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Old 22-06-2006, 05:35 AM   #1
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I have noticed on a lot of web sites that the HTML source cannot be viewed,
either by using the right-click method, or the 'view source' option in the
browser menu bar. Is this a feature you have to buy a program to get, or an
HTML command you can place on a page? Either way, could someone tell me the
program or the HTML to use? Also, can someone tell me how to use a
'redirect' command so one page automatically goes to another when the first
page is selected in a search? Either one of these would be helpful, as I
have a lot of pages that are just text for a search engine, and would like
others to be able to simply view the final destination page rather than
having to click on a link to the page. Using a hidden field is an option,
but really increases the pages loading time, and I am looking for other
options.
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Old 22-06-2006, 07:20 AM   #2
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Tat wrote:
> I have noticed on a lot of web sites that the HTML source cannot be
> viewed, either by using the right-click method, or the 'view source'
> option in the browser menu bar. Is this a feature you have to buy a
> program to get, or an HTML command you can place on a page? Either
> way, could someone tell me the program or the HTML to use? Also, can
> someone tell me how to use a 'redirect' command so one page
> automatically goes to another when the first page is selected in a
> search? Either one of these would be helpful, as I have a lot of
> pages that are just text for a search engine, and would like others
> to be able to simply view the final destination page rather than
> having to click on a link to the page. Using a hidden field is an
> option, but really increases the pages loading time, and I am looking
> for other options.

To suppress the right-click uses a bit of JS. I am not sure how people set
it up so that view source doesn't work.

But the experts here say that regadles of these methods, you will find the
HTML code in your cache. You just have to know the name of the folder the
cache is stored in. For IE6, it should be %USERPROFILE%\Local
Settings\Temporary Internet Files\ I am, told
Look for the name of the HTML as in the address bar.

For a redirect,
<html>
<head>
<title>Redirecting...</title>
<meta http-equiv="refresh" content="2; url=http://www.new.com/new/new.htm">
<!-- AN alternative
<script>
top.location.href="./xxx"
</script>
-->
</head>
<body>
<p>This page has moved. Please click
<a href="http://www.new.com/new/new.htm">here</a>
if the new page doesn't appear in 2 seconds.</p>
</body>
</html>

The parameter 2 in content=" is the number of seconds. Set it to zero for
an immediate redirect
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Trevor L.
Website: http://tandcl.homemail.com.au
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Old 22-06-2006, 07:36 AM   #3
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Thank you Trevor. I do appreciate the info. on the redirect. I will try and
paste the HTML on the necessary text page, and redirect to the actual page I
want viewed on my web, so hopefully all the 'garbage' text for the search
engines won't even be seen, and the page won't take all day to load because
of the hidden layer method I am using now.

Thank you again.

"Trevor L." wrote:

> Tat wrote:
> > I have noticed on a lot of web sites that the HTML source cannot be
> > viewed, either by using the right-click method, or the 'view source'
> > option in the browser menu bar. Is this a feature you have to buy a
> > program to get, or an HTML command you can place on a page? Either
> > way, could someone tell me the program or the HTML to use? Also, can
> > someone tell me how to use a 'redirect' command so one page
> > automatically goes to another when the first page is selected in a
> > search? Either one of these would be helpful, as I have a lot of
> > pages that are just text for a search engine, and would like others
> > to be able to simply view the final destination page rather than
> > having to click on a link to the page. Using a hidden field is an
> > option, but really increases the pages loading time, and I am looking
> > for other options.
>
> To suppress the right-click uses a bit of JS. I am not sure how people set
> it up so that view source doesn't work.
>
> But the experts here say that regadles of these methods, you will find the
> HTML code in your cache. You just have to know the name of the folder the
> cache is stored in. For IE6, it should be %USERPROFILE%\Local
> Settings\Temporary Internet Files\ I am, told
> Look for the name of the HTML as in the address bar.
>
> For a redirect,
> <html>
> <head>
> <title>Redirecting...</title>
> <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="2; url=http://www.new.com/new/new.htm">
> <!-- AN alternative
> <script>
> top.location.href="./xxx"
> </script>
> -->
> </head>
> <body>
> <p>This page has moved. Please click
> <a href="http://www.new.com/new/new.htm">here</a>
> if the new page doesn't appear in 2 seconds.</p>
> </body>
> </html>
>
> The parameter 2 in content=" is the number of seconds. Set it to zero for
> an immediate redirect
> --
> Cheers,
> Trevor L.
> Website: http://tandcl.homemail.com.au
>
>
>
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Old 22-06-2006, 02:07 PM   #4
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garbage text for search engines is called "stuffing" which will have the
opposite effect of getting you more hits, as search engines will penalize
you for stuffing.


