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Hello,
I'd like to get recommendations on color calibration targets for the archival scanning of printed paper materials (books, magazines, photographic prints, etc.) The purpose is to color-correct the digital scan images. In addition, I may in the future employ a camera-based scanner (exemplified by the Internet Archive's "Scribe" machine), and curious if there is also a standardized target for measuring and even correcting any lens distortion (such as barrel distortion)? Are there calibration targets that could be used for both color and geometric distortion correction? Thanks. Jon Noring |
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"Jon" <jon@noring.name> wrote in message
news:eanb82tinraelul0b30vq0mhfbapsvlplg@4ax.com... > Hello, > > I'd like to get recommendations on color calibration targets for the > archival scanning of printed paper materials (books, magazines, > photographic prints, etc.) > > The purpose is to color-correct the digital scan images. > > In addition, I may in the future employ a camera-based scanner > (exemplified by the Internet Archive's "Scribe" machine), and curious > if there is also a standardized target for measuring and even > correcting any lens distortion (such as barrel distortion)? Are > there calibration targets that could be used for both color and > geometric distortion correction? > > Thanks. > > Jon Noring Paper targets are available. You can get color charts from Photographic supply houses. There is the MacBeth color chart and the Kodak Color Bars and Grey scale. I have a tif image of scans of those targets. http://www.carlmcmillan.com/Test_images.htm B&H link to the (current) MacBeth colorchecker. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/con...oughType=search B&H link to TecNec MCS-1 Test Chart Set. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/con...oughType=search There are some Resolution Test Patterns that could give perspective on geometric distortion checking. http://www.bealecorner.com/trv900/respat/ There are some really good PDF test charts in the above link that can be printed at very high resolution on a real good inkjet printer on photographic glossy paper. This one is black and white. http://www.bealecorner.com/trv900/respat/respat.pdf -- CSM1 http://www.carlmcmillan.com -- |
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"CSM1" wrote:
> Jon Noring asked: >> I'd like to get recommendations on color calibration targets for >> the archival scanning of printed paper materials (books, magazines, >> photographic prints, etc.) >> >> The purpose is to color-correct the digital scan images. >> >> In addition, I may in the future employ a camera-based scanner >> (exemplified by the Internet Archive's "Scribe" machine), and >> curious if there is also a standardized target for measuring and >> even correcting any lens distortion (such as barrel distortion)? >> Are there calibration targets that could be used for both color and >> geometric distortion correction? > Paper targets are available. You can get color charts from > Photographic supply houses. One issue, obviously, is getting color charts with known RGB values, plus some sort of color management (or mapping) system, which takes a scan of the color chart, and from that creates a profile which may be used to color correct page scans from the same scanner. > B&H link to the (current) MacBeth colorchecker. > http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/con...oughType=search > > B&H link to TecNec MCS-1 Test Chart Set. > http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/con...oughType=search Gulp. The prices of these charts are quite high. I was looking for something in the $30 range or less. My goal is not necessarily to get color correction to 0.1% accuracy, but something reasonably close for archival (preservation) purposes. Obviously, what is "reasonable", without providing a number, is open to a lot of interpretation -- one person's "reasonable" is another person's "unacceptable." Is it difficult to produce a color calibration target that is reasonably priced, or does each one (or those from a batch) require individual calibration? > There are some Resolution Test Patterns that could give perspective on > geometric distortion checking. > http://www.bealecorner.com/trv900/respat/ > > [snip] Thanks! Anyone else want to weigh in on this topic? Is there anyone out there who color scans printed paper items (like books), who uses color calibration targets (and color correction) for every job? Jon Noring |
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"Jon" <jon@noring.name> wrote in message news:jqrb82pq26rdjmm5vt29aff1jdqnr5m24n@4ax.com... SNIP > One issue, obviously, is getting color charts with known RGB > values, plus some sort of color management (or mapping) > system, which takes a scan of the color chart, and from that > creates a profile which may be used to color correct page > scans from the same scanner. Correct, that's the idea. http://www.targets.coloraid.de/ is a source for good quality, yet reasonably priced 'IT-8' targets, including reflective versions. They come with a reference file that gives the actual colors, but at a predefined reference spectral illumination. You'll need an application that can build a profile based on a standard illumination level and as little postprocessing as possible. At the risk of attracting the resident VueScan basher :-(, VueScan (professional) <http://www.hamrick.com/vsm.html> allows to build profiles with such an IT-8 target, and probably can drive your scanner as well. The profiles are of a simplified type, but will get you close to the result you want. Other options include experimenting with Little CMS (http://www.littlecms.com/). Bart |
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If I understand your post (and I apologize if I do not):
You are asking irrelevant questions. If you work in a color managed environment these issues can be easily addressed by your workflow. You do not necessarily need to calibrate your scanner even for archival work as most decent flatbed scanners will ship with a canned but reliable profile. As the light source ages the canned profile will not likely be correct but in truth it is irrelevant. Unless your material is archived with a color profile and downloaded by users into a color managed program that can use that information all is for naught anyway. Whoever downloads your material can use it as is or apply whatever corrections they deem necessary. There is in fact no 100% accurate color scan or way to reproduce any image with 100% accuracy or distribute it that way to end users. End users will do whatever they want with the image anyway. There are several programs and plugins that purport to have a database of distortion correction information for commonly used lenses but in practice even these are not necessarily reliable (e.g. DxO) in that you may not agree that the applied correction yields a better image. There is nothing of that sort for flatbed scanners. Unless you transmit all info about how the camera image was obtained these programs would be useless anyway. |
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[Some comments on the scanning of public domain books at end.]
