Is it my imagination or...

Is it my imagination or is XP's network stack more robust than Vista's? I
have a nforce4 board with the marvell phy:88e1111 chip and any load crashes
internet and I have to reboot. Adding a cheap nic solves that but I still
find with multiple downloads it is somewhat painfull. It's odd though that
in beta2 and RC1 I had no problem with the onboard nic. And XP still seems
to handle multiple downloads better.

everything xp is better than everything vista....


"Peter M" <pmcneil1@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:OOji0QHAHHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Is it my imagination or is XP's network stack more robust than Vista's? I
> have a nforce4 board with the marvell phy:88e1111 chip and any load
> crashes internet and I have to reboot. Adding a cheap nic solves that but
> I still find with multiple downloads it is somewhat painfull. It's odd
> though that in beta2 and RC1 I had no problem with the onboard nic. And XP
> still seems to handle multiple downloads better.

"Peter M" <pmcneil1@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:OOji0QHAHHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Is it my imagination or is XP's network stack more robust than Vista's? I
> have a nforce4 board with the marvell phy:88e1111 chip and any load
> crashes internet and I have to reboot. Adding a cheap nic solves that but
> I still find with multiple downloads it is somewhat painfull. It's odd
> though that in beta2 and RC1 I had no problem with the onboard nic. And XP
> still seems to handle multiple downloads better.

Peter--

That's not the case. And it's not even close actually. There are many many
features that make networking in Vista more robust and capable than XP.

See for ref:

Windows Vista Networking
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/wi...rk/default.mspx

Next Gen TCP/IP Stack Vista and LH Server
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/co...guy/cg0905.mspx


Technet Column Networking September 2006
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/co...uy/default.mspx

Jeffrey's Ruminations Networking Vista
www.networkblog.net/category/cable-guy/

*See Links on Right Margin for Networking MVP Sites where a good deal of
material on Vista is located.

TCP/IP Fundamentals for Microsoft Windows :Overview (Updated for Vista)

Joseph Davies (of the Windows Server Networking team and also known as the
Cable Guy) has recently released a new online book entitled TCP/IP
Fundamentals for Microsoft Windows that is available on Technet.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/it.../tcpipfund.mspx

Joe Davies' Weblog
http://blogs.msdn.com/joe_davies/

*See List of Technet articles on Vista Networking Here

Whitepaper Webcasts on Vista Networking
a.. Introduction to Network Access Protection
(http://support.microsoft.com/kb/921070)
a.. Introduction to IPv6
(http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=919739)

Vista Networking for Developers
msdn.microsoft.com/chats/transcripts/windows/06_0901_msdn_vista.aspx

CH

"Peter M" <pmcneil1@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:OOji0QHAHHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Is it my imagination or is XP's network stack more robust than Vista's? I
> have a nforce4 board with the marvell phy:88e1111 chip and any load
> crashes internet and I have to reboot. Adding a cheap nic solves that but
> I still find with multiple downloads it is somewhat painfull. It's odd
> though that in beta2 and RC1 I had no problem with the onboard nic. And XP
> still seems to handle multiple downloads better.

Chad,
What I've noticed; and it's also an event;(i.d. 4226???) is the dreaded
10 tcpip connect/time limit- Most of the time; it doesn't bother me;but
on the occasion that I have lots of apps accessing-POOF-bye bye
internet.Then it's disable/enable my wlan connection. I know; I know XP
has this also; but it seems that the tcpip stack in Vista still needs a
tweak or to to get it to work. Touchy; and with ipv6 built in and not
many users; it's looking like there's alot of miscellaneous traffic
bouncing around on the wire; requests and acks; Sunday drivers-lol-as
it were. Fine tuning is nice; but it's become habit to netsh disable

(to clarify;I beta alot of stuff; and have had to fade back and
punt-lol-reformat so many times; I'd think I'de be a good team player
for that WinRecovery challenge ya always talk about.Gettin to know
install VERY well-lol Thank God for full dvd's!!!)

; just to get sites to say hello, and I generally agree that the stack
is faster; but; and maybe it's just me; it does seem less stable; at
times than the old XP stack.

