IPv6: When will we start using it?

Those of you that are technical people probably know that IPv6 has existed
for several years now (I'd have to check for the exact amount). But none of
the Internet Service Providers that I have used or looked at since then are
offering to use it with their customers yet. I realize that it is a major
change because of the fact that older software might not be capable of
everything, all those people that refuse to upgrade their operating systems
(my dad still uses Windows 98, even though we have an extra XP system
sitting around) may have some problems, and all those companies with static
IP addresses will need to take care of some stuff. Even though it has some
backward compatibilities (It's been a while since I looked over the specs
for it, and even though I'm a developer, networking isn't my concentration),
it will be a big project for everyone. But I stopped hearing about it a
while ago, and with all the updates that have been going on lately (IE7 and
the increase in broadband usage, for example), I'm wondering when the
project will begin. Does anybody have any information on when the big
companies (Microsoft, Verizon, etc.) will start pushing this, and what some
of the next steps might be?
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On Fri, 26 May 2006 01:29:02 -0400, "Nathan Sokalski" <njsokalski@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Those of you that are technical people probably know that IPv6 has existed
>for several years now (I'd have to check for the exact amount). But none of
>the Internet Service Providers that I have used or looked at since then are
>offering to use it with their customers yet. I realize that it is a major
>change because of the fact that older software might not be capable of
>everything, all those people that refuse to upgrade their operating systems
>(my dad still uses Windows 98, even though we have an extra XP system
>sitting around) may have some problems, and all those companies with static
>IP addresses will need to take care of some stuff. Even though it has some
>backward compatibilities (It's been a while since I looked over the specs
>for it, and even though I'm a developer, networking isn't my concentration),
>it will be a big project for everyone. But I stopped hearing about it a
>while ago, and with all the updates that have been going on lately (IE7 and
>the increase in broadband usage, for example), I'm wondering when the
>project will begin. Does anybody have any information on when the big
>companies (Microsoft, Verizon, etc.) will start pushing this, and what some
>of the next steps might be?

Nathan,

Many folks have been asking that question. One of the problems is that there
are not a lot of folks using it, because there are not a lot of websites using
it. And vice-versa. The fact that Windows Networking under XP doesn't work
well with it probably doesn't help either.

IPV6 will be a native part of the network stack in Vista. But will Vista drive
its popularity?
<http://nitecruzrnews.blogspot.com/2006/05/does-ipv6-have-future.html>
http://nitecruzrnews.blogspot.com/2...ave-future.html

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The IP v6 stack is already alive and kicking in Vista (just look at your
connection's properties). What you need is an IP v6 network to connect to.
That means IP v6 router(s) and server(s), and these aren't very widespread
yet. In fact, I haven't yet seen any consumer IP v6 routers or switches yet,
and professional ones are *way* out of my budget.
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"Nathan Sokalski" <njsokalski@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
O7egMVIgGHA.2032@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| Those of you that are technical people probably know that IPv6 has existed
| for several years now (I'd have to check for the exact amount). But none
of
| the Internet Service Providers that I have used or looked at since then
are
| offering to use it with their customers yet. I realize that it is a major
| change because of the fact that older software might not be capable of
| everything, all those people that refuse to upgrade their operating
systems
| (my dad still uses Windows 98, even though we have an extra XP system
| sitting around) may have some problems, and all those companies with
static
| IP addresses will need to take care of some stuff. Even though it has some
| backward compatibilities (It's been a while since I looked over the specs
| for it, and even though I'm a developer, networking isn't my
concentration),
| it will be a big project for everyone. But I stopped hearing about it a
| while ago, and with all the updates that have been going on lately (IE7
and
| the increase in broadband usage, for example), I'm wondering when the
| project will begin. Does anybody have any information on when the big
| companies (Microsoft, Verizon, etc.) will start pushing this, and what
some
| of the next steps might be?
| --
| Nathan Sokalski
| njsokalski@hotmail.com
| http://www.nathansokalski.com/
|
|

It will probably be a sensible choice I guess if your entire network is
using Longhorn Server/Vista.
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"Chuck" <none@example.net> wrote in message
news:616d72d9qeiupn69rmbcn3rgapr51e71hg@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 26 May 2006 01:29:02 -0400, "Nathan Sokalski"
> <njsokalski@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Those of you that are technical people probably know that IPv6 has existed
>>for several years now (I'd have to check for the exact amount). But none
>>of
>>the Internet Service Providers that I have used or looked at since then
>>are
>>offering to use it with their customers yet. I realize that it is a major
>>change because of the fact that older software might not be capable of
>>everything, all those people that refuse to upgrade their operating
>>systems
>>(my dad still uses Windows 98, even though we have an extra XP system
>>sitting around) may have some problems, and all those companies with
>>static
>>IP addresses will need to take care of some stuff. Even though it has some
>>backward compatibilities (It's been a while since I looked over the specs
>>for it, and even though I'm a developer, networking isn't my
>>concentration),
>>it will be a big project for everyone. But I stopped hearing about it a
>>while ago, and with all the updates that have been going on lately (IE7
>>and
>>the increase in broadband usage, for example), I'm wondering when the
>>project will begin. Does anybody have any information on when the big
>>companies (Microsoft, Verizon, etc.) will start pushing this, and what
>>some
>>of the next steps might be?
>
> Nathan,
>
> Many folks have been asking that question. One of the problems is that
> there
> are not a lot of folks using it, because there are not a lot of websites
> using
> it. And vice-versa. The fact that Windows Networking under XP doesn't
> work
> well with it probably doesn't help either.
>
> IPV6 will be a native part of the network stack in Vista. But will Vista
> drive
> its popularity?
> <http://nitecruzrnews.blogspot.com/2006/05/does-ipv6-have-future.html>
> http://nitecruzrnews.blogspot.com/2...ave-future.html
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My email is AT DOT
> actual address pchuck mvps org.

On Fri, 26 May 2006 07:03:13 -0700, "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]"
<andred25@hotmail.com> wrote:

>It will probably be a sensible choice I guess if your entire network is
>using Longhorn Server/Vista.

Right.

So what will get an entire network using Longhorn / Vista? Is there really a
business case for that?

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Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

No, but Siemens did do a massive roll out of Server 2003 on 8,000 Servers
and XP on 400,000 desktops, plus Office and XP supports IPv6, so its not
like the transition would be PITA.
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Andre
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"Chuck" <none@example.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 26 May 2006 07:03:13 -0700, "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]"
> <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>It will probably be a sensible choice I guess if your entire network is
>>using Longhorn Server/Vista.
>
> Right.
>
> So what will get an entire network using Longhorn / Vista? Is there
> really a
> business case for that?
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My email is AT DOT
> actual address pchuck mvps org.

"Nathan Sokalski" <njsokalski@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:O7egMVIgGHA.2032@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

> Does anybody have any information on when the big
> companies (Microsoft, Verizon, etc.) will start pushing this, and
> what some of the next steps might be?

Look at computing history for your answer. Our company is still
running some 16-bit GUI MS-Windows applications. 16-bit GUI MS-Windows
applications first appeared in Windows 3.0 back in 1990. Now 17 years
later, Microsoft is finally dropping support for them in the operating
system. It's even worst for MS-DOS applications: you can run some MS-
DOS programs from 1981 on existing Windows XP machines. That's _25
years_ of compatibility!

IPV6 also yields little to no benefit for most companies. Why drop
Benjamins on something that doesn't produce immediate results?

Adam
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