Other computers can "see" Vista, but not vice-versa?

Hi,

I have a new machine running Vista 5308. It is configured on a
workgroup named "MISNET". All machines in my home are on this
workgroup, and are homed on a NAT router.

I've shared the C: drive on the Vista PC, and I can get to that C: drive
from other machines on my home network (Win2K and WinXP).

However, from the Vista PC itself, I cannot "see" any of the other
machines in the workgroup. I've tried Network Map, Network List, etc.,
but they show nothing.

Network map just shows:

Vista PC -> gateway (my router) -> Internet

No other machines appear.

What else do I have to do so that I can browse my home network, similar
to Network Neighborhood?

Thanks,
Jim

ohaya wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a new machine running Vista 5308. It is configured on a
> workgroup named "MISNET". All machines in my home are on this
> workgroup, and are homed on a NAT router.
>
> I've shared the C: drive on the Vista PC, and I can get to that C: drive
> from other machines on my home network (Win2K and WinXP).
>
> However, from the Vista PC itself, I cannot "see" any of the other
> machines in the workgroup. I've tried Network Map, Network List, etc.,
> but they show nothing.
>
> Network map just shows:
>
> Vista PC -> gateway (my router) -> Internet
>
> No other machines appear.
>
> What else do I have to do so that I can browse my home network, similar
> to Network Neighborhood?
>
> Thanks,
> Jim


Hi,

P.S. If I do "net view \\anothercomputer", I am getting an "Error 5",
"Access Denied"...

Jim

Actually thats how I browse \\mshome\home-asrockx64

Also, you could try using the ip address.
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"ohaya" <ohaya@cox.net> wrote in message news:443B2181.5F60C8FB@cox.net...
>
>
> ohaya wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a new machine running Vista 5308. It is configured on a
>> workgroup named "MISNET". All machines in my home are on this
>> workgroup, and are homed on a NAT router.
>>
>> I've shared the C: drive on the Vista PC, and I can get to that C: drive
>> from other machines on my home network (Win2K and WinXP).
>>
>> However, from the Vista PC itself, I cannot "see" any of the other
>> machines in the workgroup. I've tried Network Map, Network List, etc.,
>> but they show nothing.
>>
>> Network map just shows:
>>
>> Vista PC -> gateway (my router) -> Internet
>>
>> No other machines appear.
>>
>> What else do I have to do so that I can browse my home network, similar
>> to Network Neighborhood?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jim
>
>
> Hi,
>
> P.S. If I do "net view \\anothercomputer", I am getting an "Error 5",
> "Access Denied"...
>
> Jim

Have you checked that the non-Vista computers' firewalls allow the proper
ports (UDP/TCP 135-139) in?
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"ohaya" <ohaya@cox.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
443B1E91.58C5AEAD@cox.net...
| Hi,
|
| I have a new machine running Vista 5308. It is configured on a
| workgroup named "MISNET". All machines in my home are on this
| workgroup, and are homed on a NAT router.
|
| I've shared the C: drive on the Vista PC, and I can get to that C: drive
| from other machines on my home network (Win2K and WinXP).
|
| However, from the Vista PC itself, I cannot "see" any of the other
| machines in the workgroup. I've tried Network Map, Network List, etc.,
| but they show nothing.
|
| Network map just shows:
|
| Vista PC -> gateway (my router) -> Internet
|
| No other machines appear.
|
| What else do I have to do so that I can browse my home network, similar
| to Network Neighborhood?
|
| Thanks,
| Jim

I've found, that on ordinary workgroups that the \\computername works fine
to access other computers, however once you put a Windows Server 2003 in
there, for the first few restarts of the server you can only access
computers via IP address...

Very perculiar... this happened on the R2 beta as well (

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"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Actually thats how I browse \\mshome\home-asrockx64
>
> Also, you could try using the ip address.
> --
> --
> Andre
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>
> "ohaya" <ohaya@cox.net> wrote in message news:443B2181.5F60C8FB@cox.net...
>>
>>
>> ohaya wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a new machine running Vista 5308. It is configured on a
>>> workgroup named "MISNET". All machines in my home are on this
>>> workgroup, and are homed on a NAT router.
>>>
>>> I've shared the C: drive on the Vista PC, and I can get to that C: drive
>>> from other machines on my home network (Win2K and WinXP).
>>>
>>> However, from the Vista PC itself, I cannot "see" any of the other
>>> machines in the workgroup. I've tried Network Map, Network List, etc.,
>>> but they show nothing.
>>>
>>> Network map just shows:
>>>
>>> Vista PC -> gateway (my router) -> Internet
>>>
>>> No other machines appear.
>>>
>>> What else do I have to do so that I can browse my home network, similar
>>> to Network Neighborhood?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jim
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> P.S. If I do "net view \\anothercomputer", I am getting an "Error 5",
>> "Access Denied"...
>>
>> Jim
>
>

