F-Prot & WinXP Home multiple User problems

I just built a new PC for some friends using WinXP Home SP2.

I created 3 Users and ran all of the appropriate Windows Updates before
installing F-Prot for Windows 3.16F.

The problem I'm having is F-Prot's Real Time Scanner and Updater don't
load for all of the users.

I can go into F-Prot and click on Real Time Scanner and it will load
along with Updater when I reboot into that user but they turn off in the
other 2 Users.

I ended up setting up Administrator but it's only accessible in Safe
Mode. Do I need to reinstall F-Prot using the Administrator account or
what?

Any ideas?

On 20.03.06 02:51:48 "* * Chas" <dnafutz@aol.spam.com> wrote:
>
>I just built a new PC for some friends using WinXP Home SP2.
>
>I created 3 Users and ran all of the appropriate Windows Updates before
>installing F-Prot for Windows 3.16F.
>
>The problem I'm having is F-Prot's Real Time Scanner and Updater don't
>load for all of the users.
>
>I can go into F-Prot and click on Real Time Scanner and it will load
>along with Updater when I reboot into that user but they turn off in the
>other 2 Users.
>
>I ended up setting up Administrator but it's only accessible in Safe
>Mode. Do I need to reinstall F-Prot using the Administrator account or
>what?

Start here

http://www.f-prot.com/support/windows/fpwin_faq/02.html

and then go to

http://www.f-prot.com/support/windows/fpwin_faq/73.html

Vito

"Vito Corti" <vcorti@postaccesslite.com> wrote in message
news:441e5479$1_1@news.tiscalinet.ch...
> On 20.03.06 02:51:48 "* * Chas" <dnafutz@aol.spam.com> wrote:
> >
> >I just built a new PC for some friends using WinXP Home SP2.
> >
> >I created 3 Users and ran all of the appropriate Windows Updates
before
> >installing F-Prot for Windows 3.16F.
> >
> >The problem I'm having is F-Prot's Real Time Scanner and Updater
don't
> >load for all of the users.
> >
> >I can go into F-Prot and click on Real Time Scanner and it will load
> >along with Updater when I reboot into that user but they turn off in
the
> >other 2 Users.
> >
> >I ended up setting up Administrator but it's only accessible in Safe
> >Mode. Do I need to reinstall F-Prot using the Administrator account
or
> >what?
>
> Start here
>
> http://www.f-prot.com/support/windows/fpwin_faq/02.html
>
> and then go to
>
> http://www.f-prot.com/support/windows/fpwin_faq/73.html
>
> Vito

Thanks for the response. I been installing and using F-Prot DOS &
Windows for 5 or 6 years. I checked F-Prot's FAQ first before posting
here. There's no problem installing or updating. I tried to send F-Prot
a message but I don't know if it went through.

I reinstalled from Safe Mode - no change. I uninstalled F-Prot, DL
another copy of F-Prot Windows from F-Prot's web site and reinstalled it
in Safe Mode.

What happens now is that FPAVUPDM.EXE and F-STOPW.EXE load for each user
and work when I first boot the system but they shut down when I Log Off
and Switch Users. All 3 users are set up as Administrators while I'm
configuring the system.

Chas.

On 20.03.06 10:15:48 "* * Chas" <dnafutz@aol.spam.com> wrote:
>
>
>"Vito Corti" <vcorti@postaccesslite.com> wrote in message
>news:441e5479$1_1@news.tiscalinet.ch...
>> On 20.03.06 02:51:48 "* * Chas" <dnafutz@aol.spam.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >I just built a new PC for some friends using WinXP Home SP2.
>> >
>> >I created 3 Users and ran all of the appropriate Windows Updates
>before
>> >installing F-Prot for Windows 3.16F.
>> >
>> >The problem I'm having is F-Prot's Real Time Scanner and Updater
>don't
>> >load for all of the users.
>> >
>> >I can go into F-Prot and click on Real Time Scanner and it will load
>> >along with Updater when I reboot into that user but they turn off in
>the
>> >other 2 Users.
>> >
>> >I ended up setting up Administrator but it's only accessible in Safe
>> >Mode. Do I need to reinstall F-Prot using the Administrator account
>or
>> >what?
>>
>> Start here
>>
>> http://www.f-prot.com/support/windows/fpwin_faq/02.html
>>
>> and then go to
>>
>> http://www.f-prot.com/support/windows/fpwin_faq/73.html
>>
>> Vito
>
>Thanks for the response. I been installing and using F-Prot DOS &
>Windows for 5 or 6 years. I checked F-Prot's FAQ first before posting
>here. There's no problem installing or updating. I tried to send F-Prot
>a message but I don't know if it went through.
>
>I reinstalled from Safe Mode - no change. I uninstalled F-Prot, DL
>another copy of F-Prot Windows from F-Prot's web site and reinstalled it
>in Safe Mode.

