Exteamly slow internet access (not LAN access)...SPI on router??

in reference to this thread:
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/co...ng=en&cr=US&p=1

I too am having extreamly bad internet performance. This has been common
across many builds, such as beta one. Feb CTP and now Beta 2. First the
background..

I run a pretty decent LAN at my house. I have a cable modem running 450/5mb
roughly. I have that going into a Cisco 831 router, gigabit managed switch.
I am runnin a win 2k3 server with AD. My network works well. I have 4-5
computers on the network (with random laptops), 2 networked ReplayTV, an Xbox
and PS2.

On my living room machinge:
AMD 2600+, 1gb ram, GeForce 5900

I am using this box as my Vista testing site. Vista is slow. It pretty
much idles at 500+mb RAM utilization. But with Beta 2, things (aside from
memory) things are running really decent. I can copy ISO files from my
domain controller to the Vista client in 15 or so seconds.

My main concern is when I go to request a web server outside of my network,
performance is terrible. Go to Nvidia.com to get the latest Vista graphics
driver, and 1/3 of the page loads and then just keeps trying with no luck.
Wait 30 mins, and come back, still waiting.

Gettin a critical update from windows update is at 19% after 3-4 hours
(trying to pull down 2.7mb)

I read the threat that posted above, and it looks like the SPI part is the
cuplrit. This sucks. Its not like Im running a low quality router, my Cisco
831 is a decent guy and Im running the advanced IOS on it that can do crazy
things like HSRP.

Does anyone have any work arounds besides dumbing down the router? I cant
imagine what will happen when IT companies around the world try to put Vista
on their corporate lans to find out that web surfing is essentially disabled.


MS, any help on this? Its existed on at least the last two major public
builds.

Jeff

I have a Linksys RV016. I had to shutdown the firewall functionality
completely in order to overcome the problem. Shutting down SPI wasn't nearly
enough.

"Sterck" wrote:

> in reference to this thread:
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/co...ng=en&cr=US&p=1
>
> I too am having extreamly bad internet performance. This has been common
> across many builds, such as beta one. Feb CTP and now Beta 2. First the
> background..
>
> I run a pretty decent LAN at my house. I have a cable modem running 450/5mb
> roughly. I have that going into a Cisco 831 router, gigabit managed switch.
> I am runnin a win 2k3 server with AD. My network works well. I have 4-5
> computers on the network (with random laptops), 2 networked ReplayTV, an Xbox
> and PS2.
>
> On my living room machinge:
> AMD 2600+, 1gb ram, GeForce 5900
>
> I am using this box as my Vista testing site. Vista is slow. It pretty
> much idles at 500+mb RAM utilization. But with Beta 2, things (aside from
> memory) things are running really decent. I can copy ISO files from my
> domain controller to the Vista client in 15 or so seconds.
>
> My main concern is when I go to request a web server outside of my network,
> performance is terrible. Go to Nvidia.com to get the latest Vista graphics
> driver, and 1/3 of the page loads and then just keeps trying with no luck.
> Wait 30 mins, and come back, still waiting.
>
> Gettin a critical update from windows update is at 19% after 3-4 hours
> (trying to pull down 2.7mb)
>
> I read the threat that posted above, and it looks like the SPI part is the
> cuplrit. This sucks. Its not like Im running a low quality router, my Cisco
> 831 is a decent guy and Im running the advanced IOS on it that can do crazy
> things like HSRP.
>
> Does anyone have any work arounds besides dumbing down the router? I cant
> imagine what will happen when IT companies around the world try to put Vista
> on their corporate lans to find out that web surfing is essentially disabled.
>
>
> MS, any help on this? Its existed on at least the last two major public
> builds.
>
> Jeff
>
>

VERY GOOD Info!!!

I have just started with Vista Beta 2 - this problem is alive and well and
was killing me. Amazingly I had thrown every logical combination that in one
way or another is discussed through out these postings...

