I don't like the new Start Menu

I really don't like the new Start Menu.

I've been trying to get used to it, but it just gets worse the more programs
I install. I want it to breakout All Programs like the XP version. It took
me quite a while to get used to the XP new style menu. I used Classic for
ages, but I can't go back to that now, with Vista.

The new Vista Start Menu is realy crap for organising lots of programs.
What can be done, apart from using the classic version?

ss.

"Synapse Syndrome" <synapse@NOSPAMgomez404.elitemail.org> wrote in message
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>
> I really don't like the new Start Menu.
>
> I've been trying to get used to it, but it just gets worse the more
> programs I install. I want it to breakout All Programs like the XP
> version. It took me quite a while to get used to the XP new style menu.
> I used Classic for ages, but I can't go back to that now, with Vista.
>
> The new Vista Start Menu is realy crap for organising lots of programs.
> What can be done, apart from using the classic version?

I never even use the menu. I just use the search box. If I want to move
things around I open the folder up in explorer.

--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
http://www.windowsresource.net/

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I agree with Paul, if you want a program, I just search for using Instant
Search. But, I think an option for Cascading menus should have been
available. It does get unwieldly after a lot of applications are installed.
--
Andre
Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
My Vista Quickstart Guide:
http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!E8E5CC039D51E3DB!9709.entry
"Synapse Syndrome" <synapse@NOSPAMgomez404.elitemail.org> wrote in message
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>
> I really don't like the new Start Menu.
>
> I've been trying to get used to it, but it just gets worse the more
> programs I install. I want it to breakout All Programs like the XP
> version. It took me quite a while to get used to the XP new style menu.
> I used Classic for ages, but I can't go back to that now, with Vista.
>
> The new Vista Start Menu is realy crap for organising lots of programs.
> What can be done, apart from using the classic version?
>
> ss.
>

HA!!!! I have been saying this since I first layed eyes on the monstrosity!

Stupidity in pure concentrated form!

And what the people say here? use the search thing...
great.. you have a non functional start menu and a search thing.. well why
dont they take the start menu off altogether then??!!! lol


gesh some people are dumb!


"Synapse Syndrome" <synapse@NOSPAMgomez404.elitemail.org> wrote in message
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>
> I really don't like the new Start Menu.
>
> I've been trying to get used to it, but it just gets worse the more
> programs I install. I want it to breakout All Programs like the XP
> version. It took me quite a while to get used to the XP new style menu.
> I used Classic for ages, but I can't go back to that now, with Vista.
>
> The new Vista Start Menu is realy crap for organising lots of programs.
> What can be done, apart from using the classic version?
>
> ss.
>

The new Instant Search field is used for more than finding programs, you can
use it to search the Internet and personal files.
--
Andre
Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
My Vista Quickstart Guide:
http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!E8E5CC039D51E3DB!9709.entry
"MicroFox" <-> wrote in message
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> HA!!!! I have been saying this since I first layed eyes on the
> monstrosity!
>
> Stupidity in pure concentrated form!
>
> And what the people say here? use the search thing...
> great.. you have a non functional start menu and a search thing.. well why
> dont they take the start menu off altogether then??!!! lol
>
>
> gesh some people are dumb!
>
>
> "Synapse Syndrome" <synapse@NOSPAMgomez404.elitemail.org> wrote in message
> news:umKtRvGAHHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
>> I really don't like the new Start Menu.
>>
>> I've been trying to get used to it, but it just gets worse the more
>> programs I install. I want it to breakout All Programs like the XP
>> version. It took me quite a while to get used to the XP new style menu.
>> I used Classic for ages, but I can't go back to that now, with Vista.
>>
>> The new Vista Start Menu is realy crap for organising lots of programs.
>> What can be done, apart from using the classic version?
>>
>> ss.
>>
>
>

Andre, I know... I have used vista for a long time....

I just disagree with the changes they did in the interface...

I would like to see changes that are better thought out,,

the start menu is very badly designed

"Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> The new Instant Search field is used for more than finding programs, you
> can use it to search the Internet and personal files.
> --
> Andre
> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
> My Vista Quickstart Guide:
> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!E8E5CC039D51E3DB!9709.entry
> "MicroFox" <-> wrote in message
> news:%23CroTkIAHHA.4568@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> HA!!!! I have been saying this since I first layed eyes on the
>> monstrosity!
>>
>> Stupidity in pure concentrated form!
>>
>> And what the people say here? use the search thing...
>> great.. you have a non functional start menu and a search thing.. well
>> why dont they take the start menu off altogether then??!!! lol
>>
>>
>> gesh some people are dumb!
>>
>>
>> "Synapse Syndrome" <synapse@NOSPAMgomez404.elitemail.org> wrote in
>> message news:umKtRvGAHHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> I really don't like the new Start Menu.
>>>
>>> I've been trying to get used to it, but it just gets worse the more
>>> programs I install. I want it to breakout All Programs like the XP
>>> version. It took me quite a while to get used to the XP new style menu.
>>> I used Classic for ages, but I can't go back to that now, with Vista.
>>>
>>> The new Vista Start Menu is realy crap for organising lots of programs.
>>> What can be done, apart from using the classic version?
>>>
>>> ss.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

