EULA Thought...

I think the latest EULA is Microsoft's way of making people think twice
about installing Vista on a MAC (via bootcamp) or Linux (VMWare app ).

You can only install Vista twice, right?

"You can only install Vista twice, right?"
Wrong, where did you hear that?
Windows Vista can be reinstalled an unlimited number of times on the same
computer.
When Windows XP came out there were many similar false rumors.
Many were started by Microsoft critics and had little or no basis in fact.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Yoshi" <yoshi@home.com> wrote in message
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>I think the latest EULA is Microsoft's way of making people think twice
>about installing Vista on a MAC (via bootcamp) or Linux (VMWare app ).
>
> You can only install Vista twice, right?

Sorry, I meant on different pc's.


"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
news:uEvPIufDHHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> "You can only install Vista twice, right?"
> Wrong, where did you hear that?
> Windows Vista can be reinstalled an unlimited number of times on the same
> computer.
> When Windows XP came out there were many similar false rumors.
> Many were started by Microsoft critics and had little or no basis in fact.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "Yoshi" <yoshi@home.com> wrote in message
> news:36477854-15E3-4DB2-95CD-7572F8242BB1@microsoft.com...
>>I think the latest EULA is Microsoft's way of making people think twice
>>about installing Vista on a MAC (via bootcamp) or Linux (VMWare app ).
>>
>> You can only install Vista twice, right?
>

Yoshi schrieb:
> Sorry, I meant on different pc's.

Yes, you can - but on *one* pc only at each point of time.

rOy
>
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
> news:uEvPIufDHHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> "You can only install Vista twice, right?"
>> Wrong, where did you hear that?
>> Windows Vista can be reinstalled an unlimited number of times on the
>> same computer.
>> When Windows XP came out there were many similar false rumors.
>> Many were started by Microsoft critics and had little or no basis in
>> fact.
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>
>>
>> "Yoshi" <yoshi@home.com> wrote in message
>> news:36477854-15E3-4DB2-95CD-7572F8242BB1@microsoft.com...
>>> I think the latest EULA is Microsoft's way of making people think
>>> twice about installing Vista on a MAC (via bootcamp) or Linux (VMWare
>>> app ).
>>>
>>> You can only install Vista twice, right?
>>
>

Sorry, but the Vista EULA has been cleaned up to reflect what was always
true of Windows but not enforceable. The retail license permits transfer of
the system once. Just once. It is not true that the license permits
repeated transfers as long as the system is only installed on one computer
at any one time. That has been the practice until now and MS has acquiesed.
The introduction of activation did not solve this particular form of "casual
copying."

As a practical matter you may well be able to do several transfers and
activations, but MS is tightening up on their methodology for detecting this
and I think you will see the day when you are advised by the OS when you are
out of compliance.

"Roy Coorne" <rcoorne@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OiBzThkDHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Yoshi schrieb:
>> Sorry, I meant on different pc's.
>
> Yes, you can - but on *one* pc only at each point of time.
>
> rOy
>>
>>
>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
>> news:uEvPIufDHHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> "You can only install Vista twice, right?"
>>> Wrong, where did you hear that?
>>> Windows Vista can be reinstalled an unlimited number of times on the
>>> same computer.
>>> When Windows XP came out there were many similar false rumors.
>>> Many were started by Microsoft critics and had little or no basis in
>>> fact.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>>
>>>
>>> "Yoshi" <yoshi@home.com> wrote in message
>>> news:36477854-15E3-4DB2-95CD-7572F8242BB1@microsoft.com...
>>>> I think the latest EULA is Microsoft's way of making people think twice
>>>> about installing Vista on a MAC (via bootcamp) or Linux (VMWare app ).
>>>>
>>>> You can only install Vista twice, right?
>>>
>>

Yoshi wrote:
> Sorry, I meant on different pc's.
>

Yoshi:

All Windows licenses only allow use on one machine at a time. All OEM
licenses are limited to the original computer.

The original retail Vista EULA said you could only reinstall on a
different machine once (i.e. two machines total). But, in response to
massive protest, this was relaxed to allow any number of different
machines (as with XP).

I do not see what these issues have to do with installing using BootCamp
or VMWare. All hardware (PC, Mac or Virtual Machine) are treated the
same. Perhaps one exception: some Vista versions (Ultimate in
particular) can (I think) be installed on both a physical machine and a
virtual machine running on it. This is actually better than XP.

David Wilkinson

On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:36:38 -0500, David Wilkinson wrote:

> Yoshi wrote:
>> Sorry, I meant on different pc's.
>>
>>
> Yoshi:
>
> All Windows licenses only allow use on one machine at a time. All OEM
> licenses are limited to the original computer.
>
> The original retail Vista EULA said you could only reinstall on a
> different machine once (i.e. two machines total). But, in response to
> massive protest, this was relaxed to allow any number of different
> machines (as with XP).
>
> I do not see what these issues have to do with installing using BootCamp
> or VMWare. All hardware (PC, Mac or Virtual Machine) are treated the same.
> Perhaps one exception: some Vista versions (Ultimate in particular) can (I
> think) be installed on both a physical machine and a virtual machine
> running on it. This is actually better than XP.