1) Thought IE7 issue... lowered security, etc - not it.
2) User Account Protection - no avail.
3) Windows Firewall - disabled from the start - I use a SonicWALL with
Enhanced OS so I always scratch the Windows Firewall.
3) Put in an another NIC - no change.
4) Upgraded my memory from 512 to 2GB - no help
5) Scratch and reload - hoping for a driver.
6) Started searching my SonicWALL logs to see if it would show me any
reports of blocking or thinking Vista was some sort of "internal port scan"

All of this being done over the last 2 days before I found this post....
Putting alot more information then necessary here in hopes it will help
others with key words, etc.

I am running an AMD 3000+, Soltek MB, NVIDIA Chipset, SonicWALL TZ170 with
Enhanced OS. Base point here is that there is some sort of HUGE FLAW with
Vista's TCP/IP stack for Internet Bound traffic, Windows update, Websites,
etc - just like some have said - I let a 5.3MB update try to load for over 15
hours and it had only made it 19% of the way (I should note these types of
speed from a person & same machine that can download 220MB files in 14
minutes from Microsoft). Websites for simple browsing were taking upwards of
30 minutes to load.

SOLUTION - Kill your Hardware Firewall, SonicWALL, DLINK, Cisco/Linksys, etc
- you either have to be able to turn off SPI (By the way the newer generation
of SonicWALL's go way beyond SPI doing a Deep Packet Inspection). Just for
the record I could not find a real easy way to turn this off in my SonicWALL
so my solution as I type this was to go get an old Linksys - put it in place
and turn off the firewall on the BEFSX41.

Basically I have turned my computer into a sitting duck out on the
internet... but at least now I have a starting place.

Tomorrow is the holiday, but on Tuesday I will be in a Vista class held by
Microsoft in Central IL - I will talk to the folks there about it as well as
get digging through our MSDN & Gold partnership channels. If I find anything
about a "REAL SOLLUTION" I will pass the info along -

Thank you folks so much for posting the previous informaiton... I was about
to loose my mind over this one.


"Doting Daddy" wrote:

> I have a Linksys RV016. I had to shutdown the firewall functionality
> completely in order to overcome the problem. Shutting down SPI wasn't nearly
> enough.
>
> "Sterck" wrote:
>
> > in reference to this thread:
> > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/co...ng=en&cr=US&p=1
> >
> > I too am having extreamly bad internet performance. This has been common
> > across many builds, such as beta one. Feb CTP and now Beta 2. First the
> > background..
> >
> > I run a pretty decent LAN at my house. I have a cable modem running 450/5mb
> > roughly. I have that going into a Cisco 831 router, gigabit managed switch.
> > I am runnin a win 2k3 server with AD. My network works well. I have 4-5
> > computers on the network (with random laptops), 2 networked ReplayTV, an Xbox
> > and PS2.
> >
> > On my living room machinge:
> > AMD 2600+, 1gb ram, GeForce 5900
> >
> > I am using this box as my Vista testing site. Vista is slow. It pretty
> > much idles at 500+mb RAM utilization. But with Beta 2, things (aside from
> > memory) things are running really decent. I can copy ISO files from my
> > domain controller to the Vista client in 15 or so seconds.
> >
> > My main concern is when I go to request a web server outside of my network,
> > performance is terrible. Go to Nvidia.com to get the latest Vista graphics
> > driver, and 1/3 of the page loads and then just keeps trying with no luck.
> > Wait 30 mins, and come back, still waiting.
> >
> > Gettin a critical update from windows update is at 19% after 3-4 hours
> > (trying to pull down 2.7mb)
> >
> > I read the threat that posted above, and it looks like the SPI part is the
> > cuplrit. This sucks. Its not like Im running a low quality router, my Cisco
> > 831 is a decent guy and Im running the advanced IOS on it that can do crazy
> > things like HSRP.
> >
> > Does anyone have any work arounds besides dumbing down the router? I cant
> > imagine what will happen when IT companies around the world try to put Vista
> > on their corporate lans to find out that web surfing is essentially disabled.
> >
> >
> > MS, any help on this? Its existed on at least the last two major public
> > builds.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >

Im anxious to hear if they mentioned this anywhere in your group? Is anyone
else having issues like this? Its a pretty big hinderance.

