A blow to refillers & ink suppliers

HP has already introduced the "Simple Black" cartridge (http://printer.ink-
cartridge.com.au/hp-simple-black-cartridge-introduced) in China and India
to beat the refillers, but Epson has a complete strategy to defeat
refillers and generic cartridge manufacturers - ultra cheap consumables.
The catch? Consumers will pay more for their printers. Whilst still only
implemented in China, if it's successful there, expect the concept to
spread to all markets.

"For more than a decade, the printer industry has counted on a potent
combination of low-cost hardware that draws in buyers and high-priced
supplies that deliver some of the best margins of any business. But now,
printer manufacturers are running head-on into cost-conscious Chinese
consumers who just say "no" to expensive cartridges.

Epson, desperate to turn around its wobbly printer business, has made
low-cost cartridges the centerpiece of its Chinese consumer printer
marketing strategy. It's a very high-risk move, if it sells printers,
competitors will have no choice but to respond, and not just in China.
If Epson's approach works in China, it almost certainly will work in
other developing countries, and perhaps even in developed countries,
where consumers, although richer, are also disgusted with consumables
costs. The industry could be facing something it has quietly dreaded for
years - a consumables pricing nuclear war that melts the razor-and-blades
model and incinerates the industry's rich profit margins."

There is a free live webcast on the subject on the 16th of January by Lyra

http://www.webcastgroup.com/client/...d=0660116073085

Industry Professional wrote:
> HP has already introduced the "Simple Black" cartridge (http://printer.ink-
> cartridge.com.au/hp-simple-black-cartridge-introduced) in China and India
> to beat the refillers, but Epson has a complete strategy to defeat
> refillers and generic cartridge manufacturers - ultra cheap consumables.
> The catch? Consumers will pay more for their printers. Whilst still only
> implemented in China, if it's successful there, expect the concept to
> spread to all markets.
>
> "For more than a decade, the printer industry has counted on a potent
> combination of low-cost hardware that draws in buyers and high-priced
> supplies that deliver some of the best margins of any business. But now,
> printer manufacturers are running head-on into cost-conscious Chinese
> consumers who just say "no" to expensive cartridges.
>
> Epson, desperate to turn around its wobbly printer business, has made
> low-cost cartridges the centerpiece of its Chinese consumer printer
> marketing strategy. It's a very high-risk move, if it sells printers,
> competitors will have no choice but to respond, and not just in China.
> If Epson's approach works in China, it almost certainly will work in
> other developing countries, and perhaps even in developed countries,
> where consumers, although richer, are also disgusted with consumables
> costs. The industry could be facing something it has quietly dreaded for
> years - a consumables pricing nuclear war that melts the razor-and-blades
> model and incinerates the industry's rich profit margins."
>
> There is a free live webcast on the subject on the 16th of January by Lyra
>
> http://www.webcastgroup.com/client/...d=0660116073085

Bravo to the Chinese who, apparently, are smarter than most North
Americans and just say "no" (as I do!) to overpriced cartridges . My
point is clear on this. I will not buy OEM cartridges until a set of 5
comes down in price to about $20 Canadian ($17 US).