"Tat" <Tat@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:788996E9-775B-4163-AD66-B3E717D8B627@microsoft.com...
| Thank you Trevor. I do appreciate the info. on the redirect. I will try
and
| paste the HTML on the necessary text page, and redirect to the actual page
I
| want viewed on my web, so hopefully all the 'garbage' text for the search
| engines won't even be seen, and the page won't take all day to load
because
| of the hidden layer method I am using now.
|
| Thank you again.
|
| "Trevor L." wrote:
|
| > Tat wrote:
| > > I have noticed on a lot of web sites that the HTML source cannot be
| > > viewed, either by using the right-click method, or the 'view source'
| > > option in the browser menu bar. Is this a feature you have to buy a
| > > program to get, or an HTML command you can place on a page? Either
| > > way, could someone tell me the program or the HTML to use? Also, can
| > > someone tell me how to use a 'redirect' command so one page
| > > automatically goes to another when the first page is selected in a
| > > search? Either one of these would be helpful, as I have a lot of
| > > pages that are just text for a search engine, and would like others
| > > to be able to simply view the final destination page rather than
| > > having to click on a link to the page. Using a hidden field is an
| > > option, but really increases the pages loading time, and I am looking
| > > for other options.
| >
| > To suppress the right-click uses a bit of JS. I am not sure how people
set
| > it up so that view source doesn't work.
| >
| > But the experts here say that regadles of these methods, you will find
the
| > HTML code in your cache. You just have to know the name of the folder
the
| > cache is stored in. For IE6, it should be %USERPROFILE%\Local
| > Settings\Temporary Internet Files\ I am, told
| > Look for the name of the HTML as in the address bar.
| >
| > For a redirect,
| > <html>
| > <head>
| > <title>Redirecting...</title>
| > <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="2;
url=http://www.new.com/new/new.htm">
| > <!-- AN alternative
| > <script>
| > top.location.href="./xxx"
| > </script>
| > -->
| > </head>
| > <body>
| > <p>This page has moved. Please click
| > <a href="http://www.new.com/new/new.htm">here</a>
| > if the new page doesn't appear in 2 seconds.</p>
| > </body>
| > </html>
| >
| > The parameter 2 in content=" is the number of seconds. Set it to zero
for
| > an immediate redirect
| > --
| > Cheers,
| > Trevor L.
| > Website: http://tandcl.homemail.com.au
| >
| >
| >
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Old 22-06-2006, 05:55 PM   #5
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Thank you for the info Rob, but that raises another question.
Some sties use a 'site map', which is basically hundreds, or even thousnads
of words liting the items they sell.
One of my pages is for auto parts, and I have about 12 suppliers for both
foreign and domestic cars.
To cover everything would take over 20,000 words, and I have reduced it to
just over 6,000.
Now for the question. If someone types in this search:
1928 Ford Model T front drop axle chrome plated with aftermarket disc brake
kit, wouldn't each of those words need to appear as text somewhere on a page
to match the search?
My goal is for someone doing the search to see whether the EXACT item they
are looking for is either available or not from one of my suppliers, and if
they click on my site from the search, an automotive home page opens rather
than have a page open with nothing but text, including the words they used in
the search.
I'm also an old hot rodder, so I have an idea of how someone like me will
enter a search. Once we finally discover the web (many of my friends still
use magazines or make phone calls all over the country), we can get pretty
specific in our searches, and get frustrated quickly when 130,000 plus
results appear, each with just a couple of words matching what we entered in
our search.
I'm new to this, and I'm building my site from the perspective of what I
want to see when I do a search, so I will appreciate all the advise and
suggestions I can get from everyone.
Thank you again, and I look forward to any and all replies.

"Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:

> garbage text for search engines is called "stuffing" which will have the
> opposite effect of getting you more hits, as search engines will penalize
> you for stuffing.
>
>
> "Tat" <Tat@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:788996E9-775B-4163-AD66-B3E717D8B627@microsoft.com...
> | Thank you Trevor. I do appreciate the info. on the redirect. I will try
> and
> | paste the HTML on the necessary text page, and redirect to the actual page
> I
> | want viewed on my web, so hopefully all the 'garbage' text for the search
> | engines won't even be seen, and the page won't take all day to load
> because
> | of the hidden layer method I am using now.
> |
> | Thank you again.
> |
> | "Trevor L." wrote:
> |
> | > Tat wrote:
> | > > I have noticed on a lot of web sites that the HTML source cannot be
> | > > viewed, either by using the right-click method, or the 'view source'
> | > > option in the browser menu bar. Is this a feature you have to buy a
> | > > program to get, or an HTML command you can place on a page? Either
> | > > way, could someone tell me the program or the HTML to use? Also, can
> | > > someone tell me how to use a 'redirect' command so one page
> | > > automatically goes to another when the first page is selected in a
> | > > search? Either one of these would be helpful, as I have a lot of
> | > > pages that are just text for a search engine, and would like others
> | > > to be able to simply view the final destination page rather than
> | > > having to click on a link to the page. Using a hidden field is an
> | > > option, but really increases the pages loading time, and I am looking
> | > > for other options.
> | >
> | > To suppress the right-click uses a bit of JS. I am not sure how people
> set
> | > it up so that view source doesn't work.
> | >
> | > But the experts here say that regadles of these methods, you will find
> the
> | > HTML code in your cache. You just have to know the name of the folder
> the
> | > cache is stored in. For IE6, it should be %USERPROFILE%\Local
> | > Settings\Temporary Internet Files\ I am, told
> | > Look for the name of the HTML as in the address bar.
> | >
> | > For a redirect,
> | > <html>
> | > <head>
> | > <title>Redirecting...</title>
> | > <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="2;
> url=http://www.new.com/new/new.htm">
> | > <!-- AN alternative
> | > <script>
> | > top.location.href="./xxx"
> | > </script>
> | > -->
> | > </head>
> | > <body>
> | > <p>This page has moved. Please click
> | > <a href="http://www.new.com/new/new.htm">here</a>
> | > if the new page doesn't appear in 2 seconds.</p>
> | > </body>
> | > </html>
> | >
> | > The parameter 2 in content=" is the number of seconds. Set it to zero
> for
> | > an immediate redirect
> | > --
> | > Cheers,
> | > Trevor L.
> | > Website: http://tandcl.homemail.com.au
> | >
> | >
> | >
>
>
>
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Old 22-06-2006, 07:34 PM   #6
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"Tat" <Tat@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:BBEC2944-C170-4C1D-962E-6C2DF28736BA@microsoft.com...
>I have noticed on a lot of web sites that the HTML source cannot be viewed,
> either by using the right-click method, or the 'view source' option in the
> browser menu bar. Is this a feature you have to buy a program to get, or
> an
> HTML command you can place on a page? Either way, could someone tell me
> the
> program or the HTML to use? Also, can someone tell me how to use a
> 'redirect' command so one page automatically goes to another when the
> first
> page is selected in a search? Either one of these would be helpful, as I
> have a lot of pages that are just text for a search engine, and would like
> others to be able to simply view the final destination page rather than
> having to click on a link to the page. Using a hidden field is an option,
> but really increases the pages loading time, and I am looking for other
> options.

It's cheap javascript or obfusication (like starting the HTML down after 400
blank lines) that doesn't work.

Only inexperienced persons are stopped by such things. Anybody that wants a
site, can get it.

(Viewing a site means downloading it, which means the user will always be
able to grab a copy if they want.)

Use watermarks on your images, or more practically stop worrying so much
about what others may do.
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Old 22-06-2006, 07:43 PM   #7
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"Tat" <Tat@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:BBEC2944-C170-4C1D-962E-6C2DF28736BA@microsoft.com...
>I have noticed on a lot of web sites that the HTML source cannot be viewed,
> either by using the right-click method, or the 'view source' option in the
> browser menu bar.

This can happen when your browser cache is full - empty it: open Internet
Explorer and click Tools > Internet Options > Delete Files


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Old 22-06-2006, 08:08 PM   #8
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Thank you for the reply.
I'm more curious than worried. As I said, I'm new to this and I am trying
to learn as much as I can. I just think the redirect and not being able to
view source is a usable function I would like to incorporate into some areas
of the site I'm building, and I want to make sure something I do, or don't
do, such as listing too much information, will help and not hurt my site.
I value everyones opinion and suggestion, as I learned long ago it is easier
to learn from other's mistakes than to make them on my own.

Thank you again for your reply.

