Going back to XP

Man you guys are just the best really. Build and OS and 70% of the software
won't run, crash all over the place. Funny, even your own apps don't work
correctly. I'll wait for everyone else to fix your problems as normal.

--
Raymond Fulgoni
www.njwindowashing.com

"Raymond" <rfulgoni@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:75901253-FEF8-478D-9F1A-44D4B9139023@microsoft.com...
> Man you guys are just the best really. Build and OS and 70% of the
> software won't run, crash all over the place. Funny, even your own apps
> don't work correctly. I'll wait for everyone else to fix your problems as
> normal.
>
> --
> Raymond Fulgoni
> www.njwindowashing.com

Ah, but didn't it cost billions to produce?

you have to get used to windows vista just like it was with windows xp only
its a much more dramatic change but it is a very nice operating system. i'm
enjoying using it. soon all programs will run on it except for some very old
ones that can run on a 64 bit computer.


-jeff


"Andy" <andy@indigo.ie> wrote in message
news:erla87$esi$1@news.datemas.de...
>
> "Raymond" <rfulgoni@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:75901253-FEF8-478D-9F1A-44D4B9139023@microsoft.com...
>> Man you guys are just the best really. Build and OS and 70% of the
>> software won't run, crash all over the place. Funny, even your own apps
>> don't work correctly. I'll wait for everyone else to fix your problems as
>> normal.
>>
>> --
>> Raymond Fulgoni
>> www.njwindowashing.com
>
> Ah, but didn't it cost billions to produce?
>
>
>
>

I can learn it. Is it differant? Sure. That's not my issue. I'm trying to
run simple business and account management software built in access 2003
DB's and they crash. I have installed all updates. Doing simple ftp
transfers works with some programs and not with others. Yeah I know I'll
have to wait for the companies to come up with fixes. I'm just a little
shocked as about 75% of everything I'm trying is not running.

--
Raymond Fulgoni
www.njwindowashing.com
"Jeff" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1FBC461D-02A5-453C-88B7-C55C7E0B7DC1@microsoft.com...
> you have to get used to windows vista just like it was with windows xp
> only its a much more dramatic change but it is a very nice operating
> system. i'm enjoying using it. soon all programs will run on it except for
> some very old ones that can run on a 64 bit computer.
>
>
> -jeff
>
>
> "Andy" <andy@indigo.ie> wrote in message
> news:erla87$esi$1@news.datemas.de...
>>
>> "Raymond" <rfulgoni@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:75901253-FEF8-478D-9F1A-44D4B9139023@microsoft.com...
>>> Man you guys are just the best really. Build and OS and 70% of the
>>> software won't run, crash all over the place. Funny, even your own apps
>>> don't work correctly. I'll wait for everyone else to fix your problems
>>> as normal.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Raymond Fulgoni
>>> www.njwindowashing.com
>>
>> Ah, but didn't it cost billions to produce?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

"Raymond" <rfulgoni@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1368E090-B426-4D11-B996-01B23E279084@microsoft.com...
>I can learn it. Is it differant? Sure. That's not my issue. I'm trying to
>run simple business and account management software built in access 2003
>DB's and they crash. I have installed all updates. Doing simple ftp
>transfers works with some programs and not with others. Yeah I know I'll
>have to wait for the companies to come up with fixes. I'm just a little
>shocked as about 75% of everything I'm trying is not running.
>
> --
> Raymond Fulgoni
> www.njwindowashing.com
> "Jeff" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:1FBC461D-02A5-453C-88B7-C55C7E0B7DC1@microsoft.com...
>> you have to get used to windows vista just like it was with windows xp
>> only its a much more dramatic change but it is a very nice operating
>> system. i'm enjoying using it. soon all programs will run on it except
>> for some very old ones that can run on a 64 bit computer.
>>
>>
>> -jeff
>>
>>
>> "Andy" <andy@indigo.ie> wrote in message
>> news:erla87$esi$1@news.datemas.de...
>>>
>>> "Raymond" <rfulgoni@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:75901253-FEF8-478D-9F1A-44D4B9139023@microsoft.com...
>>>> Man you guys are just the best really. Build and OS and 70% of the
>>>> software won't run, crash all over the place. Funny, even your own apps
>>>> don't work correctly. I'll wait for everyone else to fix your problems
>>>> as normal.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Raymond Fulgoni
>>>> www.njwindowashing.com
>>>
>>> Ah, but didn't it cost billions to produce?
>>>