Bart van der Wolf wrote: > Jon Noring wrote: >> One issue, obviously, is getting color charts with known RGB >> values, plus some sort of color management (or mapping) >> system, which takes a scan of the color chart, and from that >> creates a profile which may be used to color correct page >> scans from the same scanner. > Correct, that's the idea. > > http://www.targets.coloraid.de/ is a source for good quality, yet > reasonably priced 'IT-8' targets, including reflective versions. > They come with a reference file that gives the actual colors, but at > a predefined reference spectral illumination. You'll need an > application that can build a profile based on a standard > illumination level and as little postprocessing as possible. Thanks! I should have realized the role illumination level plays on color reproduction. *slapping hand on head* > At the risk of attracting the resident VueScan basher :-(, VueScan > (professional) <http://www.hamrick.com/vsm.html> allows to build > profiles with such an IT-8 target, and probably can drive your > scanner as well. The profiles are of a simplified type, but will get > you close to the result you want. > > Other options include experimenting with Little CMS > (http://www.littlecms.com/). Thanks for the informative feedback. **** Now, I'd like to address the reply from "bmoag" by providing a little more background to my initial request. My interest with color calibration is to setup a local "distributed scanning" group to scan public domain books, and do so in association with the Internet Archive and OCA (now talking with Brewster Kahle.) It is likely we'll start off using the fairly inexpensive Plustek OpticBook 3600 which can do bound books. Page scans will be at 600 dpi, 24-bit color, and losslessly compressed, burned to DVD-ROM and sent in to IA as well as archived on our end (some illustrations we might go as high as 1200 dpi.) Later on, after we better understand the real-world work flow issues and become comfortable with our QA procedures, we may get a professional-level sheet feed scanner to do books which can be chopped -- this should greatly increase our throughput. Of course, the Internet Archive has developed the Scribe scanner, which uses digital cameras rather than a flatbed arrangement for scanning, and if our group thrives, we may add that scanner, or something similar like the Atiz, to our fleet of scanners (thus my interest in geometric lens distortion issues.) Obviously, in a volunteer group setting like this, using multiple scanners, we need to color normalize our scans, or provide the means for someone else to do so by including scans of a standardized color target along with each book scan set. For our scanning workflow, the approach I'm thinking of is to scan the color target first, then scan the book pages, then rescan the color target at the end of the job. The color target scans will always be included with the book's raw scan set. One issue we have, of course, is QA. And one QA item (among several) is if a scanner has technical problems. This should be seen by our QA volunteers when they look at the scan of the color target. If too dark, or the colors are obviously way off, or there's "banding" across the solid color areas, means the scanner is having some kind of problem, or the person scanning may have used the wrong scanner settings. We don't initially plan to cleanup ("restore") the raw page scans, which includes color normalization, deskewing, cropping, etc. That's for another volunteer group to do (anyone here want to volunteer to set that up and lead it? <smile/>) Certainly having a scan of the color target for each book set will aid with both QA and with color normalization. Now, one has to remember that in a volunteer setting with "amateurs", many of whom are not trained Rocket Scientists (tm), we have to minimize as much as possible all the technical details they have to contend with during scanning -- they will have enough on their plate as it is. Keep this in mind if you decide to reply with suggestions of your own (of course, suggestions are welcome!) Thanks. Jon Noring (p.s., yes I'm aware of the large-scale scanning activities taking place. After all, I'm in contact with Brewster Kahle at IA, etc. So don't bring this up -- there is interest in trying the "distributed scanning" idea for reasons off-topic to this group.) |
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