Page check / critique please

Ok folks here's your chance.

Which is better??

The old home page with tables and all:
http://steve/95isalive/index.html

or the test version of the new table less one that uses only divs and CSS and which was
created in Expression Web designer??
http://www.95isalive.com/test.htm


Here's your chance to harass an MVP

;-)

--
Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
FP Cleaner
http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/fpclean.htm
Hit Me FP
http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/HitMeFP.htm

First...is 95 really still alive?

Put the blinking text back!!


:-)




"Steve Easton" <admin@95isalive.com> wrote in message
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| Ok folks here's your chance.
|
| Which is better??
|
| The old home page with tables and all:
| http://steve/95isalive/index.html
|
| or the test version of the new table less one that uses only divs and CSS
and which was
| created in Expression Web designer??
| http://www.95isalive.com/test.htm
|
|
| Here's your chance to harass an MVP
|
| ;-)
|
| --
| Steve Easton
| Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| FP Cleaner
| http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/fpclean.htm
| Hit Me FP
| http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/HitMeFP.htm
|
|

"Rob Giordano (Crash)" <webmaster@siriussystems.invalid> wrote in message
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> First...is 95 really still alive?
>
> Put the blinking text back!!
>
LOL
Yep, still get emails from people that use "95."
As for the blinking text, which "everyone loves"
Just need to copy / reference the script on the "new" page.

Just for you Rob, here it is:
http://www.95isalive.com/test.htm

;-)

--
Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
FP Cleaner
http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/fpclean.htm
Hit Me FP
http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/HitMeFP.htm

Steve Easton wrote:
> Ok folks here's your chance.
>
> Which is better??
>
> The old home page with tables and all:
> http://steve/95isalive/index.html
>
> or the test version of the new table less one that uses only divs and
> CSS and which was created in Expression Web designer??
> http://www.95isalive.com/test.htm
>
>
> Here's your chance to harass an MVP

Well. for a start
http://steve/95isalive/index.htm doesn't exist, so I looked instead at http://95isalive.com/ and compared it to
http://95isalive.com/test.htm

Yes, I prefer the test site.

Mainly because it fits on one page (1024*768) and for some reason I prefer the lack of borders

But, does EWD have anything to do with how it looks. Surely, it is just this way because you choose to make it so.

Now I will have to look at the code and see whether I prefer.

I have had a quick look and my comments are:
1. The HTML code is very simple. I say this as a compliment - it is an advantage to have it simple.

2. (An aside really)
I love the blink function - it doesn't use any IE6 specific code, just visibility "hidden" or "" (blank).
In fact, I didn't know that blank was an option. I thought the alternative to "hidden" was "visible".

BTW, you use document.all. I thought this was a no-no for newer browsers.
I also note if "(document.all)setInterval(" , which I don't understand.
I thought it was just "setInterval(" , or perhaps "document.setInterval(" - not sure about this because I find setInterval works, so
I use it.
Are both of these because they are 95 compatible?

3. There is lots of CSS - well, 241 lines. Is this good or bad (I ask myself) ?
Probably on balance it is good. It take away the complication from the HTML. And it is not to difficult to read and figure out what
it does.

These were off-the-top comments but maybe that is the best way to make them.
--
Cheers,
Trevor L.
Website: http://tandcl.homemail.com.au

Ah that feels soo much better...seizure here I come.



"Steve Easton" <admin@95isalive.com> wrote in message
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|
| "Rob Giordano (Crash)" <webmaster@siriussystems.invalid> wrote in message
| news:O9VNCrSrGHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > First...is 95 really still alive?
| >
| > Put the blinking text back!!
| >
| LOL
| Yep, still get emails from people that use "95."
| As for the blinking text, which "everyone loves"
| Just need to copy / reference the script on the "new" page.
|
| Just for you Rob, here it is:
| http://www.95isalive.com/test.htm
|
| ;-)
|
| --
| Steve Easton
| Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| FP Cleaner
| http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/fpclean.htm
| Hit Me FP
| http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/HitMeFP.htm
|
|

hmmm, that's interesting; when I open 95.css it automatically opens in
EWD...which I do not have set as my default editor (html or otherwise).