The thing that gets my goat is that this all happened with XP when it came
out and you would think this time Msoft released a new operating system that
they would not go down the road they have been down before when they first
released XP and the thing is everyone seems to be blaming companies for not
bringing out drivers and patches quick enough for Vista (including me) but
if we just sit back (including me) and think about why MS brings out Vista
without being able to use existing programs and drivers that ran with XP
then I think that MS has a lot to answer for rather than blaming hardware
and software manufacturers all the time when their stuff don't run with
Vista.

Sounds to me like Vista was just put out on the market because it was late
in coming, was not tested fully enough and not enough thought went into
trying to make sure that nearly everything that worked with XP will
effortlessly work with Vista.

I mean what would be the biggest problem with people buying Vista now or
getting a new PC with vista? - well I tell you what I am hearing: well if I
get Vista now I will have to go out and buy a new printer, scanner whatever
and new programs because my old ones wont work with Vista. And that to me is
all wrong that people should be worried or 'forced' into buying this stuff
because a lot of the existing XP stuff is not compatible with Vista at the
moment!

Not only printers and the such. My friend buys a new laptop and MDA the
other day. The device has ms mobile on it and still, the vista on the laptop
can't work with the device. I think I'm just going to reload tomorrow with
xp and wait.

--
Raymond Fulgoni
www.njwindowashing.com
"Andy" <andy@indigo.ie> wrote in message
news:erlid6$cia$1@news.datemas.de...
>
> "Raymond" <rfulgoni@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:1368E090-B426-4D11-B996-01B23E279084@microsoft.com...
>>I can learn it. Is it differant? Sure. That's not my issue. I'm trying to
>>run simple business and account management software built in access 2003
>>DB's and they crash. I have installed all updates. Doing simple ftp
>>transfers works with some programs and not with others. Yeah I know I'll
>>have to wait for the companies to come up with fixes. I'm just a little
>>shocked as about 75% of everything I'm trying is not running.
>>
>> --
>> Raymond Fulgoni
>> www.njwindowashing.com
>> "Jeff" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:1FBC461D-02A5-453C-88B7-C55C7E0B7DC1@microsoft.com...
>>> you have to get used to windows vista just like it was with windows xp
>>> only its a much more dramatic change but it is a very nice operating
>>> system. i'm enjoying using it. soon all programs will run on it except
>>> for some very old ones that can run on a 64 bit computer.
>>>
>>>
>>> -jeff
>>>
>>>
>>> "Andy" <andy@indigo.ie> wrote in message
>>> news:erla87$esi$1@news.datemas.de...
>>>>
>>>> "Raymond" <rfulgoni@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:75901253-FEF8-478D-9F1A-44D4B9139023@microsoft.com...
>>>>> Man you guys are just the best really. Build and OS and 70% of the
>>>>> software won't run, crash all over the place. Funny, even your own
>>>>> apps don't work correctly. I'll wait for everyone else to fix your
>>>>> problems as normal.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Raymond Fulgoni
>>>>> www.njwindowashing.com
>>>>
>>>> Ah, but didn't it cost billions to produce?
>>>>
>
> The thing that gets my goat is that this all happened with XP when it came
> out and you would think this time Msoft released a new operating system
> that they would not go down the road they have been down before when they
> first released XP and the thing is everyone seems to be blaming companies
> for not bringing out drivers and patches quick enough for Vista (including
> me) but if we just sit back (including me) and think about why MS brings
> out Vista without being able to use existing programs and drivers that ran
> with XP then I think that MS has a lot to answer for rather than blaming
> hardware and software manufacturers all the time when their stuff don't
> run with Vista.
>
> Sounds to me like Vista was just put out on the market because it was late
> in coming, was not tested fully enough and not enough thought went into
> trying to make sure that nearly everything that worked with XP will
> effortlessly work with Vista.
>
> I mean what would be the biggest problem with people buying Vista now or
> getting a new PC with vista? - well I tell you what I am hearing: well if
> I get Vista now I will have to go out and buy a new printer, scanner
> whatever and new programs because my old ones wont work with Vista. And
> that to me is all wrong that people should be worried or 'forced' into
> buying this stuff because a lot of the existing XP stuff is not compatible
> with Vista at the moment!
>
>
>
>
>

