails/thumb_DSC_0962.JPG"
> width="120" height="80" alt="picture" > </a></div></td>
>
>
>
> But, I still have problems!!!! I still can't see the images.
>
> But the guy at my ISP can. And my friends can.
>
>
>
> But if that's not enough, get this!!!!
>
> Now, after I refresh the webpage, major parts of the HTML don't even
> come back in the browser!!!
>
>
>
> <tr>
>
> <td valign="top" width="120"><div align="center"><a href="photos/
> DSC_0961.html"> </a></div></td>
> <td valign="top" width="120"><div align="center"><a href="photos/
> DSC_0962.html"> </a></div></td>
>
>
> The whole IMG tag is now missing!!!!
> The guy at my ISP can see it.
> But it does not get through the Norton on my machine!
>
>
> I can understand some kinds of strange code. But this is just pure
> very simple HTML code. No java, javascript, asp, etc.
>
>
> Can you believe it?????
>
>
> I've spent at least 5 hours trying to deal with this!!!!
>
>
> What is a better security system than Norton????

I'd suggest you try a Linux Live CD - Knoppix is the standard by which
others are measured. I've been running Linux on four home computers for
five years online 24/7/365 via a broadband connection. During that time we
have had zero malware infestations. I do not bother with anything like
norton - I simply use the system defaults, and everything works. I cannot
understand why MS people keep beating themselves up like this. Linux will
also come with GIMP image manipulation program, OpenOffice suite, and
about 25000 other free programs. The only shortcoming I've found so far:
there does not seem to be a decent simple program for printing greeting
cards - so I run an MS one on Linux under WINE.