"Steve Easton" <admin@95isalive.com> wrote in message
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|
| "Rob Giordano (Crash)" <webmaster@siriussystems.invalid> wrote in message
| news:O9VNCrSrGHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > First...is 95 really still alive?
| >
| > Put the blinking text back!!
| >
| LOL
| Yep, still get emails from people that use "95."
| As for the blinking text, which "everyone loves"
| Just need to copy / reference the script on the "new" page.
|
| Just for you Rob, here it is:
| http://www.95isalive.com/test.htm
|
| ;-)
|
| --
| Steve Easton
| Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| FP Cleaner
| http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/fpclean.htm
| Hit Me FP
| http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/HitMeFP.htm
|
|

Rob Giordano (Crash) wrote:
> hmmm, that's interesting; when I open 95.css it automatically opens in
> EWD...which I do not have set as my default editor (html or
> otherwise).

It opens in topstyle.lite for me which is not the default editor.

In fact, in Internet Settigs in IE6 there is no option for default CSS editor, only for default HTML editor which I have set to
UltraEdit32.
--
Cheers,
Trevor L.
Website: http://tandcl.homemail.com.au

in line

"Trevor L." <Trevor_L.@Canberra> wrote in message
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> Steve Easton wrote:
>> Ok folks here's your chance.
>>
>> Which is better??
>>
>> The old home page with tables and all:
>> http://steve/95isalive/index.html
>>
>> or the test version of the new table less one that uses only divs and
>> CSS and which was created in Expression Web designer??
>> http://www.95isalive.com/test.htm
>>
>>
>> Here's your chance to harass an MVP
>
> Well. for a start
> http://steve/95isalive/index.htm doesn't exist, so I looked instead at
> http://95isalive.com/ and compared it to http://95isalive.com/test.htm

Oops, I copied the link from the preview window from the IIS web.

> Yes, I prefer the test site.
>
> Mainly because it fits on one page (1024*768) and for some reason I prefer the lack of
> borders
>
> But, does EWD have anything to do with how it looks. Surely, it is just this way because
> you choose to make it so.

Correct, The site was originally created in FP 98, I just decided to revamp it totally and
used EWD instead of SPD or FP 2003

> Now I will have to look at the code and see whether I prefer.
>
> I have had a quick look and my comments are:
> 1. The HTML code is very simple. I say this as a compliment - it is an advantage to have
> it simple.

My thoughts also. Additionally, the page seems to load faster. ( to me anyway )

> 2. (An aside really)
> I love the blink function - it doesn't use any IE6 specific code, just visibility
> "hidden" or "" (blank).
> In fact, I didn't know that blank was an option. I thought the alternative to "hidden"
> was "visible".

I think at times there's a use for it, providing the blink rate is set slow enough, It
uses 1.5 seconds on and off
I actually didn't write the blink script, it was written by Kurt Grigg
http://freespace.virgin.net/kurt.grigg/
I modified it to use the samp tag because the blink tag won't validate.

> BTW, you use document.all. I thought this was a no-no for newer browsers.
> I also note if "(document.all)setInterval(" , which I don't understand.
> I thought it was just "setInterval(" , or perhaps "document.setInterval(" - not sure
> about this because I find setInterval works, so I use it.
> Are both of these because they are 95 compatible?

Just the way the script was written. iirc, document.all is / was a Netscape requirement

> 3. There is lots of CSS - well, 241 lines. Is this good or bad (I ask myself) ?
> Probably on balance it is good. It take away the complication from the HTML. And it is
> not to difficult to read and figure out what it does.

Yes there is, the amount of CSS will shrink as I go through the entire site to update it.

> These were off-the-top comments but maybe that is the best way to make them.
> --

Thanks Trevor, exactly what I was looking for.

--
Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
FP Cleaner
http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/fpclean.htm
Hit Me FP
http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/HitMeFP.htm

"Rob Giordano (Crash)" <webmaster@siriussystems.invalid> wrote in message
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> Ah that feels soo much better...seizure here I come.

Shouldn't be a problem, the blink rate is set at 1.5 seconds.
;-)


--
Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
FP Cleaner
http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/fpclean.htm
Hit Me FP
http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/HitMeFP.htm

My personal blink rate is about 1 per second, so I can hardly see the text
blinking :-)



"Steve Easton" <admin@95isalive.com> wrote in message
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|
| "Rob Giordano (Crash)" <webmaster@siriussystems.invalid> wrote in message
| news:O$6RwHUrGHA.3816@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > Ah that feels soo much better...seizure here I come.
|
| Shouldn't be a problem, the blink rate is set at 1.5 seconds.
| ;-)
|
|
| --
| Steve Easton
| Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| FP Cleaner
| http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/fpclean.htm
| Hit Me FP
| http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/HitMeFP.htm
|
|