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Does anyone know if Microsoft are relaesing a download to sort out the
problem with "Windows Mail"? The "Cant delete mail from deleted messages"
problem

* Phil:
> Does anyone know if Microsoft are relaesing a download to sort out the
> problem with "Windows Mail"? The "Cant delete mail from deleted messages"
> problem

The download is called Windows Live Mail;
http://get.live.com/betas/maildesktop_betas


-Michael

"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
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>* Phil:
>> Does anyone know if Microsoft are relaesing a download to sort out the
>> problem with "Windows Mail"? The "Cant delete mail from deleted
>> messages"
>> problem
>
> The download is called Windows Live Mail;
> http://get.live.com/betas/maildesktop_betas
>
>
> -Michael

That is what is being touted, but it is hardly an upgrade of the Windows
Mail program. It may be a follow-on. But I for one won't use a web based
system. I have Mozilla Thunderbird and will use it as my newsreader. I use
Office Outlook for e-mail.

"Charles W Davis" <Anthemwebs@lvcoxmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
> news:OvoFSG5qHHA.4624@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>* Phil:
>>> Does anyone know if Microsoft are relaesing a download to sort out the
>>> problem with "Windows Mail"? The "Cant delete mail from deleted
>>> messages"
>>> problem
>>
>> The download is called Windows Live Mail;
>> http://get.live.com/betas/maildesktop_betas
>>
>>
>> -Michael
>
> That is what is being touted, but it is hardly an upgrade of the Windows
> Mail program. It may be a follow-on. But I for one won't use a web based
> system. I have Mozilla Thunderbird and will use it as my newsreader. I use
> Office Outlook for e-mail.

Web based system?
WLM isn't one of those.
WLM is an email client..

Julian wrote:
>
>
> "Charles W Davis" <Anthemwebs@lvcoxmail.com> wrote in message
> news:E82381DA-2E58-4655-B5AA-D48CA319C1B0@microsoft.com...
>>
>> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
>> news:OvoFSG5qHHA.4624@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> * Phil:
>>>> Does anyone know if Microsoft are relaesing a download to sort out the
>>>> problem with "Windows Mail"? The "Cant delete mail from deleted
>>>> messages"
>>>> problem
>>>
>>> The download is called Windows Live Mail;
>>> http://get.live.com/betas/maildesktop_betas
>>>
>>>
>>> -Michael
>>
>> That is what is being touted, but it is hardly an upgrade of the
>> Windows Mail program. It may be a follow-on. But I for one won't use a
>> web based system. I have Mozilla Thunderbird and will use it as my
>> newsreader. I use Office Outlook for e-mail.
>
> Web based system?
> WLM isn't one of those.
> WLM is an email client..


It might someday become one, if I ever manage to get a version that
actually works

* Charles W Davis:
> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
> news:OvoFSG5qHHA.4624@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> * Phil:
>>> Does anyone know if Microsoft are relaesing a download to sort out the
>>> problem with "Windows Mail"? The "Cant delete mail from deleted
>>> messages"
>>> problem
>> The download is called Windows Live Mail;
>> http://get.live.com/betas/maildesktop_betas

> That is what is being touted, but it is hardly an upgrade of the Windows
> Mail program. It may be a follow-on. But I for one won't use a web based
> system. I have Mozilla Thunderbird and will use it as my newsreader. I use
> Office Outlook for e-mail.

Charles,

I also use Thunderbird for newsgroups and Outlook for email.

Windows Live Mail is not "web based", it's an actual email and
newsreader client. It's okay for email and a bit better than WM
for newsgroups. But, it still doesn't handle newsgroups nearly as
well as Thunderbird.


-Michael

"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> * Charles W Davis:
>> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
>> news:OvoFSG5qHHA.4624@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> * Phil:
>>>> Does anyone know if Microsoft are relaesing a download to sort out the
>>>> problem with "Windows Mail"? The "Cant delete mail from deleted
>>>> messages"
>>>> problem
>>> The download is called Windows Live Mail;
>>> http://get.live.com/betas/maildesktop_betas
>
>> That is what is being touted, but it is hardly an upgrade of the Windows
>> Mail program. It may be a follow-on. But I for one won't use a web based
>> system. I have Mozilla Thunderbird and will use it as my newsreader. I
>> use
>> Office Outlook for e-mail.
>
> Charles,
>
> I also use Thunderbird for newsgroups and Outlook for email.
>
> Windows Live Mail is not "web based", it's an actual email and
> newsreader client. It's okay for email and a bit better than WM
> for newsgroups. But, it still doesn't handle newsgroups nearly as
> well as Thunderbird.

Apart from the grievous functional deficiencies of
Thunderbird as a newsreader.