-Taliesyn

Taliesyn wrote:
> Industry Professional wrote:
>> HP has already introduced the "Simple Black" cartridge
>> (http://printer.ink-
>> cartridge.com.au/hp-simple-black-cartridge-introduced) in China and
>> India to beat the refillers, but Epson has a complete strategy to
>> defeat refillers and generic cartridge manufacturers - ultra cheap
>> consumables. The catch? Consumers will pay more for their printers.
>> Whilst still only implemented in China, if it's successful there,
>> expect the concept to spread to all markets.
>>
>> "For more than a decade, the printer industry has counted on a potent
>> combination of low-cost hardware that draws in buyers and high-priced
>> supplies that deliver some of the best margins of any business. But now,
>> printer manufacturers are running head-on into cost-conscious Chinese
>> consumers who just say "no" to expensive cartridges.
>>
>> Epson, desperate to turn around its wobbly printer business, has made
>> low-cost cartridges the centerpiece of its Chinese consumer printer
>> marketing strategy. It's a very high-risk move, if it sells printers,
>> competitors will have no choice but to respond, and not just in China.
>> If Epson's approach works in China, it almost certainly will work in
>> other developing countries, and perhaps even in developed countries,
>> where consumers, although richer, are also disgusted with consumables
>> costs. The industry could be facing something it has quietly dreaded for
>> years - a consumables pricing nuclear war that melts the razor-and-blades
>> model and incinerates the industry's rich profit margins."
>>
>> There is a free live webcast on the subject on the 16th of January by
>> Lyra
>>
>> http://www.webcastgroup.com/client/...d=0660116073085
>
> Bravo to the Chinese who, apparently, are smarter than most North
> Americans and just say "no" (as I do!) to overpriced cartridges . My
> point is clear on this. I will not buy OEM cartridges until a set of 5
> comes down in price to about $20 Canadian ($17 US).

If they run this model in China and not in North America there will be a
huge business for shipping Chinese spec printers from Hong Kong to the
US/Canada. If this happens, ebay will be the place I buy my next
printer.

Taliesyn (taliesyn4@netscape.net) writes:
> Industry Professional wrote:
>> HP has already introduced the "Simple Black" cartridge (http://printer.ink-
>> cartridge.com.au/hp-simple-black-cartridge-introduced) in China and India
>> to beat the refillers, but Epson has a complete strategy to defeat
>> refillers and generic cartridge manufacturers - ultra cheap consumables.
>> The catch? Consumers will pay more for their printers. Whilst still only
>> implemented in China, if it's successful there, expect the concept to
>> spread to all markets.
>>
>> "For more than a decade, the printer industry has counted on a potent
>> combination of low-cost hardware that draws in buyers and high-priced
>> supplies that deliver some of the best margins of any business. But now,
>> printer manufacturers are running head-on into cost-conscious Chinese
>> consumers who just say "no" to expensive cartridges.
>>
>> Epson, desperate to turn around its wobbly printer business, has made
>> low-cost cartridges the centerpiece of its Chinese consumer printer
>> marketing strategy. It's a very high-risk move, if it sells printers,
>> competitors will have no choice but to respond, and not just in China.
>> If Epson's approach works in China, it almost certainly will work in
>> other developing countries, and perhaps even in developed countries,
>> where consumers, although richer, are also disgusted with consumables
>> costs. The industry could be facing something it has quietly dreaded for
>> years - a consumables pricing nuclear war that melts the razor-and-blades
>> model and incinerates the industry's rich profit margins."
>>
>> There is a free live webcast on the subject on the 16th of January by Lyra
>>
>> http://www.webcastgroup.com/client/...d=0660116073085
>
> Bravo to the Chinese who, apparently, are smarter than most North
> Americans and just say "no" (as I do!) to overpriced cartridges . My
> point is clear on this. I will not buy OEM cartridges until a set of 5
> comes down in price to about $20 Canadian ($17 US).
>
> -Taliesyn


It isn't a metter of price, but that the clever Chinese can and do
counterfeit almost anything (heck, they make it in the first place, so the
conterfeits may come out the back door of the same factory that makes the
brnaded product). I understand Chinese pay more for their computers too,
since Microsoft has started virtually giving away a baisc version of
Windows, because discs of that are sold for a few Yuan on the street.