Jeff :-)

Chad Harris wrote:
> Peter--
>
> That's not the case. And it's not even close actually. There are many many
> features that make networking in Vista more robust and capable than XP.
>
> See for ref:
>
> Windows Vista Networking
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/wi...rk/default.mspx
>
> Next Gen TCP/IP Stack Vista and LH Server
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/co...guy/cg0905.mspx
>
>
> Technet Column Networking September 2006
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/co...uy/default.mspx
>
> Jeffrey's Ruminations Networking Vista
> www.networkblog.net/category/cable-guy/
>
> *See Links on Right Margin for Networking MVP Sites where a good deal of
> material on Vista is located.
>
> TCP/IP Fundamentals for Microsoft Windows :Overview (Updated for Vista)
>
> Joseph Davies (of the Windows Server Networking team and also known as the
> Cable Guy) has recently released a new online book entitled TCP/IP
> Fundamentals for Microsoft Windows that is available on Technet.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/it.../tcpipfund.mspx
>
> Joe Davies' Weblog
> http://blogs.msdn.com/joe_davies/
>
> *See List of Technet articles on Vista Networking Here
>
> Whitepaper Webcasts on Vista Networking
> a.. Introduction to Network Access Protection
> (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/921070)
> a.. Introduction to IPv6
> (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=919739)
>
> Vista Networking for Developers
> msdn.microsoft.com/chats/transcripts/windows/06_0901_msdn_vista.aspx
>
> CH
>
> "Peter M" <pmcneil1@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
> news:OOji0QHAHHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Is it my imagination or is XP's network stack more robust than Vista's? I
>> have a nforce4 board with the marvell phy:88e1111 chip and any load
>> crashes internet and I have to reboot. Adding a cheap nic solves that but
>> I still find with multiple downloads it is somewhat painfull. It's odd
>> though that in beta2 and RC1 I had no problem with the onboard nic. And XP
>> still seems to handle multiple downloads better.
>
>

Jeff--

I'm sure that it could stand tweaking. You can contact some of the guys
respnsible for it on their blogs I listed including the cable guy.

I may be lucky but I have not come close to formatting Vista once in any
build but in a build back in I think Jan I ran SFC which was a work in
progress for a while with many switches not avail but sfc /scannow was
available and it BSOD'd me no bootie if you can use that word in a family
chat.

I stayed away from it for a while after that and there were indications
although vague ones from Vista Softie team members that it could do this
frequently at that point in time. I haven't had problems with it in later
builds.

I ran Startup Repair and in a minute Vista was back running. But my
experience is in testing St Repair that it does not work much of the time.

How many times have you resorted to Startup Repair and how has it worked for
you?

I'm interested in hearing as many experiences as possible from people on
this.