Very good point Pierre!
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"Pierre Szwarc" <pierre_szwarc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uGVVHEUXGHA.1476@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Have you checked that the non-Vista computers' firewalls allow the proper
> ports (UDP/TCP 135-139) in?
> --
> Pierre Szwarc
> Paris, France
> PGP key ID 0x75B5779B
> ------------------------------------------------
> Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom !
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> "ohaya" <ohaya@cox.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
> 443B1E91.58C5AEAD@cox.net...
> | Hi,
> |
> | I have a new machine running Vista 5308. It is configured on a
> | workgroup named "MISNET". All machines in my home are on this
> | workgroup, and are homed on a NAT router.
> |
> | I've shared the C: drive on the Vista PC, and I can get to that C: drive
> | from other machines on my home network (Win2K and WinXP).
> |
> | However, from the Vista PC itself, I cannot "see" any of the other
> | machines in the workgroup. I've tried Network Map, Network List, etc.,
> | but they show nothing.
> |
> | Network map just shows:
> |
> | Vista PC -> gateway (my router) -> Internet
> |
> | No other machines appear.
> |
> | What else do I have to do so that I can browse my home network, similar
> | to Network Neighborhood?
> |
> | Thanks,
> | Jim
>
>

Hi,

Most of the "other" PCs in my workgroup are Win2K or Win2K server, with
no firewalls running on them. I can browse (see) the various PCs among
those.

To be clear: On the new Vista PC, I can do a "map drive" to a drive
that I've shared out on another non-Vista PC. And, the Vista PC shows
up in Network Neighborhood or My Network Places on my other PCs.

What I asking about is why I can't "see" or "browse" the other non-Vista
PCs FROM the Vista PC. For example, when I go to Network Map or Network
List, shouldn't those show all of the PCs on my workgroup, ala "Entire
Network"?

Jim



"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
>
> Very good point Pierre!
> --
> --
> Andre
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>
> "Pierre Szwarc" <pierre_szwarc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uGVVHEUXGHA.1476@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> > Have you checked that the non-Vista computers' firewalls allow the proper
> > ports (UDP/TCP 135-139) in?
> > --
> > Pierre Szwarc
> > Paris, France
> > PGP key ID 0x75B5779B
> > ------------------------------------------------
> > Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom !
> > ------------------------------------------------
> >
> > "ohaya" <ohaya@cox.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
> > 443B1E91.58C5AEAD@cox.net...
> > | Hi,
> > |
> > | I have a new machine running Vista 5308. It is configured on a
> > | workgroup named "MISNET". All machines in my home are on this
> > | workgroup, and are homed on a NAT router.
> > |
> > | I've shared the C: drive on the Vista PC, and I can get to that C: drive
> > | from other machines on my home network (Win2K and WinXP).
> > |
> > | However, from the Vista PC itself, I cannot "see" any of the other
> > | machines in the workgroup. I've tried Network Map, Network List, etc.,
> > | but they show nothing.
> > |
> > | Network map just shows:
> > |
> > | Vista PC -> gateway (my router) -> Internet
> > |
> > | No other machines appear.
> > |
> > | What else do I have to do so that I can browse my home network, similar
> > | to Network Neighborhood?
> > |
> > | Thanks,
> > | Jim
> >
> >

IIRC, Win2k will allow "browsing" in only if the login (name and pw) you're
using on the client is defined as an account on the Win2k "server" machine,
or the "Guest" account is enabled. The same goes with XP, in fact, unless
you've enabled "simple file sharing", which is unavailable on Win2k.
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Pierre Szwarc
Paris, France
PGP key ID 0x75B5779B
------------------------------------------------
Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom !
------------------------------------------------

"ohaya" <ohaya@cox.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
443C1159.B56B299D@cox.net...
| Hi,
|
| Most of the "other" PCs in my workgroup are Win2K or Win2K server, with
| no firewalls running on them. I can browse (see) the various PCs among
| those.
|
| To be clear: On the new Vista PC, I can do a "map drive" to a drive
| that I've shared out on another non-Vista PC. And, the Vista PC shows
| up in Network Neighborhood or My Network Places on my other PCs.
|
| What I asking about is why I can't "see" or "browse" the other non-Vista
| PCs FROM the Vista PC. For example, when I go to Network Map or Network
| List, shouldn't those show all of the PCs on my workgroup, ala "Entire
| Network"?

