Without prejudice, but OneCare sucks big time

Without prejudice, but OneCare sucks big time – and yes, I do realise it’s a
beta. I’m using the Vista Ultimate RTM release, and OneCare could not detect
(let alone combat) one virus and one Trojan on our testbed system. OneCare’s
tuning option removes files nilly-wily without letting the user know what it
removed. Turned out it removed system files needed by other software to run!
OneCare’s firewall (which replaces the Vista firewall) is even less
dependable / customizable, even though it offers full bothy-way protection
out of the box. OneCare’s insistence on having Automatic Updates turned on is
also rather annoying; after all the user should have the option whether s/he
wants that feature or not – and a lot of people do not want to be alerted on
a daily basis about some minor crappy updates that do little, if anything, to
improve performance or security!

Microsoft really needs to rethink its strategy and approach to all aspects
of security as a matter of priority. By attempting to block third-party
vendors from supplying solid, reliable security software, Microsoft leaves
Vista wide open to code hackers and other malware suppliers. Quite frankly,
Microsoft’s reputation for delivering reliable and trustworthy security
applications is at best very, very low! Until people can trust Vista, Vista
sales will be slower than a snail on speed!

Personally, I am running Vista Ultimate with Nod32 for anti virus
protection, and make the most out of the inbuilt firewall, which - with a bit
of tuning - is well capable of monitoring and preventing traffic in both
directions. A little free utility called “Vista Firewall Control” from
Castlecops helps tremendously in that task.

But make no mistake, as soon as other software vendors have managed to
release reliable security software products for Vista (Agnitum, Kaspersky,
AVG et al) I will definitely employ one of their firewall products, dumping
Microsoft’s Defender and firewall for good! Unfortunately Trend Micro’s beta
security package expires on 31-12-2006. Though very capable, it was a massive
resource hog (+/-170MB) and did not allow any other antivirus program on the
system, which I frankly find rather off putting!

On a final note, I find Microsoft’s behaviour utterly disgraceful. Vista is
definitely a nice step up, but Microsoft’s blatant attempt of trying to
corner the security market is not only anti-competitive, but almost criminal,
given Microsoft’s poorer then poor history of OS security!

Let’s hope justice will be served in a similar manner as when Microsoft was
told to refrain from forcing people to use just their browser, just their
media player and so on!!!

Hello akita,

Answerd:

http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...2f-173d6b50628f

http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...03-3f1e77e45301



"akita" wrote:

> Without prejudice, but OneCare sucks big time – and yes, I do realise it’s a
> beta. I’m using the Vista Ultimate RTM release, and OneCare could not detect
> (let alone combat) one virus and one Trojan on our testbed system. OneCare’s
> tuning option removes files nilly-wily without letting the user know what it
> removed. Turned out it removed system files needed by other software to run!
> OneCare’s firewall (which replaces the Vista firewall) is even less
> dependable / customizable, even though it offers full bothy-way protection
> out of the box. OneCare’s insistence on having Automatic Updates turned on is
> also rather annoying; after all the user should have the option whether s/he
> wants that feature or not – and a lot of people do not want to be alerted on
> a daily basis about some minor crappy updates that do little, if anything, to
> improve performance or security!
>
> Microsoft really needs to rethink its strategy and approach to all aspects
> of security as a matter of priority. By attempting to block third-party
> vendors from supplying solid, reliable security software, Microsoft leaves
> Vista wide open to code hackers and other malware suppliers. Quite frankly,
> Microsoft’s reputation for delivering reliable and trustworthy security
> applications is at best very, very low! Until people can trust Vista, Vista
> sales will be slower than a snail on speed!
>
> Personally, I am running Vista Ultimate with Nod32 for anti virus
> protection, and make the most out of the inbuilt firewall, which - with a bit
> of tuning - is well capable of monitoring and preventing traffic in both
> directions. A little free utility called “Vista Firewall Control” from
> Castlecops helps tremendously in that task.
>
> But make no mistake, as soon as other software vendors have managed to
> release reliable security software products for Vista (Agnitum, Kaspersky,
> AVG et al) I will definitely employ one of their firewall products, dumping
> Microsoft’s Defender and firewall for good! Unfortunately Trend Micro’s beta
> security package expires on 31-12-2006. Though very capable, it was a massive
> resource hog (+/-170MB) and did not allow any other antivirus program on the
> system, which I frankly find rather off putting!
>
> On a final note, I find Microsoft’s behaviour utterly disgraceful. Vista is
> definitely a nice step up, but Microsoft’s blatant attempt of trying to
> corner the security market is not only anti-competitive, but almost criminal,
> given Microsoft’s poorer then poor history of OS security!
>
> Let’s hope justice will be served in a similar manner as when Microsoft was
> told to refrain from forcing people to use just their browser, just their
> media player and so on!!!
>