I agree, if it ain't broke, Microsoft shouldn't fix it. I think Search is
handy but it's no replacement.

They are in fact deprecating the use of menus in general. Case in point,
Office 2007. I absolutely hate the ribbons. It's prettier but will take
years to get used to not having menus anymore in Outlook messages and in
Excel and Word. Menus were so clean and organized, now you have to wade
through graphical crap where every ribbon tab is a completely different
layout of buttons. Oh how I miss easy-to-read plain-text menus!... *sob*

Jon


"MicroFox" <-> wrote in message
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> Andre, I know... I have used vista for a long time....
>
> I just disagree with the changes they did in the interface...
>
> I would like to see changes that are better thought out,,
>
> the start menu is very badly designed
>
> "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eZPjAAJAHHA.1012@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> The new Instant Search field is used for more than finding programs, you
>> can use it to search the Internet and personal files.
>> --
>> Andre
>> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
>> My Vista Quickstart Guide:
>> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!E8E5CC039D51E3DB!9709.entry
>> "MicroFox" <-> wrote in message
>> news:%23CroTkIAHHA.4568@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> HA!!!! I have been saying this since I first layed eyes on the
>>> monstrosity!
>>>
>>> Stupidity in pure concentrated form!
>>>
>>> And what the people say here? use the search thing...
>>> great.. you have a non functional start menu and a search thing.. well
>>> why dont they take the start menu off altogether then??!!! lol
>>>
>>>
>>> gesh some people are dumb!
>>>
>>>
>>> "Synapse Syndrome" <synapse@NOSPAMgomez404.elitemail.org> wrote in
>>> message news:umKtRvGAHHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> I really don't like the new Start Menu.
>>>>
>>>> I've been trying to get used to it, but it just gets worse the more
>>>> programs I install. I want it to breakout All Programs like the XP
>>>> version. It took me quite a while to get used to the XP new style
>>>> menu. I used Classic for ages, but I can't go back to that now, with
>>>> Vista.
>>>>
>>>> The new Vista Start Menu is realy crap for organising lots of programs.
>>>> What can be done, apart from using the classic version?
>>>>
>>>> ss.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

I tried to explain to them that the ribbon was a mistake...
but MS was as a point where they were too back on schedule, they had started
the ribbon interface and it was too late to go back...

MS is going to lose lots of its prestige with these interfaces....

You mention vista and office to IT people and they either chuckle or
frown.....depending on the character of the person.




"Jon Davis" <jon@REMOVE.ME.PLEASE.jondavis.net> wrote in message
news:Okmac4MAHHA.1224@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I agree, if it ain't broke, Microsoft shouldn't fix it. I think Search is
>handy but it's no replacement.
>
> They are in fact deprecating the use of menus in general. Case in point,
> Office 2007. I absolutely hate the ribbons. It's prettier but will take
> years to get used to not having menus anymore in Outlook messages and in
> Excel and Word. Menus were so clean and organized, now you have to wade
> through graphical crap where every ribbon tab is a completely different
> layout of buttons. Oh how I miss easy-to-read plain-text menus!... *sob*
>
> Jon
>
>
> "MicroFox" <-> wrote in message
> news:%2396wEIMAHHA.1012@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Andre, I know... I have used vista for a long time....
>>
>> I just disagree with the changes they did in the interface...
>>
>> I would like to see changes that are better thought out,,
>>
>> the start menu is very badly designed
>>
>> "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:eZPjAAJAHHA.1012@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> The new Instant Search field is used for more than finding programs, you
>>> can use it to search the Internet and personal files.
>>> --
>>> Andre
>>> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
>>> My Vista Quickstart Guide:
>>> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!E8E5CC039D51E3DB!9709.entry
>>> "MicroFox" <-> wrote in message
>>> news:%23CroTkIAHHA.4568@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> HA!!!! I have been saying this since I first layed eyes on the
>>>> monstrosity!
>>>>
>>>> Stupidity in pure concentrated form!
>>>>
>>>> And what the people say here? use the search thing...
>>>> great.. you have a non functional start menu and a search thing.. well
>>>> why dont they take the start menu off altogether then??!!! lol
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> gesh some people are dumb!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Synapse Syndrome" <synapse@NOSPAMgomez404.elitemail.org> wrote in
>>>> message news:umKtRvGAHHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>> I really don't like the new Start Menu.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been trying to get used to it, but it just gets worse the more
>>>>> programs I install. I want it to breakout All Programs like the XP
>>>>> version. It took me quite a while to get used to the XP new style
>>>>> menu. I used Classic for ages, but I can't go back to that now, with
>>>>> Vista.
>>>>>
>>>>> The new Vista Start Menu is realy crap for organising lots of
>>>>> programs. What can be done, apart from using the classic version?
>>>>>
>>>>> ss.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