"Raymond" <rfulgoni@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:C167C878-DBEC-4F3B-AC71-0F8B3E8E256D@microsoft.com...
> Not only printers and the such. My friend buys a new laptop and MDA the
> other day. The device has ms mobile on it and still, the vista on the
> laptop can't work with the device. I think I'm just going to reload
> tomorrow with xp and wait.

Yes and wait..... and wait ....and more than likely wait again. - some of
these manufacturers are not quick off the mark when it comes to releasing
driver updates and patches. The other day I bout a HP printer new off the
shelf. It had XP drivers, went to their site and it had a Vista Driver
download (good job I had Broadband because it was a hefty file - I feel
sorry for people who had bought the printer with only a 56k modem) anyway on
the HP site it said the driver was a basic Vista driver until the proper
Vista driver was released! - so sort of a make do driver not a proper full
Vista driver. So that's the score at the moment. I suppose one can be
thankful that they released a make do driver for Vista than none at all
though I suppose that the positive way to look at it.

And I'm shocked that 75% of programmers don't take the time to learn to use
proper programming practices to ensure that this kind of thing doesn't
happen. They often times try to write files to c:\program files or assume
their program has admistrative privileges.

The majority of issues you will encounter will involve the program assuming
it has administrative privileges. If you encounter a program that fails to
run, try to right click on the icon and seleect "Run as Administrator". If
this works, that means the programmer failed to ensure the program requests
the proper permissions and assumed that the program would have
admisistrative permissions.

--
/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Robert Firth *
* Windows Vista x86 RTM *
* http://www.WinVistaInfo.org *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */

"Raymond" <rfulgoni@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1368E090-B426-4D11-B996-01B23E279084@microsoft.com...
>I can learn it. Is it differant? Sure. That's not my issue. I'm trying to
>run simple business and account management software built in access 2003
>DB's and they crash. I have installed all updates. Doing simple ftp
>transfers works with some programs and not with others. Yeah I know I'll
>have to wait for the companies to come up with fixes. I'm just a little
>shocked as about 75% of everything I'm trying is not running.
>
> --
> Raymond Fulgoni
> www.njwindowashing.com
> "Jeff" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:1FBC461D-02A5-453C-88B7-C55C7E0B7DC1@microsoft.com...
>> you have to get used to windows vista just like it was with windows xp
>> only its a much more dramatic change but it is a very nice operating
>> system. i'm enjoying using it. soon all programs will run on it except
>> for some very old ones that can run on a 64 bit computer.
>>
>>
>> -jeff
>>
>>
>> "Andy" <andy@indigo.ie> wrote in message
>> news:erla87$esi$1@news.datemas.de...
>>>
>>> "Raymond" <rfulgoni@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:75901253-FEF8-478D-9F1A-44D4B9139023@microsoft.com...
>>>> Man you guys are just the best really. Build and OS and 70% of the
>>>> software won't run, crash all over the place. Funny, even your own apps
>>>> don't work correctly. I'll wait for everyone else to fix your problems
>>>> as normal.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Raymond Fulgoni
>>>> www.njwindowashing.com
>>>
>>> Ah, but didn't it cost billions to produce?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

First, it looks like you don't like progress. Progress is going to break old
drivers based on old models and break programs. For example, Aero allows
your graphics card to render the user interface instead of the processor.
This required a whole need driver model (wddm). Other areas have seen
similar changes and require driver re-writes to take advantage of the new
features.