I simply installed it as an administrator, never used (or had to use) Safe
Mode. (Just in case it matters: I'm using XP Professional.) Then I set file
access permissions as per F-Prot's instructions.

>What happens now is that FPAVUPDM.EXE and F-STOPW.EXE load for each user
>and work when I first boot the system but they shut down when I Log Off
>and Switch Users. All 3 users are set up as Administrators while I'm
>configuring the system.

I have an administration account and two restricted user accounts. If I
select "log off" and then _switch_ to another account, FPAVUPDM.EXE and
F-STOPW.EXE are not running, as you describe. But if I select "log off",
then log out and log in to a different account, everything is running fine,
i.e. FPAVUPDM.EXE and F-STOPW.EXE are active.

Vito

"* * Chas" <dnafutz@aol.spam.com> wrote:
> "Vito Corti" <vcorti@postaccesslite.com> wrote in message
> news:441e5479$1_1@news.tiscalinet.ch...
> > On 20.03.06 02:51:48 "* * Chas" <dnafutz@aol.spam.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >I just built a new PC for some friends using WinXP Home SP2.
> > >
> > >I created 3 Users and ran all of the appropriate Windows Updates
> before
> > >installing F-Prot for Windows 3.16F.
> > >
> > >The problem I'm having is F-Prot's Real Time Scanner and Updater
> don't
> > >load for all of the users.
> > >
> > >I can go into F-Prot and click on Real Time Scanner and it will load
> > >along with Updater when I reboot into that user but they turn off in
> the
> > >other 2 Users.
> > >
> > >I ended up setting up Administrator but it's only accessible in Safe
> > >Mode. Do I need to reinstall F-Prot using the Administrator account
> or
> > >what?
> >
> > Start here
> >
> > http://www.f-prot.com/support/windows/fpwin_faq/02.html
> >
> > and then go to
> >
> > http://www.f-prot.com/support/windows/fpwin_faq/73.html
> >
> > Vito
>
> Thanks for the response. I been installing and using F-Prot DOS &
> Windows for 5 or 6 years. I checked F-Prot's FAQ first before posting
> here. There's no problem installing or updating. I tried to send F-Prot
> a message but I don't know if it went through.
>
> I reinstalled from Safe Mode - no change. I uninstalled F-Prot, DL
> another copy of F-Prot Windows from F-Prot's web site and reinstalled it
> in Safe Mode.
>
> What happens now is that FPAVUPDM.EXE and F-STOPW.EXE load for each user
> and work when I first boot the system but they shut down when I Log Off
> and Switch Users. All 3 users are set up as Administrators while I'm
> configuring the system.

It's a well known issue and the problem is with the XP "fast" user switching.

Open User Accounts from the XP control panel, go to "change the way users log on
or off" and clear the box to use fast user switching. This should resolve the
problem, and users switching will now be done the old way, that is by logging
off the current user before logging in the new one.

Regards, Zvi
--
NetZ Computing Ltd. ISRAEL www.invircible.com www.ivi.co.il (Hebrew)
InVircible Virus Defense Solutions, ResQ and Data Recovery Utilities

"Vito Corti" <vcorti@postaccesslite.com> wrote in message
news:441eab3f$1_2@news.tiscalinet.ch...
> On 20.03.06 10:15:48 "* * Chas" <dnafutz@aol.spam.com> wrote:
> >> >I just built a new PC for some friends using WinXP Home SP2.
> >> >I created 3 Users and ran all of the appropriate Windows Updates
> >> > before installing F-Prot for Windows 3.16F.
<snip>
> I have an administration account and two restricted user accounts. If
I
> select "log off" and then _switch_ to another account, FPAVUPDM.EXE
and
> F-STOPW.EXE are not running, as you describe. But if I select "log
off",
> then log out and log in to a different account, everything is running
fine,
> i.e. FPAVUPDM.EXE and F-STOPW.EXE are active.
>
> Vito

Yes, that's exactly what's happening. In the next post Zvi has
instructions to eliminate the problem.... Thanks

Chas.

"Zvi Netiv" <support@replace_with_domain.com> wrote in message
news:ec4t121kttujva758to8e1e95jphfmc5fe@4ax.com...
<snip>
> > > On 20.03.06 02:51:48 "* * Chas" <dnafutz@aol.spam.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >I just built a new PC for some friends using WinXP Home SP2.
> > > >
> > > >I created 3 Users and ran all of the appropriate Windows Updates
> > > >before installing F-Prot for Windows 3.16F.
<snip>
> > What happens now is that FPAVUPDM.EXE and F-STOPW.EXE load for each
user
> > and work when I first boot the system but they shut down when I Log
Off
> > and Switch Users. All 3 users are set up as Administrators while I'm
> > configuring the system.
>
> It's a well known issue and the problem is with the XP "fast" user
switching.
>
> Open User Accounts from the XP control panel, go to "change the way
users log on
> or off" and clear the box to use fast user switching. This should
resolve the
> problem, and users switching will now be done the old way, that is by
logging
> off the current user before logging in the new one.
>
> Regards, Zvi

Thanks Zvi. I've been following your posts since the old CServe AV
Forum. This is the first time I've set up a multi user PC and the first
time (and last) I've used XP Home.