"What I asking about is why I can't "see" or "browse" the other non-Vista
PCs FROM the Vista PC."

Thats because that aspect of networking is broken in Vista, the browser
service is still being worked on. I am able to browse my XP machine though
from the run command using \\mshome\normans-mob and it will take me directly
the contents of the shared resources on that XP computer.
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"ohaya" <ohaya@cox.net> wrote in message news:443C1159.B56B299D@cox.net...
> Hi,
>
> Most of the "other" PCs in my workgroup are Win2K or Win2K server, with
> no firewalls running on them. I can browse (see) the various PCs among
> those.
>
> To be clear: On the new Vista PC, I can do a "map drive" to a drive
> that I've shared out on another non-Vista PC. And, the Vista PC shows
> up in Network Neighborhood or My Network Places on my other PCs.
>
> What I asking about is why I can't "see" or "browse" the other non-Vista
> PCs FROM the Vista PC. For example, when I go to Network Map or Network
> List, shouldn't those show all of the PCs on my workgroup, ala "Entire
> Network"?
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
>>
>> Very good point Pierre!
>> --
>> --
>> Andre
>> Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>
>> "Pierre Szwarc" <pierre_szwarc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:uGVVHEUXGHA.1476@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> > Have you checked that the non-Vista computers' firewalls allow the
>> > proper
>> > ports (UDP/TCP 135-139) in?
>> > --
>> > Pierre Szwarc
>> > Paris, France
>> > PGP key ID 0x75B5779B
>> > ------------------------------------------------
>> > Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom !
>> > ------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > "ohaya" <ohaya@cox.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
>> > 443B1E91.58C5AEAD@cox.net...
>> > | Hi,
>> > |
>> > | I have a new machine running Vista 5308. It is configured on a
>> > | workgroup named "MISNET". All machines in my home are on this
>> > | workgroup, and are homed on a NAT router.
>> > |
>> > | I've shared the C: drive on the Vista PC, and I can get to that C:
>> > drive
>> > | from other machines on my home network (Win2K and WinXP).
>> > |
>> > | However, from the Vista PC itself, I cannot "see" any of the other
>> > | machines in the workgroup. I've tried Network Map, Network List,
>> > etc.,
>> > | but they show nothing.
>> > |
>> > | Network map just shows:
>> > |
>> > | Vista PC -> gateway (my router) -> Internet
>> > |
>> > | No other machines appear.
>> > |
>> > | What else do I have to do so that I can browse my home network,
>> > similar
>> > | to Network Neighborhood?
>> > |
>> > | Thanks,
>> > | Jim
>> >
>> >

It's because the Windows Server 2003 machine becomes the browser master for
that workgroup (or domain) - it has a higher number when browser elections
are held -- until it updates it's browse list you're going to see that sort
of behavior.

I usually have all my client computers dynamically update DNS with the
server and let DNS handle that resolution

Patrick

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"Zack Whittaker" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:urCZZwVXGHA.5024@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> I've found, that on ordinary workgroups that the \\computername works fine
> to access other computers, however once you put a Windows Server 2003 in
> there, for the first few restarts of the server you can only access
> computers via IP address...
>
> Very perculiar... this happened on the R2 beta as well (
>
> --
> Zack Whittaker
> » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk
> » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org
> » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk
> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and
> not
> of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared
> that up!
>
> --: Original message follows :--
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23%23gx42SXGHA.3848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Actually thats how I browse \\mshome\home-asrockx64
>>
>> Also, you could try using the ip address.
>> --
>> --
>> Andre
>> Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>
>> "ohaya" <ohaya@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:443B2181.5F60C8FB@cox.net...
>>>
>>>
>>> ohaya wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have a new machine running Vista 5308. It is configured on a
>>>> workgroup named "MISNET". All machines in my home are on this
>>>> workgroup, and are homed on a NAT router.
>>>>
>>>> I've shared the C: drive on the Vista PC, and I can get to that C:
>>>> drive
>>>> from other machines on my home network (Win2K and WinXP).
>>>>
>>>> However, from the Vista PC itself, I cannot "see" any of the other
>>>> machines in the workgroup. I've tried Network Map, Network List, etc.,
>>>> but they show nothing.
>>>>
>>>> Network map just shows:
>>>>
>>>> Vista PC -> gateway (my router) -> Internet
>>>>
>>>> No other machines appear.
>>>>
>>>> What else do I have to do so that I can browse my home network, similar
>>>> to Network Neighborhood?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> P.S. If I do "net view \\anothercomputer", I am getting an "Error 5",
>>> "Access Denied"...
>>>
>>> Jim
>>
>>
>
>