Jeff

"wmcmillen" wrote:

> VERY GOOD Info!!!
>
> I have just started with Vista Beta 2 - this problem is alive and well and
> was killing me. Amazingly I had thrown every logical combination that in one
> way or another is discussed through out these postings...
>
> 1) Thought IE7 issue... lowered security, etc - not it.
> 2) User Account Protection - no avail.
> 3) Windows Firewall - disabled from the start - I use a SonicWALL with
> Enhanced OS so I always scratch the Windows Firewall.
> 3) Put in an another NIC - no change.
> 4) Upgraded my memory from 512 to 2GB - no help
> 5) Scratch and reload - hoping for a driver.
> 6) Started searching my SonicWALL logs to see if it would show me any
> reports of blocking or thinking Vista was some sort of "internal port scan"
>
> All of this being done over the last 2 days before I found this post....
> Putting alot more information then necessary here in hopes it will help
> others with key words, etc.
>
> I am running an AMD 3000+, Soltek MB, NVIDIA Chipset, SonicWALL TZ170 with
> Enhanced OS. Base point here is that there is some sort of HUGE FLAW with
> Vista's TCP/IP stack for Internet Bound traffic, Windows update, Websites,
> etc - just like some have said - I let a 5.3MB update try to load for over 15
> hours and it had only made it 19% of the way (I should note these types of
> speed from a person & same machine that can download 220MB files in 14
> minutes from Microsoft). Websites for simple browsing were taking upwards of
> 30 minutes to load.
>
> SOLUTION - Kill your Hardware Firewall, SonicWALL, DLINK, Cisco/Linksys, etc
> - you either have to be able to turn off SPI (By the way the newer generation
> of SonicWALL's go way beyond SPI doing a Deep Packet Inspection). Just for
> the record I could not find a real easy way to turn this off in my SonicWALL
> so my solution as I type this was to go get an old Linksys - put it in place
> and turn off the firewall on the BEFSX41.
>
> Basically I have turned my computer into a sitting duck out on the
> internet... but at least now I have a starting place.
>
> Tomorrow is the holiday, but on Tuesday I will be in a Vista class held by
> Microsoft in Central IL - I will talk to the folks there about it as well as
> get digging through our MSDN & Gold partnership channels. If I find anything
> about a "REAL SOLLUTION" I will pass the info along -
>
> Thank you folks so much for posting the previous informaiton... I was about
> to loose my mind over this one.
>
>
> "Doting Daddy" wrote:
>
> > I have a Linksys RV016. I had to shutdown the firewall functionality
> > completely in order to overcome the problem. Shutting down SPI wasn't nearly
> > enough.
> >
> > "Sterck" wrote:
> >
> > > in reference to this thread:
> > > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/co...ng=en&cr=US&p=1
> > >
> > > I too am having extreamly bad internet performance. This has been common
> > > across many builds, such as beta one. Feb CTP and now Beta 2. First the
> > > background..
> > >
> > > I run a pretty decent LAN at my house. I have a cable modem running 450/5mb
> > > roughly. I have that going into a Cisco 831 router, gigabit managed switch.
> > > I am runnin a win 2k3 server with AD. My network works well. I have 4-5
> > > computers on the network (with random laptops), 2 networked ReplayTV, an Xbox
> > > and PS2.
> > >
> > > On my living room machinge:
> > > AMD 2600+, 1gb ram, GeForce 5900
> > >
> > > I am using this box as my Vista testing site. Vista is slow. It pretty
> > > much idles at 500+mb RAM utilization. But with Beta 2, things (aside from
> > > memory) things are running really decent. I can copy ISO files from my
> > > domain controller to the Vista client in 15 or so seconds.
> > >
> > > My main concern is when I go to request a web server outside of my network,
> > > performance is terrible. Go to Nvidia.com to get the latest Vista graphics
> > > driver, and 1/3 of the page loads and then just keeps trying with no luck.
> > > Wait 30 mins, and come back, still waiting.
> > >
> > > Gettin a critical update from windows update is at 19% after 3-4 hours
> > > (trying to pull down 2.7mb)
> > >
> > > I read the threat that posted above, and it looks like the SPI part is the
> > > cuplrit. This sucks. Its not like Im running a low quality router, my Cisco
> > > 831 is a decent guy and Im running the advanced IOS on it that can do crazy
> > > things like HSRP.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any work arounds besides dumbing down the router? I cant
> > > imagine what will happen when IT companies around the world try to put Vista
> > > on their corporate lans to find out that web surfing is essentially disabled.
> > >
> > >
> > > MS, any help on this? Its existed on at least the last two major public
> > > builds.
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > >

I have the same problem with both the motherboards NVIDIA MCP 10/100
connector, and a NETGEAR GA311 10/100/1000 PCI card.

Only by opening the device manager and manually setting the network cards
communication speed to 10meg Full Duplex can reasonably reliable internet
access be obtained on my machine. Even then download speeds are very slow and
erratic.

Beta 2 installs a generic Reltek RTL8169 Gigabit Ethernet adapter driver for
my Netgear GA311, but all attempts to access the web come to a screeching
halt after just a few seconds.

Disabling all the security options brings no improvement.
Firefox has no better success than I.E.7 with communication speed set on
default auto.
On previous builds bypassing all the gigabit hardware and connecting the
motherboard network connector directly to the router was an effective
workaround, but even that doesn’t help on this build.

Vista Beta 2 Build 5384
Shuttle SN41G2
Shuttle FN41 Motherboard
AMD XP 3000+ processor
2GB Corsair DDR3200 memory
Netgear GA311 Network card
Netgear GS605 Switch
Netgear DG834G ADSL Router
Radeon 9600 Graphics

Mike

"Sterck" wrote:

> in reference to this thread:
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/co...ng=en&cr=US&p=1
>
> I too am having extreamly bad internet performance. This has been common
> across many builds, such as beta one. Feb CTP and now Beta 2. First the
> background..
>
> I run a pretty decent LAN at my house. I have a cable modem running 450/5mb
> roughly. I have that going into a Cisco 831 router, gigabit managed switch.
> I am runnin a win 2k3 server with AD. My network works well. I have 4-5
> computers on the network (with random laptops), 2 networked ReplayTV, an Xbox
> and PS2.
>
> On my living room machinge:
> AMD 2600+, 1gb ram, GeForce 5900
>
> I am using this box as my Vista testing site. Vista is slow. It pretty
> much idles at 500+mb RAM utilization. But with Beta 2, things (aside from
> memory) things are running really decent. I can copy ISO files from my
> domain controller to the Vista client in 15 or so seconds.
>
> My main concern is when I go to request a web server outside of my network,
> performance is terrible. Go to Nvidia.com to get the latest Vista graphics
> driver, and 1/3 of the page loads and then just keeps trying with no luck.
> Wait 30 mins, and come back, still waiting.
>
> Gettin a critical update from windows update is at 19% after 3-4 hours
> (trying to pull down 2.7mb)
>
> I read the threat that posted above, and it looks like the SPI part is the
> cuplrit. This sucks. Its not like Im running a low quality router, my Cisco
> 831 is a decent guy and Im running the advanced IOS on it that can do crazy
> things like HSRP.
>
> Does anyone have any work arounds besides dumbing down the router? I cant
> imagine what will happen when IT companies around the world try to put Vista
> on their corporate lans to find out that web surfing is essentially disabled.
>
>
> MS, any help on this? Its existed on at least the last two major public
> builds.
>
> Jeff
>
>

I have a linksys RV016 as well. I have to turn the firewall completely off in
order to connect to most websites. I couldn't even activate vista. As soon as
I turned it off. BOOM worked fine. Tried just turning SPI off. No dice. Next
I'll try putting the Vista PC on the DMZ and see if that works.

