Most thoroughly tested Microsoft Software ever?

Isn't that what Bill said? And who the heck was doing the testing?
Must have been the same people that are taking care of most technical
support issues these daze.
I can not believe that Visual Studio 2005 SP1 behaves the way it does
in Vista; its a joke. Yeah, I know, there's a Beta patch for Vista
users; and why would I apply anything Beta from Microsoft, when the
production/live stuff doesn't work worth a crap. Currently I am dead
in the water waiting for the VS patch for Vista, and all because I
decided to upgrade to Vista. Wish I could get my money back. Funny
thing is, I downloaded and ran the Vista upgrade advisor program that
was supposed to tell me about these issues. Never reported a single
issue until I actually started the upgrade process, then it told me
that I needed to uninstall a number of programs. Visual Studio wasn't
one of them. THe upgrade advisor never told me that the upgrade was
going to throw away my current printer drivers, because there are no
supported drivers for a printer I bought 1 year ago. HP has told me
they will support the printer, it might be a while though. I guess
everybody was in the dark here about when people might actually need
this stuff.

Its great to see all the old problems I used to experience, suddenly
reappear. Like clicking on the recycle bin, emptying the trash, but
the list stays there, although it says it emptied the trash.

Is the UAC for real? I would imagine 99.9% of the users have turned
this crap off. Is it OK to do this on virtually everything you try
and do. I feel like my mother is watching and approving everything I
do.

Are users expected to debug the few gadgets that are out there? I
have downloaded several of these and end up with errors when I reboot,
asking me if I want to debug... Why the heck would I want a Weather
gadget that never seems to update. What am I supposed to do with this
debug information; maybe actually fix the Gadget? I know what
happened; the people who worked on the OS also wrote some Gadgets!

I'm not sure how to fix the IE message "The current web page is trying
to open a site in your trusted sites" message. Jeez, I am on a
Microsoft web site trying to look at the Gadgets. Love the navigation
there also. I am looking for the new stuff, so maybe selecting last
record and working backwards will work; NOT.

I want names and numbers for the people responsible for this atrocity
called Vista!

"jmathers" <jm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Isn't that what Bill said? And who the heck was doing the testing?
> Must have been the same people that are taking care of most technical
> support issues these daze.

There were five million downloads of the pre-release builds. May be you
should of downloaded it too, and give your feedback before it went RTM?

--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
http://www.windowsresource.net/

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Yeah I heard Bill say that too. So your saying that five million
people never reported any problems? Lets see, I guess they didn't do
any development work, or empty their trash, or try printing anything
or try using any Gadgets. I know, I should have done a clean
install, and this is what is causing all my problems. I guess no one
truly understands what a clean install means for some people.


On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:38:07 -0000, "Paul Smith"
<Paul@nospam.windowsresource.net> wrote:

>"jmathers" <jm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:m5fst2tdq2rhb97ch9en4k89b621i4i927@4ax.com...
>> Isn't that what Bill said? And who the heck was doing the testing?
>> Must have been the same people that are taking care of most technical
>> support issues these daze.
>
>There were five million downloads of the pre-release builds. May be you
>should of downloaded it too, and give your feedback before it went RTM?

The testers didn't try it on YOUR computer. YOU could have! Then you could
have contributed.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!



"jmathers" <jm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:v3mst2554bt55rvp2hrqgd87fd519f0vhi@4ax.com...
> Yeah I heard Bill say that too. So your saying that five million
> people never reported any problems? Lets see, I guess they didn't do
> any development work, or empty their trash, or try printing anything
> or try using any Gadgets. I know, I should have done a clean
> install, and this is what is causing all my problems. I guess no one
> truly understands what a clean install means for some people.
>
>
> On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:38:07 -0000, "Paul Smith"
> <Paul@nospam.windowsresource.net> wrote:
>
>>"jmathers" <jm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:m5fst2tdq2rhb97ch9en4k89b621i4i927@4ax.com...
>>> Isn't that what Bill said? And who the heck was doing the testing?
>>> Must have been the same people that are taking care of most technical
>>> support issues these daze.
>>
>>There were five million downloads of the pre-release builds. May be you
>>should of downloaded it too, and give your feedback before it went RTM?