http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...5c-57a2b9adc33a

http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...s&lang=en&cr=US



http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...2f-173d6b50628f

http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...03-3f1e77e45301


"akita" wrote:

> Without prejudice, but OneCare sucks big time – and yes, I do realise it’s a
> beta. I’m using the Vista Ultimate RTM release, and OneCare could not detect
> (let alone combat) one virus and one Trojan on our testbed system. OneCare’s
> tuning option removes files nilly-wily without letting the user know what it
> removed. Turned out it removed system files needed by other software to run!
> OneCare’s firewall (which replaces the Vista firewall) is even less
> dependable / customizable, even though it offers full bothy-way protection
> out of the box. OneCare’s insistence on having Automatic Updates turned on is
> also rather annoying; after all the user should have the option whether s/he
> wants that feature or not – and a lot of people do not want to be alerted on
> a daily basis about some minor crappy updates that do little, if anything, to
> improve performance or security!
>
> Microsoft really needs to rethink its strategy and approach to all aspects
> of security as a matter of priority. By attempting to block third-party
> vendors from supplying solid, reliable security software, Microsoft leaves
> Vista wide open to code hackers and other malware suppliers. Quite frankly,
> Microsoft’s reputation for delivering reliable and trustworthy security
> applications is at best very, very low! Until people can trust Vista, Vista
> sales will be slower than a snail on speed!
>
> Personally, I am running Vista Ultimate with Nod32 for anti virus
> protection, and make the most out of the inbuilt firewall, which - with a bit
> of tuning - is well capable of monitoring and preventing traffic in both
> directions. A little free utility called “Vista Firewall Control” from
> Castlecops helps tremendously in that task.
>
> But make no mistake, as soon as other software vendors have managed to
> release reliable security software products for Vista (Agnitum, Kaspersky,
> AVG et al) I will definitely employ one of their firewall products, dumping
> Microsoft’s Defender and firewall for good! Unfortunately Trend Micro’s beta
> security package expires on 31-12-2006. Though very capable, it was a massive
> resource hog (+/-170MB) and did not allow any other antivirus program on the
> system, which I frankly find rather off putting!
>
> On a final note, I find Microsoft’s behaviour utterly disgraceful. Vista is
> definitely a nice step up, but Microsoft’s blatant attempt of trying to
> corner the security market is not only anti-competitive, but almost criminal,
> given Microsoft’s poorer then poor history of OS security!
>
> Let’s hope justice will be served in a similar manner as when Microsoft was
> told to refrain from forcing people to use just their browser, just their
> media player and so on!!!
>

Hi Engel;

Yes! So? What’s your point, mate? Is there a law against posting in multiple
AND relevant forums?

All I’m trying to do is make people aware of the uselessness, if not to say
downright danger, of yet another so-called security product Microsoft claims
to be superior to all others, including, if not especially, third-party
vendors that have been known, proven and tested over time, to supply far more
advanced, not to mention reliable, products than Redmond has ever offered to
the public!