CH



"Jeff" <S.Cerevesiae@omg.edu> wrote in message
news:ulMY9$JAHHA.4256@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Chad,
> What I've noticed; and it's also an event;(i.d. 4226???) is the dreaded 10
> tcpip connect/time limit- Most of the time; it doesn't bother me;but on
> the occasion that I have lots of apps accessing-POOF-bye bye internet.Then
> it's disable/enable my wlan connection. I know; I know XP has this also;
> but it seems that the tcpip stack in Vista still needs a tweak or to to
> get it to work. Touchy; and with ipv6 built in and not many users; it's
> looking like there's alot of miscellaneous traffic bouncing around on the
> wire; requests and acks; Sunday drivers-lol-as it were. Fine tuning is
> nice; but it's become habit to netsh disable
>
> (to clarify;I beta alot of stuff; and have had to fade back and
> punt-lol-reformat so many times; I'd think I'de be a good team player for
> that WinRecovery challenge ya always talk about.Gettin to know install
> VERY well-lol Thank God for full dvd's!!!)
>
> ; just to get sites to say hello, and I generally agree that the stack is
> faster; but; and maybe it's just me; it does seem less stable; at times
> than the old XP stack.
>
> Jeff :-)
>
> Chad Harris wrote:
>> Peter--
>>
>> That's not the case. And it's not even close actually. There are many
>> many features that make networking in Vista more robust and capable than
>> XP.
>>
>> See for ref:
>>
>> Windows Vista Networking
>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/wi...rk/default.mspx
>>
>> Next Gen TCP/IP Stack Vista and LH Server
>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/co...guy/cg0905.mspx
>>
>>
>> Technet Column Networking September 2006
>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/co...uy/default.mspx
>>
>> Jeffrey's Ruminations Networking Vista
>> www.networkblog.net/category/cable-guy/
>>
>> *See Links on Right Margin for Networking MVP Sites where a good deal of
>> material on Vista is located.
>>
>> TCP/IP Fundamentals for Microsoft Windows :Overview (Updated for Vista)
>>
>> Joseph Davies (of the Windows Server Networking team and also known as
>> the Cable Guy) has recently released a new online book entitled TCP/IP
>> Fundamentals for Microsoft Windows that is available on Technet.
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/it.../tcpipfund.mspx
>>
>> Joe Davies' Weblog
>> http://blogs.msdn.com/joe_davies/
>>
>> *See List of Technet articles on Vista Networking Here
>>
>> Whitepaper Webcasts on Vista Networking
>> a.. Introduction to Network Access Protection
>> (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/921070)
>> a.. Introduction to IPv6
>> (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=919739)
>>
>> Vista Networking for Developers
>> msdn.microsoft.com/chats/transcripts/windows/06_0901_msdn_vista.aspx
>>
>> CH
>>
>> "Peter M" <pmcneil1@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
>> news:OOji0QHAHHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Is it my imagination or is XP's network stack more robust than Vista's?
>>> I have a nforce4 board with the marvell phy:88e1111 chip and any load
>>> crashes internet and I have to reboot. Adding a cheap nic solves that
>>> but I still find with multiple downloads it is somewhat painfull. It's
>>> odd though that in beta2 and RC1 I had no problem with the onboard nic.
>>> And XP still seems to handle multiple downloads better.
>>

I was unable to perform any Internet-based activities using RC2--only got so
far as a packet or two--and as such I gave up on RC2. I have NForce4 as
well. Something is very wrong with the NForce4 network driver and/or its
compatibility with the TCP/IP stack in Vista.

Jon


"Peter M" <pmcneil1@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:OOji0QHAHHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Is it my imagination or is XP's network stack more robust than Vista's? I
> have a nforce4 board with the marvell phy:88e1111 chip and any load
> crashes internet and I have to reboot. Adding a cheap nic solves that but
> I still find with multiple downloads it is somewhat painfull. It's odd
> though that in beta2 and RC1 I had no problem with the onboard nic. And XP
> still seems to handle multiple downloads better.

"Chad Harris" <Vista RTM is really Beta 1.net> wrote in message
news:%23jHvHFKAHHA.3836@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> How many times have you resorted to Startup Repair and how has it worked
> for you?
>
> I'm interested in hearing as many experiences as possible from people on
> this.
>

I had to use Repair from DVD once when I found Vista frozen and it wont boot
after reset. Still not quite sure what was the reason. The only recent
change was an installation of Logitech QuickCam Pro for Notebooks driver
from Windows Update. After some analysis, Repair ended up offering me System
Restore as the only recovery option. Which however quickly solved the
problem. Also, the whole thing didn't result in any new entries in Problem
Reports and Solutions.

--
Alexander Suhovey

"Jon Davis" <jon@REMOVE.ME.PLEASE.jondavis.net> wrote in message
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>
> Something is very wrong with the NForce4 network driver and/or its
> compatibility with the TCP/IP stack in Vista.
>

That's what I was going to suggest to. Particulary because installing
another NIC solves the problem for OP.
Did you use built-in Vista drivers (if there are any for NForce) or nVIDIA's
ones? If latter, are they XP drivers betas for Vista?


--
Alexander Suhovey

>are they XP drivers betas for Vista?

Err, should be "are they XP drivers OR betas for Vista?" of course

--
Alexander Suhovey