* Julian:
>
> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
> news:#ZHI9WCrHHA.4984@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>
>> * Charles W Davis:
>>> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
>>> news:OvoFSG5qHHA.4624@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> * Phil:
>>>>> Does anyone know if Microsoft are relaesing a download to sort out the
>>>>> problem with "Windows Mail"? The "Cant delete mail from deleted
>>>>> messages"
>>>>> problem
>>>> The download is called Windows Live Mail;
>>>> http://get.live.com/betas/maildesktop_betas
>>> That is what is being touted, but it is hardly an upgrade of the Windows
>>> Mail program. It may be a follow-on. But I for one won't use a web based
>>> system. I have Mozilla Thunderbird and will use it as my newsreader. I
>>> use
>>> Office Outlook for e-mail.
>> Charles,
>>
>> I also use Thunderbird for newsgroups and Outlook for email.
>>
>> Windows Live Mail is not "web based", it's an actual email and
>> newsreader client. It's okay for email and a bit better than WM
>> for newsgroups. But, it still doesn't handle newsgroups nearly as
>> well as Thunderbird.
>
> Apart from the grievous functional deficiencies of
> Thunderbird as a newsreader.

Any "grievous functional deficiencies" Thunderbird may
have, are minor compared to WM and WLM horrid handling
and ultimately choking many times while trying to read newsgroups.

The only thing that I wish Thunderbird would do, is mark cross-posted
messages read once you read them in one group. Otherwise, it's simply
a better program than WM or WLM.


-Michael

"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
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>* Julian:
>>
>> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
>> news:#ZHI9WCrHHA.4984@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> * Charles W Davis:
>>>> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:OvoFSG5qHHA.4624@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>> * Phil:
>>>>>> Does anyone know if Microsoft are relaesing a download to sort out
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> problem with "Windows Mail"? The "Cant delete mail from deleted
>>>>>> messages"
>>>>>> problem
>>>>> The download is called Windows Live Mail;
>>>>> http://get.live.com/betas/maildesktop_betas
>>>> That is what is being touted, but it is hardly an upgrade of the
>>>> Windows
>>>> Mail program. It may be a follow-on. But I for one won't use a web
>>>> based
>>>> system. I have Mozilla Thunderbird and will use it as my newsreader. I
>>>> use
>>>> Office Outlook for e-mail.
>>> Charles,
>>>
>>> I also use Thunderbird for newsgroups and Outlook for email.
>>>
>>> Windows Live Mail is not "web based", it's an actual email and
>>> newsreader client. It's okay for email and a bit better than WM
>>> for newsgroups. But, it still doesn't handle newsgroups nearly as
>>> well as Thunderbird.
>>
>> Apart from the grievous functional deficiencies of
>> Thunderbird as a newsreader.
>
> Any "grievous functional deficiencies" Thunderbird may
> have, are minor compared to WM and WLM horrid handling
> and ultimately choking many times while trying to read newsgroups.
>
> The only thing that I wish Thunderbird would do, is mark cross-posted
> messages read once you read them in one group. Otherwise, it's simply
> a better program than WM or WLM.

I'm not getting any of the rumored performance problems with
WLM newsgroup processing.

For instance... I just marked as read 3000 Vista.general posts
and it took a couple of seconds max.

From a stability and performance POV
WLM is a big improvement on WM.

* Julian:
>
> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
> news:eiRT5uCrHHA.3484@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> * Julian:
>>> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
>>> news:#ZHI9WCrHHA.4984@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> * Charles W Davis:
>>>>> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:OvoFSG5qHHA.4624@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> * Phil:
>>>>>>> Does anyone know if Microsoft are relaesing a download to sort out
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> problem with "Windows Mail"? The "Cant delete mail from deleted
>>>>>>> messages"
>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>> The download is called Windows Live Mail;
>>>>>> http://get.live.com/betas/maildesktop_betas
>>>>> That is what is being touted, but it is hardly an upgrade of the
>>>>> Windows
>>>>> Mail program. It may be a follow-on. But I for one won't use a web
>>>>> based
>>>>> system. I have Mozilla Thunderbird and will use it as my newsreader. I
>>>>> use
>>>>> Office Outlook for e-mail.
>>>> Charles,
>>>>
>>>> I also use Thunderbird for newsgroups and Outlook for email.
>>>>
>>>> Windows Live Mail is not "web based", it's an actual email and
>>>> newsreader client. It's okay for email and a bit better than WM
>>>> for newsgroups. But, it still doesn't handle newsgroups nearly as
>>>> well as Thunderbird.
>>> Apart from the grievous functional deficiencies of
>>> Thunderbird as a newsreader.
>> Any "grievous functional deficiencies" Thunderbird may
>> have, are minor compared to WM and WLM horrid handling
>> and ultimately choking many times while trying to read newsgroups.
>>
>> The only thing that I wish Thunderbird would do, is mark cross-posted
>> messages read once you read them in one group. Otherwise, it's simply
>> a better program than WM or WLM.
>
> I'm not getting any of the rumored performance problems with
> WLM newsgroup processing.

"rumored". You must be joking.

> For instance... I just marked as read 3000 Vista.general posts
> and it took a couple of seconds max.

You must be special.

> From a stability and performance POV
> WLM is a big improvement on WM.

It's an improvement, yes. IMO, it's not a "big"
improvement. Not yet.

-Michael