Instead of fighting said third-party software vendors, perhaps Microsoft
should come off its high horse and offer them the full and unhindered support
they need to supplement Vista users with working security options!! By
seemingly doing the opposite, Microsoft only invites more code hackers to
have a go – something we all want to stop!

Merry Christmas and have a great Happy New Year.


"Engel" wrote:

> http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...5c-57a2b9adc33a
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...s&lang=en&cr=US
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...2f-173d6b50628f
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...03-3f1e77e45301

Angel: no gastes las municiones en un pendango.
Efrain

"Engel" wrote:

> http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...5c-57a2b9adc33a
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...s&lang=en&cr=US
>
>
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...2f-173d6b50628f
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...03-3f1e77e45301
>
>
> "akita" wrote:
>
> > Without prejudice, but OneCare sucks big time – and yes, I do realise it’s a
> > beta. I’m using the Vista Ultimate RTM release, and OneCare could not detect
> > (let alone combat) one virus and one Trojan on our testbed system. OneCare’s
> > tuning option removes files nilly-wily without letting the user know what it
> > removed. Turned out it removed system files needed by other software to run!
> > OneCare’s firewall (which replaces the Vista firewall) is even less
> > dependable / customizable, even though it offers full bothy-way protection
> > out of the box. OneCare’s insistence on having Automatic Updates turned on is
> > also rather annoying; after all the user should have the option whether s/he
> > wants that feature or not – and a lot of people do not want to be alerted on
> > a daily basis about some minor crappy updates that do little, if anything, to
> > improve performance or security!
> >
> > Microsoft really needs to rethink its strategy and approach to all aspects
> > of security as a matter of priority. By attempting to block third-party
> > vendors from supplying solid, reliable security software, Microsoft leaves
> > Vista wide open to code hackers and other malware suppliers. Quite frankly,
> > Microsoft’s reputation for delivering reliable and trustworthy security
> > applications is at best very, very low! Until people can trust Vista, Vista
> > sales will be slower than a snail on speed!
> >
> > Personally, I am running Vista Ultimate with Nod32 for anti virus
> > protection, and make the most out of the inbuilt firewall, which - with a bit
> > of tuning - is well capable of monitoring and preventing traffic in both
> > directions. A little free utility called “Vista Firewall Control” from
> > Castlecops helps tremendously in that task.
> >
> > But make no mistake, as soon as other software vendors have managed to
> > release reliable security software products for Vista (Agnitum, Kaspersky,
> > AVG et al) I will definitely employ one of their firewall products, dumping
> > Microsoft’s Defender and firewall for good! Unfortunately Trend Micro’s beta
> > security package expires on 31-12-2006. Though very capable, it was a massive
> > resource hog (+/-170MB) and did not allow any other antivirus program on the
> > system, which I frankly find rather off putting!
> >
> > On a final note, I find Microsoft’s behaviour utterly disgraceful. Vista is
> > definitely a nice step up, but Microsoft’s blatant attempt of trying to
> > corner the security market is not only anti-competitive, but almost criminal,
> > given Microsoft’s poorer then poor history of OS security!
> >
> > Let’s hope justice will be served in a similar manner as when Microsoft was
> > told to refrain from forcing people to use just their browser, just their
> > media player and so on!!!
> >

Pendango or Troll? ;-)

"Efrain" wrote:

> Angel: no gastes las municiones en un pendango.
> Efrain
>
> "Engel" wrote:
>
> > http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...5c-57a2b9adc33a
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...s&lang=en&cr=US
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...2f-173d6b50628f
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...03-3f1e77e45301
> >
> >
> > "akita" wrote:
> >
> > > Without prejudice, but OneCare sucks big time – and yes, I do realise it’s a
> > > beta. I’m using the Vista Ultimate RTM release, and OneCare could not detect
> > > (let alone combat) one virus and one Trojan on our testbed system. OneCare’s
> > > tuning option removes files nilly-wily without letting the user know what it
> > > removed. Turned out it removed system files needed by other software to run!
> > > OneCare’s firewall (which replaces the Vista firewall) is even less
> > > dependable / customizable, even though it offers full bothy-way protection
> > > out of the box. OneCare’s insistence on having Automatic Updates turned on is
> > > also rather annoying; after all the user should have the option whether s/he
> > > wants that feature or not – and a lot of people do not want to be alerted on
> > > a daily basis about some minor crappy updates that do little, if anything, to
> > > improve performance or security!
> > >
> > > Microsoft really needs to rethink its strategy and approach to all aspects
> > > of security as a matter of priority. By attempting to block third-party
> > > vendors from supplying solid, reliable security software, Microsoft leaves
> > > Vista wide open to code hackers and other malware suppliers. Quite frankly,
> > > Microsoft’s reputation for delivering reliable and trustworthy security
> > > applications is at best very, very low! Until people can trust Vista, Vista
> > > sales will be slower than a snail on speed!
> > >
> > > Personally, I am running Vista Ultimate with Nod32 for anti virus
> > > protection, and make the most out of the inbuilt firewall, which - with a bit
> > > of tuning - is well capable of monitoring and preventing traffic in both
> > > directions. A little free utility called “Vista Firewall Control” from
> > > Castlecops helps tremendously in that task.
> > >
> > > But make no mistake, as soon as other software vendors have managed to
> > > release reliable security software products for Vista (Agnitum, Kaspersky,
> > > AVG et al) I will definitely employ one of their firewall products, dumping
> > > Microsoft’s Defender and firewall for good! Unfortunately Trend Micro’s beta
> > > security package expires on 31-12-2006. Though very capable, it was a massive
> > > resource hog (+/-170MB) and did not allow any other antivirus program on the
> > > system, which I frankly find rather off putting!
> > >
> > > On a final note, I find Microsoft’s behaviour utterly disgraceful. Vista is
> > > definitely a nice step up, but Microsoft’s blatant attempt of trying to
> > > corner the security market is not only anti-competitive, but almost criminal,
> > > given Microsoft’s poorer then poor history of OS security!
> > >
> > > Let’s hope justice will be served in a similar manner as when Microsoft was
> > > told to refrain from forcing people to use just their browser, just their
> > > media player and so on!!!
> > >

new word for me, had to look it up in dictionary
Efrain

"Engel" wrote:

> Pendango or Troll? ;-)
>
> "Efrain" wrote:
>
> > Angel: no gastes las municiones en un pendango.
> > Efrain
> >
> > "Engel" wrote:
> >
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...5c-57a2b9adc33a
> > >
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...s&lang=en&cr=US
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...2f-173d6b50628f
> > >
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...03-3f1e77e45301
> > >
> > >
> > > "akita" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Without prejudice, but OneCare sucks big time – and yes, I do realise it’s a
> > > > beta. I’m using the Vista Ultimate RTM release, and OneCare could not detect
> > > > (let alone combat) one virus and one Trojan on our testbed system. OneCare’s
> > > > tuning option removes files nilly-wily without letting the user know what it
> > > > removed. Turned out it removed system files needed by other software to run!
> > > > OneCare’s firewall (which replaces the Vista firewall) is even less
> > > > dependable / customizable, even though it offers full bothy-way protection
> > > > out of the box. OneCare’s insistence on having Automatic Updates turned on is
> > > > also rather annoying; after all the user should have the option whether s/he
> > > > wants that feature or not – and a lot of people do not want to be alerted on
> > > > a daily basis about some minor crappy updates that do little, if anything, to
> > > > improve performance or security!
> > > >
> > > > Microsoft really needs to rethink its strategy and approach to all aspects
> > > > of security as a matter of priority. By attempting to block third-party
> > > > vendors from supplying solid, reliable security software, Microsoft leaves
> > > > Vista wide open to code hackers and other malware suppliers. Quite frankly,
> > > > Microsoft’s reputation for delivering reliable and trustworthy security
> > > > applications is at best very, very low! Until people can trust Vista, Vista
> > > > sales will be slower than a snail on speed!
> > > >
> > > > Personally, I am running Vista Ultimate with Nod32 for anti virus
> > > > protection, and make the most out of the inbuilt firewall, which - with a bit
> > > > of tuning - is well capable of monitoring and preventing traffic in both
> > > > directions. A little free utility called “Vista Firewall Control” from
> > > > Castlecops helps tremendously in that task.
> > > >
> > > > But make no mistake, as soon as other software vendors have managed to
> > > > release reliable security software products for Vista (Agnitum, Kaspersky,
> > > > AVG et al) I will definitely employ one of their firewall products, dumping
> > > > Microsoft’s Defender and firewall for good! Unfortunately Trend Micro’s beta
> > > > security package expires on 31-12-2006. Though very capable, it was a massive
> > > > resource hog (+/-170MB) and did not allow any other antivirus program on the
> > > > system, which I frankly find rather off putting!
> > > >
> > > > On a final note, I find Microsoft’s behaviour utterly disgraceful. Vista is
> > > > definitely a nice step up, but Microsoft’s blatant attempt of trying to
> > > > corner the security market is not only anti-competitive, but almost criminal,
> > > > given Microsoft’s poorer then poor history of OS security!
> > > >
> > > > Let’s hope justice will be served in a similar manner as when Microsoft was
> > > > told to refrain from forcing people to use just their browser, just their
> > > > media player and so on!!!
> > > >