First Microsoft started licensing hardware to the computer instead
of the user.

Then they took that away and started licensing it to just one hard drive
partition.

Now they've taken that away and are limiting it to one *simulated* machine
running in software.

I wonder what they'll take away next?

--
"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the
exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them."
- Frederick Douglas

You have many misimpressions. You are confusing licensing and its
enforcement, activation. Go to microsoft.com and search on "activation."
You will finds scores of knowledgebase articles that give the details of how
that all works.

"arachnid" <none@goawayspammers.com> wrote in message
newsan.2006.11.22.19.25.35.293298@goawayspammers.com...
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:36:38 -0500, David Wilkinson wrote:
>
>> Yoshi wrote:
>>> Sorry, I meant on different pc's.
>>>
>>>
>> Yoshi:
>>
>> All Windows licenses only allow use on one machine at a time. All OEM
>> licenses are limited to the original computer.
>>
>> The original retail Vista EULA said you could only reinstall on a
>> different machine once (i.e. two machines total). But, in response to
>> massive protest, this was relaxed to allow any number of different
>> machines (as with XP).
>>
>> I do not see what these issues have to do with installing using BootCamp
>> or VMWare. All hardware (PC, Mac or Virtual Machine) are treated the
>> same.
>> Perhaps one exception: some Vista versions (Ultimate in particular) can
>> (I
>> think) be installed on both a physical machine and a virtual machine
>> running on it. This is actually better than XP.
>
>
> First Microsoft started licensing hardware to the computer instead
> of the user.
>
> Then they took that away and started licensing it to just one hard drive
> partition.
>
> Now they've taken that away and are limiting it to one *simulated* machine
> running in software.
>
> I wonder what they'll take away next?
>
> --
> "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the
> exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them."
> - Frederick Douglas
>

On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:40:10 -0700, Colin Barnhorst wrote:

> You have many misimpressions. You are confusing licensing and its
> enforcement, activation. Go to microsoft.com and search on "activation."
> You will finds scores of knowledgebase articles that give the details of
> how that all works.

I have no misimpressions and I'm not confusing anything. Read what was
said and interpret my reply in that context.


> "arachnid" <none@goawayspammers.com> wrote in message
> newsan.2006.11.22.19.25.35.293298@goawayspammers.com...
>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:36:38 -0500, David Wilkinson wrote:
>>
>>> Yoshi wrote:
>>>> Sorry, I meant on different pc's.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yoshi:
>>>
>>> All Windows licenses only allow use on one machine at a time. All OEM
>>> licenses are limited to the original computer.
>>>
>>> The original retail Vista EULA said you could only reinstall on a
>>> different machine once (i.e. two machines total). But, in response to
>>> massive protest, this was relaxed to allow any number of different
>>> machines (as with XP).
>>>
>>> I do not see what these issues have to do with installing using
>>> BootCamp or VMWare. All hardware (PC, Mac or Virtual Machine) are
>>> treated the same.
>>> Perhaps one exception: some Vista versions (Ultimate in particular)
>>> can (I
>>> think) be installed on both a physical machine and a virtual machine
>>> running on it. This is actually better than XP.
>>
>>
>> First Microsoft started licensing hardware to the computer instead of
>> the user.
>>
>> Then they took that away and started licensing it to just one hard
>> drive partition.
>>
>> Now they've taken that away and are limiting it to one *simulated*
>> machine running in software.
>>
>> I wonder what they'll take away next?
>>
>> --
>> "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the
>> exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on
>> them." - Frederick Douglas
>>
>>

--
"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the
exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them."
- Frederick Douglas

Still wrong. A retail copy of Vista can be installed on as many PC's as you want as long as it is only on one PC at a time. This has been true for any version of Windows going all the way back.

--

Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User



Yoshi wrote:
> Sorry, I meant on different pc's.
>
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
> news:uEvPIufDHHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> "You can only install Vista twice, right?"
>> Wrong, where did you hear that?
>> Windows Vista can be reinstalled an unlimited number of times on the
>> same computer.
>> When Windows XP came out there were many similar false rumors.
>> Many were started by Microsoft critics and had little or no basis in
>> fact.
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>
>>
>> "Yoshi" <yoshi@home.com> wrote in message
>> news:36477854-15E3-4DB2-95CD-7572F8242BB1@microsoft.com...
>>> I think the latest EULA is Microsoft's way of making people think
>>> twice about installing Vista on a MAC (via bootcamp) or Linux
>>> (VMWare app ).
>>>
>>> You can only install Vista twice, right?