Brendan

Taliesyn wrote:

> Industry Professional wrote:
>
>> HP has already introduced the "Simple Black" cartridge
>> (http://printer.ink-
>> cartridge.com.au/hp-simple-black-cartridge-introduced) in China and
>> India to beat the refillers, but Epson has a complete strategy to
>> defeat refillers and generic cartridge manufacturers - ultra cheap
>> consumables. The catch? Consumers will pay more for their printers.
>> Whilst still only implemented in China, if it's successful there,
>> expect the concept to spread to all markets.
>>
>> "For more than a decade, the printer industry has counted on a potent
>> combination of low-cost hardware that draws in buyers and high-priced
>> supplies that deliver some of the best margins of any business. But now,
>> printer manufacturers are running head-on into cost-conscious Chinese
>> consumers who just say "no" to expensive cartridges.
>>
>> Epson, desperate to turn around its wobbly printer business, has made
>> low-cost cartridges the centerpiece of its Chinese consumer printer
>> marketing strategy. It's a very high-risk move, if it sells printers,
>> competitors will have no choice but to respond, and not just in China.
>> If Epson's approach works in China, it almost certainly will work in
>> other developing countries, and perhaps even in developed countries,
>> where consumers, although richer, are also disgusted with consumables
>> costs. The industry could be facing something it has quietly dreaded for
>> years - a consumables pricing nuclear war that melts the razor-and-blades
>> model and incinerates the industry's rich profit margins."
>>
>> There is a free live webcast on the subject on the 16th of January by
>> Lyra
>>
>> http://www.webcastgroup.com/client/...d=0660116073085
>
>
> Bravo to the Chinese who, apparently, are smarter than most North
> Americans and just say "no" (as I do!) to overpriced cartridges . My
> point is clear on this. I will not buy OEM cartridges until a set of 5
> comes down in price to about $20 Canadian ($17 US).
>
> -Taliesyn

I would hardly call that..."A blow to refillers & ink suppliers". It's
more like a victory although let wait and see what happens to the
Western culture crowd.
It's difficult to see the highly overpaid exe's take a pay cut to sell
more ink.
Did you see where the outgoing CEO of Home Depot got a $210 million
going away bonus?
Frank

Industry Professional wrote:
> HP has already introduced the "Simple Black" cartridge (http://printer.ink-
> cartridge.com.au/hp-simple-black-cartridge-introduced) in China and India
> to beat the refillers, but Epson has a complete strategy to defeat
> refillers and generic cartridge manufacturers
On the surface that sounds good. Tell us more. Sounds exciting
> - ultra cheap consumables.
> The catch? Consumers will pay more for their printers. Whilst still only
> implemented in China, if it's successful there, expect the concept to
> spread to all markets.
>
> "For more than a decade, the printer industry has counted on a potent
> combination of low-cost hardware that draws in buyers and high-priced
> supplies that deliver some of the best margins of any business. But now,
> printer manufacturers are running head-on into cost-conscious Chinese
> consumers who just say "no" to expensive cartridges.
>
> Epson, desperate to turn around its wobbly printer business, has made
> low-cost cartridges the centerpiece of its Chinese consumer printer
> marketing strategy. It's a very high-risk move, if it sells printers,
> competitors will have no choice but to respond, and not just in China.
> If Epson's approach works in China, it almost certainly will work in
> other developing countries, and perhaps even in developed countries,
> where consumers, although richer, are also disgusted with consumables
> costs. The industry could be facing something it has quietly dreaded for
> years - a consumables pricing nuclear war that melts the razor-and-blades
> model and incinerates the industry's rich profit margins."
>

This would sound like a good idea. Pay $50.00 more for a printer and
get $5.00 OEM ink and no more relabelers. Sounds great.
> There is a free live webcast on the subject on the 16th of January by Lyra
>
> http://www.webcastgroup.com/client/...d=0660116073085
>