"Sterck" wrote:

> in reference to this thread:
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/co...ng=en&cr=US&p=1
>
> I too am having extreamly bad internet performance. This has been common
> across many builds, such as beta one. Feb CTP and now Beta 2. First the
> background..
>
> I run a pretty decent LAN at my house. I have a cable modem running 450/5mb
> roughly. I have that going into a Cisco 831 router, gigabit managed switch.
> I am runnin a win 2k3 server with AD. My network works well. I have 4-5
> computers on the network (with random laptops), 2 networked ReplayTV, an Xbox
> and PS2.
>
> On my living room machinge:
> AMD 2600+, 1gb ram, GeForce 5900
>
> I am using this box as my Vista testing site. Vista is slow. It pretty
> much idles at 500+mb RAM utilization. But with Beta 2, things (aside from
> memory) things are running really decent. I can copy ISO files from my
> domain controller to the Vista client in 15 or so seconds.
>
> My main concern is when I go to request a web server outside of my network,
> performance is terrible. Go to Nvidia.com to get the latest Vista graphics
> driver, and 1/3 of the page loads and then just keeps trying with no luck.
> Wait 30 mins, and come back, still waiting.
>
> Gettin a critical update from windows update is at 19% after 3-4 hours
> (trying to pull down 2.7mb)
>
> I read the threat that posted above, and it looks like the SPI part is the
> cuplrit. This sucks. Its not like Im running a low quality router, my Cisco
> 831 is a decent guy and Im running the advanced IOS on it that can do crazy
> things like HSRP.
>
> Does anyone have any work arounds besides dumbing down the router? I cant
> imagine what will happen when IT companies around the world try to put Vista
> on their corporate lans to find out that web surfing is essentially disabled.
>
>
> MS, any help on this? Its existed on at least the last two major public
> builds.
>
> Jeff
>
>

In the same boat here. Linksys RV016 had to turn the firewall off completly
in order to activate, update or browse most websites. Just turning SPI off
did not work. Next I'll try the DMZ port. This is so basic I don't understand
how Vista can be in Beta 2 with a bug like this.

"Sterck" wrote:

> in reference to this thread:
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/co...ng=en&cr=US&p=1
>
> I too am having extreamly bad internet performance. This has been common
> across many builds, such as beta one. Feb CTP and now Beta 2. First the
> background..
>
> I run a pretty decent LAN at my house. I have a cable modem running 450/5mb
> roughly. I have that going into a Cisco 831 router, gigabit managed switch.
> I am runnin a win 2k3 server with AD. My network works well. I have 4-5
> computers on the network (with random laptops), 2 networked ReplayTV, an Xbox
> and PS2.
>
> On my living room machinge:
> AMD 2600+, 1gb ram, GeForce 5900
>
> I am using this box as my Vista testing site. Vista is slow. It pretty
> much idles at 500+mb RAM utilization. But with Beta 2, things (aside from
> memory) things are running really decent. I can copy ISO files from my
> domain controller to the Vista client in 15 or so seconds.
>
> My main concern is when I go to request a web server outside of my network,
> performance is terrible. Go to Nvidia.com to get the latest Vista graphics
> driver, and 1/3 of the page loads and then just keeps trying with no luck.
> Wait 30 mins, and come back, still waiting.
>
> Gettin a critical update from windows update is at 19% after 3-4 hours
> (trying to pull down 2.7mb)
>
> I read the threat that posted above, and it looks like the SPI part is the
> cuplrit. This sucks. Its not like Im running a low quality router, my Cisco
> 831 is a decent guy and Im running the advanced IOS on it that can do crazy
> things like HSRP.
>
> Does anyone have any work arounds besides dumbing down the router? I cant
> imagine what will happen when IT companies around the world try to put Vista
> on their corporate lans to find out that web surfing is essentially disabled.
>
>
> MS, any help on this? Its existed on at least the last two major public
> builds.
>
> Jeff
>
>