http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm
"Efrain" wrote:

> new word for me, had to look it up in dictionary
> Efrain
>
> "Engel" wrote:
>
> > Pendango or Troll? ;-)
> >
> > "Efrain" wrote:
> >
> > > Angel: no gastes las municiones en un pendango.
> > > Efrain
> > >
> > > "Engel" wrote:
> > >
> > > > http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...5c-57a2b9adc33a
> > > >
> > > > http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...s&lang=en&cr=US
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...2f-173d6b50628f
> > > >
> > > > http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...03-3f1e77e45301
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "akita" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Without prejudice, but OneCare sucks big time – and yes, I do realise it’s a
> > > > > beta. I’m using the Vista Ultimate RTM release, and OneCare could not detect
> > > > > (let alone combat) one virus and one Trojan on our testbed system. OneCare’s
> > > > > tuning option removes files nilly-wily without letting the user know what it
> > > > > removed. Turned out it removed system files needed by other software to run!
> > > > > OneCare’s firewall (which replaces the Vista firewall) is even less
> > > > > dependable / customizable, even though it offers full bothy-way protection
> > > > > out of the box. OneCare’s insistence on having Automatic Updates turned on is
> > > > > also rather annoying; after all the user should have the option whether s/he
> > > > > wants that feature or not – and a lot of people do not want to be alerted on
> > > > > a daily basis about some minor crappy updates that do little, if anything, to
> > > > > improve performance or security!
> > > > >
> > > > > Microsoft really needs to rethink its strategy and approach to all aspects
> > > > > of security as a matter of priority. By attempting to block third-party
> > > > > vendors from supplying solid, reliable security software, Microsoft leaves
> > > > > Vista wide open to code hackers and other malware suppliers. Quite frankly,
> > > > > Microsoft’s reputation for delivering reliable and trustworthy security
> > > > > applications is at best very, very low! Until people can trust Vista, Vista
> > > > > sales will be slower than a snail on speed!
> > > > >
> > > > > Personally, I am running Vista Ultimate with Nod32 for anti virus
> > > > > protection, and make the most out of the inbuilt firewall, which - with a bit
> > > > > of tuning - is well capable of monitoring and preventing traffic in both
> > > > > directions. A little free utility called “Vista Firewall Control” from
> > > > > Castlecops helps tremendously in that task.
> > > > >
> > > > > But make no mistake, as soon as other software vendors have managed to
> > > > > release reliable security software products for Vista (Agnitum, Kaspersky,
> > > > > AVG et al) I will definitely employ one of their firewall products, dumping
> > > > > Microsoft’s Defender and firewall for good! Unfortunately Trend Micro’s beta
> > > > > security package expires on 31-12-2006. Though very capable, it was a massive
> > > > > resource hog (+/-170MB) and did not allow any other antivirus program on the
> > > > > system, which I frankly find rather off putting!
> > > > >
> > > > > On a final note, I find Microsoft’s behaviour utterly disgraceful. Vista is
> > > > > definitely a nice step up, but Microsoft’s blatant attempt of trying to
> > > > > corner the security market is not only anti-competitive, but almost criminal,
> > > > > given Microsoft’s poorer then poor history of OS security!
> > > > >
> > > > > Let’s hope justice will be served in a similar manner as when Microsoft was
> > > > > told to refrain from forcing people to use just their browser, just their
> > > > > media player and so on!!!
> > > > >