Taliesyn wrote:
> Industry Professional wrote:
>> HP has already introduced the "Simple Black" cartridge
>> (http://printer.ink-
>> cartridge.com.au/hp-simple-black-cartridge-introduced) in China and
>> India to beat the refillers, but Epson has a complete strategy to
>> defeat refillers and generic cartridge manufacturers - ultra cheap
>> consumables. The catch? Consumers will pay more for their printers.
>> Whilst still only implemented in China, if it's successful there,
>> expect the concept to spread to all markets.
>>
>> "For more than a decade, the printer industry has counted on a potent
>> combination of low-cost hardware that draws in buyers and high-priced
>> supplies that deliver some of the best margins of any business. But now,
>> printer manufacturers are running head-on into cost-conscious Chinese
>> consumers who just say "no" to expensive cartridges.
>>
>> Epson, desperate to turn around its wobbly printer business, has made
>> low-cost cartridges the centerpiece of its Chinese consumer printer
>> marketing strategy. It's a very high-risk move, if it sells printers,
>> competitors will have no choice but to respond, and not just in China.
>> If Epson's approach works in China, it almost certainly will work in
>> other developing countries, and perhaps even in developed countries,
>> where consumers, although richer, are also disgusted with consumables
>> costs. The industry could be facing something it has quietly dreaded for
>> years - a consumables pricing nuclear war that melts the
>> razor-and-blades
>> model and incinerates the industry's rich profit margins."
>>
>> There is a free live webcast on the subject on the 16th of January by
>> Lyra
>>
>> http://www.webcastgroup.com/client/...d=0660116073085
>
> Bravo to the Chinese who, apparently, are smarter than most North
> Americans and just say "no" (as I do!) to overpriced cartridges . My
> point is clear on this. I will not buy OEM cartridges until a set of 5
> comes down in price to about $20 Canadian ($17 US).

I hear what you are saying. OEM is better but you do not want to pay
for it at today's prices but you will at $20.00 cause you know it is
better. Fade less, clogs less and the print quality is better. Well
maybe you would like $15.00 for the generic so you could save a little
more allowance.
>
> -Taliesyn

measekite wrote:
>
>
> Taliesyn wrote:
>

>>> But now,printer manufacturers are running head-on into cost-conscious
>>> Chinese consumers who just say "no" to expensive cartridges.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Bravo to the Chinese who, apparently, are smarter than most North
>> Americans and just say "no" (as I do!) to overpriced cartridges . My
>> point is clear on this. I will not buy OEM cartridges until a set of 5
>> comes down in price to about $20 Canadian ($17 US).
>
>
> I hear what you are saying.

Glad we agree!

-Taliesyn

"Industry Professional" <printers> wrote in message
news:Xns98AE80E5BE472cw@207.14.116.130...
> HP has already introduced the "Simple Black" cartridge
> (http://printer.ink-
> cartridge.com.au/hp-simple-black-cartridge-introduced) in China and India
> to beat the refillers, but Epson has a complete strategy to defeat
> refillers and generic cartridge manufacturers - ultra cheap consumables.
> The catch? Consumers will pay more for their printers. Whilst still only
> implemented in China, if it's successful there, expect the concept to
> spread to all markets.
>
> "For more than a decade, the printer industry has counted on a potent
> combination of low-cost hardware that draws in buyers and high-priced
> supplies that deliver some of the best margins of any business. But now,
> printer manufacturers are running head-on into cost-conscious Chinese
> consumers who just say "no" to expensive cartridges.
>
> Epson, desperate to turn around its wobbly printer business, has made
> low-cost cartridges the centerpiece of its Chinese consumer printer
> marketing strategy. It's a very high-risk move, if it sells printers,
> competitors will have no choice but to respond, and not just in China.
> If Epson's approach works in China, it almost certainly will work in
> other developing countries, and perhaps even in developed countries,
> where consumers, although richer, are also disgusted with consumables
> costs. The industry could be facing something it has quietly dreaded for
> years - a consumables pricing nuclear war that melts the razor-and-blades
> model and incinerates the industry's rich profit margins."
>
> There is a free live webcast on the subject on the 16th of January by Lyra
>
> http://www.webcastgroup.com/client/...d=0660116073085

Just wait till this business model hits your cell phones. You won't be going
yuk yuk for too long.

On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:10:07 -0500, "mark_digital©"
<976-XXX@comcastnot.com> wrote:


>Just wait till this business model hits your cell phones. You won't be going
>yuk yuk for too long.
>

What type of ink do you recommend for refilling a cellphone?