"Synapse Syndrome" <synapse@NOSPAMgomez404.elitemail.org> wrote in message
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>
> I really don't like the new Start Menu.
>

Well, I don't know.

While I can understand that many people will not like new UI concepts of
Vista and Office, personnally I like both Office ribbons and Start menu
layout and I will explain why.

Office: Though they are looking really strange, I found that over time as I
get used to ribbons, I start to do more things more quickly. Ribbons allow
you (sorry, I mean, "me") to have more options available in less mouse
clicks.

Start menu: Who said XP Start menu layout is better when you have many
programs installed? Jesus, it was/is such a nighmare to navigate thru
(translation - hunt) this tree of folder panes. Panes and panes and panes
pop up all over desktop, and you need to guide your mouse carefully thru
them so you don't have wrong node popped up.

Vista's Start menu is one static compact frame with scrollbar much like
directory tree in XP's Windows Explorer. It allows me to reach particular
node with much less mouse movements. I like that.

I don't know why but somehow new Vista Start menu reminds me of one feature
in MacOS X I immediately fell in love with when I saw it first time - fixed
toolbar. If you are not familiar with MacOS UI, it's basically a toolbar
that is pinned to the top of desktop and changes as you change active window
to be a toolbar for that particular window. What it gives you is that
tollbar and it's buttons for active window are on the same static position
on the desktop all the time no matter how you resize/move window itself - so
you don't need to mouse-hunt toolbar buttons on each app window you open.
Excellent. Less mouse moves and/or concentration (read - distraction) to do
things.

Of course keyboard shortcuts are quicker in any case but we are talking
about UI navigation here...


All above is strictly IMHO of course.

--
Alexander Suhovey

Both systems of start menu had a problem..
the vista way however is worse. The solution was for microsoft to buy this
program and make it into a wizard

THIS is the most effective way to do things....
I dont use this application, I do it manually.. but if you do it, then the
xp start menu is very effective... it just works!

www.tidystartmenu.com/




"Alexander Suhovey" <asuhovey@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Synapse Syndrome" <synapse@NOSPAMgomez404.elitemail.org> wrote in message
> news:umKtRvGAHHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
>> I really don't like the new Start Menu.
>>
>
> Well, I don't know.
>
> While I can understand that many people will not like new UI concepts of
> Vista and Office, personnally I like both Office ribbons and Start menu
> layout and I will explain why.
>
> Office: Though they are looking really strange, I found that over time as
> I get used to ribbons, I start to do more things more quickly. Ribbons
> allow you (sorry, I mean, "me") to have more options available in less
> mouse clicks.
>
> Start menu: Who said XP Start menu layout is better when you have many
> programs installed? Jesus, it was/is such a nighmare to navigate thru
> (translation - hunt) this tree of folder panes. Panes and panes and panes
> pop up all over desktop, and you need to guide your mouse carefully thru
> them so you don't have wrong node popped up.
>
> Vista's Start menu is one static compact frame with scrollbar much like
> directory tree in XP's Windows Explorer. It allows me to reach particular
> node with much less mouse movements. I like that.
>
> I don't know why but somehow new Vista Start menu reminds me of one
> feature in MacOS X I immediately fell in love with when I saw it first
> time - fixed toolbar. If you are not familiar with MacOS UI, it's
> basically a toolbar that is pinned to the top of desktop and changes as
> you change active window to be a toolbar for that particular window. What
> it gives you is that tollbar and it's buttons for active window are on the
> same static position on the desktop all the time no matter how you
> resize/move window itself - so you don't need to mouse-hunt toolbar
> buttons on each app window you open. Excellent. Less mouse moves and/or
> concentration (read - distraction) to do things.
>
> Of course keyboard shortcuts are quicker in any case but we are talking
> about UI navigation here...
>
>
> All above is strictly IMHO of course.
>
> --
> Alexander Suhovey