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:17:03 -0500, "Richard Urban"
<richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:

>The testers didn't try it on YOUR computer. YOU could have! Then you could
>have contributed.

What I've seen of the testers based on the release version of Vista, I
think most "testers" would have trouble walking and chewing gum at the
same time.

"jmathers" <jm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:m5fst2tdq2rhb97ch9en4k89b621i4i927@4ax.com...
> Isn't that what Bill said? And who the heck was doing the testing?

Shane Nokes

> Must have been the same people that are taking care of most technical
> support issues these daze.
> I can not believe that Visual Studio 2005 SP1 behaves the way it does
> in Vista; its a joke. Yeah, I know, there's a Beta patch for Vista
> users; and why would I apply anything Beta from Microsoft, when the
> production/live stuff doesn't work worth a crap. Currently I am dead
> in the water waiting for the VS patch for Vista, and all because I
> decided to upgrade to Vista.

You installed a new OS on a production development box without checking the
MSDN newsgroups to see if it would work? Are you familiar with
msdn.microsoft.com? It has been all over there for months.

>Wish I could get my money back.

You can

>Funny
> thing is, I downloaded and ran the Vista upgrade advisor program that
> was supposed to tell me about these issues. Never reported a single
> issue until I actually started the upgrade process, then it told me
> that I needed to uninstall a number of programs. Visual Studio wasn't
> one of them. THe upgrade advisor never told me that the upgrade was
> going to throw away my current printer drivers, because there are no
> supported drivers for a printer I bought 1 year ago. HP has told me
> they will support the printer, it might be a while though. I guess
> everybody was in the dark here about when people might actually need
> this stuff.

And I cannot imagine that a developer would do an upgrade rather than a
clean install.

>
> Its great to see all the old problems I used to experience, suddenly
> reappear. Like clicking on the recycle bin, emptying the trash, but
> the list stays there, although it says it emptied the trash.

Yep. You got 'em on that one. Score: Them 3, you .005
>
> Is the UAC for real? I would imagine 99.9% of the users have turned
> this crap off. Is it OK to do this on virtually everything you try
> and do. I feel like my mother is watching and approving everything I
> do.

Read the posts. Decide for yourself. You either want security or you
don't. They give you the option.

>
> Are users expected to debug the few gadgets that are out there? I
> have downloaded several of these and end up with errors when I reboot,
> asking me if I want to debug... Why the heck would I want a Weather
> gadget that never seems to update. What am I supposed to do with this
> debug information; maybe actually fix the Gadget? I know what
> happened; the people who worked on the OS also wrote some Gadgets!

Gadgets aren't critical development tools - at least any gadgets I have seen
so far. *shrug*.. skip them if they don't work. Even on a home pc used for
surfing or whatever else, they're optional. You can disable them.

>
> I'm not sure how to fix the IE message "The current web page is trying
> to open a site in your trusted sites" message. Jeez, I am on a
> Microsoft web site trying to look at the Gadgets. Love the navigation
> there also. I am looking for the new stuff, so maybe selecting last
> record and working backwards will work; NOT.
>
> I want names and numbers for the people responsible for this atrocity
> called Vista!

1-800-Microsoft. Mr. Bill Gates.

In article <m5fst2tdq2rhb97ch9en4k89b621i4i927@4ax.com>, jmathers
says...
> Isn't that what Bill said? And who the heck was doing the testing?

THe great unwashed who downloaded BETA1/2/RC1/RC2 and who barely have a
clue how to turn on a ****ing PC, let alone file a bug report but
because their STOLEN version of XP was screaming WGA warnings at them,
they decided to try this new Windoze.


--
Conor

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright
until you hear them speak.........

"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23HFL6FwVHHA.1036@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> The testers didn't try it on YOUR computer. YOU could have! Then you could
> have contributed.