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"Engel" wrote:

>
> http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm
> "Efrain" wrote:
>
> > new word for me, had to look it up in dictionary
> > Efrain
> >
> > "Engel" wrote:
> >
> > > Pendango or Troll? ;-)
> > >
> > > "Efrain" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Angel: no gastes las municiones en un pendango.
> > > > Efrain
> > > >
> > > > "Engel" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...5c-57a2b9adc33a
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...s&lang=en&cr=US
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...2f-173d6b50628f
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...03-3f1e77e45301
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "akita" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Without prejudice, but OneCare sucks big time – and yes, I do realise it’s a
> > > > > > beta. I’m using the Vista Ultimate RTM release, and OneCare could not detect
> > > > > > (let alone combat) one virus and one Trojan on our testbed system. OneCare’s
> > > > > > tuning option removes files nilly-wily without letting the user know what it
> > > > > > removed. Turned out it removed system files needed by other software to run!
> > > > > > OneCare’s firewall (which replaces the Vista firewall) is even less
> > > > > > dependable / customizable, even though it offers full bothy-way protection
> > > > > > out of the box. OneCare’s insistence on having Automatic Updates turned on is
> > > > > > also rather annoying; after all the user should have the option whether s/he
> > > > > > wants that feature or not – and a lot of people do not want to be alerted on
> > > > > > a daily basis about some minor crappy updates that do little, if anything, to
> > > > > > improve performance or security!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Microsoft really needs to rethink its strategy and approach to all aspects
> > > > > > of security as a matter of priority. By attempting to block third-party
> > > > > > vendors from supplying solid, reliable security software, Microsoft leaves
> > > > > > Vista wide open to code hackers and other malware suppliers. Quite frankly,
> > > > > > Microsoft’s reputation for delivering reliable and trustworthy security
> > > > > > applications is at best very, very low! Until people can trust Vista, Vista
> > > > > > sales will be slower than a snail on speed!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Personally, I am running Vista Ultimate with Nod32 for anti virus
> > > > > > protection, and make the most out of the inbuilt firewall, which - with a bit
> > > > > > of tuning - is well capable of monitoring and preventing traffic in both
> > > > > > directions. A little free utility called “Vista Firewall Control” from
> > > > > > Castlecops helps tremendously in that task.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But make no mistake, as soon as other software vendors have managed to
> > > > > > release reliable security software products for Vista (Agnitum, Kaspersky,
> > > > > > AVG et al) I will definitely employ one of their firewall products, dumping
> > > > > > Microsoft’s Defender and firewall for good! Unfortunately Trend Micro’s beta
> > > > > > security package expires on 31-12-2006. Though very capable, it was a massive
> > > > > > resource hog (+/-170MB) and did not allow any other antivirus program on the
> > > > > > system, which I frankly find rather off putting!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On a final note, I find Microsoft’s behaviour utterly disgraceful. Vista is
> > > > > > definitely a nice step up, but Microsoft’s blatant attempt of trying to
> > > > > > corner the security market is not only anti-competitive, but almost criminal,
> > > > > > given Microsoft’s poorer then poor history of OS security!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let’s hope justice will be served in a similar manner as when Microsoft was
> > > > > > told to refrain from forcing people to use just their browser, just their
> > > > > > media player and so on!!!
> > > > > >

http://www.onelook.com/

"Efrain" wrote:

> Sorry, We Can't Find That Page
> You might try retyping the URL, or searching below
>
>
>
> "Engel" wrote:
>
> >
> > http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm
> > "Efrain" wrote:
> >
> > > new word for me, had to look it up in dictionary
> > > Efrain
> > >
> > > "Engel" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Pendango or Troll? ;-)
> > > >
> > > > "Efrain" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Angel: no gastes las municiones en un pendango.
> > > > > Efrain
> > > > >
> > > > > "Engel" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...5c-57a2b9adc33a
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...s&lang=en&cr=US
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...2f-173d6b50628f
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...03-3f1e77e45301
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "akita" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Without prejudice, but OneCare sucks big time – and yes, I do realise it’s a
> > > > > > > beta. I’m using the Vista Ultimate RTM release, and OneCare could not detect
> > > > > > > (let alone combat) one virus and one Trojan on our testbed system. OneCare’s
> > > > > > > tuning option removes files nilly-wily without letting the user know what it
> > > > > > > removed. Turned out it removed system files needed by other software to run!
> > > > > > > OneCare’s firewall (which replaces the Vista firewall) is even less
> > > > > > > dependable / customizable, even though it offers full bothy-way protection
> > > > > > > out of the box. OneCare’s insistence on having Automatic Updates turned on is
> > > > > > > also rather annoying; after all the user should have the option whether s/he
> > > > > > > wants that feature or not – and a lot of people do not want to be alerted on
> > > > > > > a daily basis about some minor crappy updates that do little, if anything, to
> > > > > > > improve performance or security!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Microsoft really needs to rethink its strategy and approach to all aspects
> > > > > > > of security as a matter of priority. By attempting to block third-party
> > > > > > > vendors from supplying solid, reliable security software, Microsoft leaves
> > > > > > > Vista wide open to code hackers and other malware suppliers. Quite frankly,
> > > > > > > Microsoft’s reputation for delivering reliable and trustworthy security
> > > > > > > applications is at best very, very low! Until people can trust Vista, Vista
> > > > > > > sales will be slower than a snail on speed!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Personally, I am running Vista Ultimate with Nod32 for anti virus
> > > > > > > protection, and make the most out of the inbuilt firewall, which - with a bit
> > > > > > > of tuning - is well capable of monitoring and preventing traffic in both
> > > > > > > directions. A little free utility called “Vista Firewall Control” from
> > > > > > > Castlecops helps tremendously in that task.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But make no mistake, as soon as other software vendors have managed to
> > > > > > > release reliable security software products for Vista (Agnitum, Kaspersky,
> > > > > > > AVG et al) I will definitely employ one of their firewall products, dumping
> > > > > > > Microsoft’s Defender and firewall for good! Unfortunately Trend Micro’s beta
> > > > > > > security package expires on 31-12-2006. Though very capable, it was a massive
> > > > > > > resource hog (+/-170MB) and did not allow any other antivirus program on the
> > > > > > > system, which I frankly find rather off putting!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On a final note, I find Microsoft’s behaviour utterly disgraceful. Vista is
> > > > > > > definitely a nice step up, but Microsoft’s blatant attempt of trying to
> > > > > > > corner the security market is not only anti-competitive, but almost criminal,
> > > > > > > given Microsoft’s poorer then poor history of OS security!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let’s hope justice will be served in a similar manner as when Microsoft was
> > > > > > > told to refrain from forcing people to use just their browser, just their
> > > > > > > media player and so on!!!
> > > > > > >