Second, try to run the upgrade advisor to see what problems you are going to
have. It should tell you if your printer manufactuer is going to support
your printer.

Progress can be confused with 'change for the sake of change'. That isn't
what this is.

--
/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Robert Firth *
* Windows Vista x86 RTM *
* http://www.WinVistaInfo.org *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */

"Andy" <andy@indigo.ie> wrote in message
news:erlid6$cia$1@news.datemas.de...
>
> "Raymond" <rfulgoni@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:1368E090-B426-4D11-B996-01B23E279084@microsoft.com...
>>I can learn it. Is it differant? Sure. That's not my issue. I'm trying to
>>run simple business and account management software built in access 2003
>>DB's and they crash. I have installed all updates. Doing simple ftp
>>transfers works with some programs and not with others. Yeah I know I'll
>>have to wait for the companies to come up with fixes. I'm just a little
>>shocked as about 75% of everything I'm trying is not running.
>>
>> --
>> Raymond Fulgoni
>> www.njwindowashing.com
>> "Jeff" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:1FBC461D-02A5-453C-88B7-C55C7E0B7DC1@microsoft.com...
>>> you have to get used to windows vista just like it was with windows xp
>>> only its a much more dramatic change but it is a very nice operating
>>> system. i'm enjoying using it. soon all programs will run on it except
>>> for some very old ones that can run on a 64 bit computer.
>>>
>>>
>>> -jeff
>>>
>>>
>>> "Andy" <andy@indigo.ie> wrote in message
>>> news:erla87$esi$1@news.datemas.de...
>>>>
>>>> "Raymond" <rfulgoni@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:75901253-FEF8-478D-9F1A-44D4B9139023@microsoft.com...
>>>>> Man you guys are just the best really. Build and OS and 70% of the
>>>>> software won't run, crash all over the place. Funny, even your own
>>>>> apps don't work correctly. I'll wait for everyone else to fix your
>>>>> problems as normal.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Raymond Fulgoni
>>>>> www.njwindowashing.com
>>>>
>>>> Ah, but didn't it cost billions to produce?
>>>>
>
> The thing that gets my goat is that this all happened with XP when it came
> out and you would think this time Msoft released a new operating system
> that they would not go down the road they have been down before when they
> first released XP and the thing is everyone seems to be blaming companies
> for not bringing out drivers and patches quick enough for Vista (including
> me) but if we just sit back (including me) and think about why MS brings
> out Vista without being able to use existing programs and drivers that ran
> with XP then I think that MS has a lot to answer for rather than blaming
> hardware and software manufacturers all the time when their stuff don't
> run with Vista.
>
> Sounds to me like Vista was just put out on the market because it was late
> in coming, was not tested fully enough and not enough thought went into
> trying to make sure that nearly everything that worked with XP will
> effortlessly work with Vista.
>
> I mean what would be the biggest problem with people buying Vista now or
> getting a new PC with vista? - well I tell you what I am hearing: well if
> I get Vista now I will have to go out and buy a new printer, scanner
> whatever and new programs because my old ones wont work with Vista. And
> that to me is all wrong that people should be worried or 'forced' into
> buying this stuff because a lot of the existing XP stuff is not compatible
> with Vista at the moment!
>
>
>
>
>

In article <1368E090-B426-4D11-B996-01B23E279084@microsoft.com>,
Raymond says...
> I can learn it. Is it differant? Sure. That's not my issue. I'm trying to
> run simple business and account management software built in access 2003
> DB's and they crash.

Blame the morons who wrote the Database.


--
Conor

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