Unfortunately, testing and "contributing" aren't all they're cracked up to
be.

To the best of my knowledge, and throughout all OS betas since Win95, MS
ignores "contributions" from testers at times.
More often than will -ever- be admitted to here.
Back then they called it "works as expected" - now they simply write off
problems by saying it's "by design".
Same problem, different dismissal is all.

But same now as then, once they close an issue, they will no longer discuss
it - sometimes without explanation.

MS is a business, a monopolostic behemoth, and they are in it to make money.
Consumer input is not exactly priority #1.

like your self, a self proclaimed EXPERIENCED user who upgraded a production system without testing it first.

whine, whine, whine.

mikeyhsd@sport.rr.commikeyhsd@sport.rr.com

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message newsuqst21358qgdoqe8ed7nud3abru8d8242@4ax.com...
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:17:03 -0500, "Richard Urban"
<richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:

>The testers didn't try it on YOUR computer. YOU could have! Then you could
>have contributed.

What I've seen of the testers based on the release version of Vista, I
think most "testers" would have trouble walking and chewing gum at the
same time.

You are a developer and rushed to upgrade to Vista without going through the
newsgroups looking for issues on VS 2005 before upgrading? I have a machine
that has Vista on it (a test machine) but my work machine has XP and VS 2005
because I know it works. Yes, I have applied the patch to VS, but VS
doesn't behave properly so I can't rely on it for my day to day work.

If you had looked at the microsoft.public.dotnet.general or languages.vb
forums, you would see the postings regarding Vista and VS 2005. Keep your
Vista disk until they release SP1 and do a clean install of XP so you can
get back to work. There are too many issues to stay with Vista right now.


"jmathers" <jm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:m5fst2tdq2rhb97ch9en4k89b621i4i927@4ax.com...
> Isn't that what Bill said? And who the heck was doing the testing?
> Must have been the same people that are taking care of most technical
> support issues these daze.
> I can not believe that Visual Studio 2005 SP1 behaves the way it does
> in Vista; its a joke. Yeah, I know, there's a Beta patch for Vista
> users; and why would I apply anything Beta from Microsoft, when the
> production/live stuff doesn't work worth a crap. Currently I am dead
> in the water waiting for the VS patch for Vista, and all because I
> decided to upgrade to Vista. Wish I could get my money back. Funny
> thing is, I downloaded and ran the Vista upgrade advisor program that
> was supposed to tell me about these issues. Never reported a single
> issue until I actually started the upgrade process, then it told me
> that I needed to uninstall a number of programs. Visual Studio wasn't
> one of them. THe upgrade advisor never told me that the upgrade was
> going to throw away my current printer drivers, because there are no
> supported drivers for a printer I bought 1 year ago. HP has told me
> they will support the printer, it might be a while though. I guess
> everybody was in the dark here about when people might actually need
> this stuff.
>
> Its great to see all the old problems I used to experience, suddenly
> reappear. Like clicking on the recycle bin, emptying the trash, but
> the list stays there, although it says it emptied the trash.
>
> Is the UAC for real? I would imagine 99.9% of the users have turned
> this crap off. Is it OK to do this on virtually everything you try
> and do. I feel like my mother is watching and approving everything I
> do.
>
> Are users expected to debug the few gadgets that are out there? I
> have downloaded several of these and end up with errors when I reboot,
> asking me if I want to debug... Why the heck would I want a Weather
> gadget that never seems to update. What am I supposed to do with this
> debug information; maybe actually fix the Gadget? I know what
> happened; the people who worked on the OS also wrote some Gadgets!
>
> I'm not sure how to fix the IE message "The current web page is trying
> to open a site in your trusted sites" message. Jeez, I am on a
> Microsoft web site trying to look at the Gadgets. Love the navigation
> there also. I am looking for the new stuff, so maybe selecting last
> record and working backwards will work; NOT.
>
> I want names and numbers for the people responsible for this atrocity
> called Vista!