Fast user switching without AV protection - so much for the highly
touted XP security!

I'll make the changes and take away Administrator privileges as soon as
I finish install some more software and fine tuning the system.

Chas.

"* * Chas" <dnafutz@aol.spam.com> wrote:
> "Zvi Netiv" <support@replace_with_domain.com> wrote in message
> news:ec4t121kttujva758to8e1e95jphfmc5fe@4ax.com...

> <snip>
> > > > On 20.03.06 02:51:48 "* * Chas" <dnafutz@aol.spam.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >I just built a new PC for some friends using WinXP Home SP2.
> > > > >
> > > > >I created 3 Users and ran all of the appropriate Windows Updates
> > > > >before installing F-Prot for Windows 3.16F.

> <snip>
> > > What happens now is that FPAVUPDM.EXE and F-STOPW.EXE load for each user
> > > and work when I first boot the system but they shut down when I Log Off
> > > and Switch Users. All 3 users are set up as Administrators while I'm
> > > configuring the system.
> >
> > It's a well known issue and the problem is with the XP "fast" user switching.
> >
> > Open User Accounts from the XP control panel, go to "change the way users log on
> > or off" and clear the box to use fast user switching. This should resolve the
> > problem, and users switching will now be done the old way, that is by logging
> > off the current user before logging in the new one.

> Thanks Zvi. I've been following your posts since the old CServe AV
> Forum.

Wow! It's twelve years since!

> This is the first time I've set up a multi user PC and the first
> time (and last) I've used XP Home.
>
> Fast user switching without AV protection - so much for the highly
> touted XP security!

IMO, XP's fast user switching, as well as "system restore" and some of the SP2
security center features, are half baked. The problem experienced haunts quite
a few real-time AV when running under XP. The cause is the way these
applications hook the file system and their need to be exclusive when they kick
in. Users fast switching doesn't reinitialize all user dependent services and
some of these services are still assigned to the previous user when switching in
fast mode.

The fact that XP offers all sorts of features doesn't imply that you must use
them all. ;-) Like a car capable of speeding to 140 MPH ...

Cheers, Zvi

> I'll make the changes and take away Administrator privileges as soon as
> I finish install some more software and fine tuning the system.
>
> Chas
--
NetZ Computing Ltd. ISRAEL www.invircible.com www.ivi.co.il (Hebrew)
InVircible Virus Defense Solutions, ResQ and Data Recovery Utilities

"Zvi Netiv" <support@replace_with_domain.com> wrote in message
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> "* * Chas" <dnafutz@aol.spam.com> wrote:
> > "Zvi Netiv" <support@replace_with_domain.com> wrote in message
> > news:ec4t121kttujva758to8e1e95jphfmc5fe@4ax.com...
<snip>
> > > > > On 20.03.06 02:51:48 "* * Chas" <dnafutz@aol.spam.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I just built a new PC for some friends using WinXP Home SP2.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I created 3 Users and ran all of the appropriate Windows
Updates
> > > > > >before installing F-Prot for Windows 3.16F.
<snip>
> > Thanks Zvi. I've been following your posts since the old CServe AV
> > Forum.
>
> Wow! It's twelve years since!
>
> > This is the first time I've set up a multi user PC and the first
> > time (and last) I've used XP Home.
> >
> > Fast user switching without AV protection - so much for the highly
> > touted XP security!
>
> IMO, XP's fast user switching, as well as "system restore" and some of
the SP2
> security center features, are half baked. The problem experienced
haunts quite
> a few real-time AV when running under XP. The cause is the way these
> applications hook the file system and their need to be exclusive when
they kick
> in. Users fast switching doesn't reinitialize all user dependent
services and
> some of these services are still assigned to the previous user when
switching in
> fast mode.
>
> The fact that XP offers all sorts of features doesn't imply that you
must use
> them all. ;-) Like a car capable of speeding to 140 MPH ...
>
> Cheers, Zvi

I practice Safe Hex and use fine tuned Win98SE systems most of the time.
When I do encounter a problem with 98 I can easily fix it where it can
take hours or even days to repair an NT system.

I have XP Pro on several laptops for wireless compatibility and I run
Win2k on my engineering PC for software compatibility.

Chas.