"Funkadyleik Spynwhanker" wrote:

>
> "Tat" <Tat@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:BBEC2944-C170-4C1D-962E-6C2DF28736BA@microsoft.com...
> >I have noticed on a lot of web sites that the HTML source cannot be viewed,
> > either by using the right-click method, or the 'view source' option in the
> > browser menu bar. Is this a feature you have to buy a program to get, or
> > an
> > HTML command you can place on a page? Either way, could someone tell me
> > the
> > program or the HTML to use? Also, can someone tell me how to use a
> > 'redirect' command so one page automatically goes to another when the
> > first
> > page is selected in a search? Either one of these would be helpful, as I
> > have a lot of pages that are just text for a search engine, and would like
> > others to be able to simply view the final destination page rather than
> > having to click on a link to the page. Using a hidden field is an option,
> > but really increases the pages loading time, and I am looking for other
> > options.
>
> It's cheap javascript or obfusication (like starting the HTML down after 400
> blank lines) that doesn't work.
>
> Only inexperienced persons are stopped by such things. Anybody that wants a
> site, can get it.
>
> (Viewing a site means downloading it, which means the user will always be
> able to grab a copy if they want.)
>
> Use watermarks on your images, or more practically stop worrying so much
> about what others may do.
>
>
>
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Old 22-06-2006, 08:26 PM   #9
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Here is some additional reading material:
How do I stop people from downloading my graphics or code?

http://continue.to/hope

http://www.digitalmidget.com/help/noclick/index.php

http://www.jamesshuggins.com/h/web1...downloading.htm

http://www.jimcosoftware.com/protect.aspx
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"Tat" <Tat@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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| Thank you for the reply.
| I'm more curious than worried. As I said, I'm new to this and I am trying
| to learn as much as I can. I just think the redirect and not being able
to
| view source is a usable function I would like to incorporate into some
areas
| of the site I'm building, and I want to make sure something I do, or don't
| do, such as listing too much information, will help and not hurt my
site.
| I value everyones opinion and suggestion, as I learned long ago it is
easier
| to learn from other's mistakes than to make them on my own.
|
| Thank you again for your reply.
|
| "Funkadyleik Spynwhanker" wrote:
|
| >
| > "Tat" <Tat@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > news:BBEC2944-C170-4C1D-962E-6C2DF28736BA@microsoft.com...
| > >I have noticed on a lot of web sites that the HTML source cannot be
viewed,
| > > either by using the right-click method, or the 'view source' option in
the
| > > browser menu bar. Is this a feature you have to buy a program to get,
or
| > > an
| > > HTML command you can place on a page? Either way, could someone tell
me
| > > the
| > > program or the HTML to use? Also, can someone tell me how to use a
| > > 'redirect' command so one page automatically goes to another when the
| > > first
| > > page is selected in a search? Either one of these would be helpful,
as I
| > > have a lot of pages that are just text for a search engine, and would
like
| > > others to be able to simply view the final destination page rather
than
| > > having to click on a link to the page. Using a hidden field is an
option,
| > > but really increases the pages loading time, and I am looking for
other
| > > options.
| >
| > It's cheap javascript or obfusication (like starting the HTML down after
400
| > blank lines) that doesn't work.
| >
| > Only inexperienced persons are stopped by such things. Anybody that
wants a
| > site, can get it.
| >
| > (Viewing a site means downloading it, which means the user will always
be
| > able to grab a copy if they want.)
| >
| > Use watermarks on your images, or more practically stop worrying so much
| > about what others may do.
| >
| >
| >
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Old 22-06-2006, 08:38 PM   #10
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To Tom & Kathleen

Thank you both very much for the information you provided. I greatly
appreciate it, and all the positive feedback I have been getting thus far.
Even the negative feedback I have read in past posts from others has been
helpful when applied in the proper context, and I value everything people
have been telling me, and everyone else that have questions.

Thank you both again.

"Kathleen Anderson [MVP - FrontPage]" wrote:

> "Tat" <Tat@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:BBEC2944-C170-4C1D-962E-6C2DF28736BA@microsoft.com...
> >I have noticed on a lot of web sites that the HTML source cannot be viewed,
> > either by using the right-click method, or the 'view source' option in the
> > browser menu bar.
>
> This can happen when your browser cache is full - empty it: open Internet
> Explorer and click Tools > Internet Options > Delete Files
>
>
> --
>
> ~ Kathleen Anderson
> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
> Spider Web Woman Designs
> web: http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
> FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>
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