Adding captions

I'd appreciate hearing how others would tackle the following simple
exercise please. I've finally got around after some 6 months to
publishing photos of my 2005 Thames Path walk on my home pages:
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/terryp...alkphotos05.htm
(Links to the two previous years' walks are also included.)

As you see, the layout is basic layout and so is the presentation
method: each captioned thumbnail takes you to an individual enlarged
photo (about 640 x 420, made by resizing the edited originals). But
that loses the captions, and I'd like them included.

I've experimented before with adding captions within the photo itself,
but don't really like the result, which can spoil the composition.

So I'm now considering making new images, say about 640 x 440, with
the caption in the added white space below the photo.

(As an aside, anyone have any ideas on fast/automated ways of
achieving that? Doing it manually for each image will be tedious.
Given that the text already exists under the thumbnails, it should be
possible somehow to automate it...)

But what other approaches would others recommend please?

--
Terry, West Sussex, UK

One way is to use JAlbum. It's free and highly "skinable" and can be
incorporated into a FP web quite easily. However, adding new images to an
already completed album is awkward. But JAlbum is something you should
definitely look at.

Or you could do your image index page the way you are, but instead of
letting FP generate the enlarged image pages on the fly (actually they're
not real pages - thats why you have no control of how it looks) - rather,
you could create separate pages that your thumbs link to.

Or look for a database solution geared towards displaying photos with
captions and exif info. There are lots around - this will also depend on
what your host supports; ASP/Access/MSsql or PHP/MySql. FIRST, check with
your host sometimes they have offerings. I know my host offers a package for
only 50-100 bucks (flat fee) and they'd install it on the server for me.


"Terry Pinnell" <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote in message
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| I'd appreciate hearing how others would tackle the following simple
| exercise please. I've finally got around after some 6 months to
| publishing photos of my 2005 Thames Path walk on my home pages:
| http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/terryp...alkphotos05.htm
| (Links to the two previous years' walks are also included.)
|
| As you see, the layout is basic layout and so is the presentation
| method: each captioned thumbnail takes you to an individual enlarged
| photo (about 640 x 420, made by resizing the edited originals). But
| that loses the captions, and I'd like them included.
|
| I've experimented before with adding captions within the photo itself,
| but don't really like the result, which can spoil the composition.
|
| So I'm now considering making new images, say about 640 x 440, with
| the caption in the added white space below the photo.
|
| (As an aside, anyone have any ideas on fast/automated ways of
| achieving that? Doing it manually for each image will be tedious.
| Given that the text already exists under the thumbnails, it should be
| possible somehow to automate it...)
|
| But what other approaches would others recommend please?
|
| --
| Terry, West Sussex, UK

pipex.net does not support databases or custom server side scripting -
except for those limited scripts they provide. Unfortunately, the
database supplied by Pipex is not suitable for this application.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/

"Rob Giordano (Crash)" <webmaster@siriussystems.invalid> wrote in
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> One way is to use JAlbum. It's free and highly "skinable" and can be
> incorporated into a FP web quite easily. However, adding new images
> to an
> already completed album is awkward. But JAlbum is something you
> should
> definitely look at.
>
> Or you could do your image index page the way you are, but instead
> of
> letting FP generate the enlarged image pages on the fly (actually
> they're
> not real pages - thats why you have no control of how it looks) -
> rather,
> you could create separate pages that your thumbs link to.
>
> Or look for a database solution geared towards displaying photos
> with
> captions and exif info. There are lots around - this will also
> depend on
> what your host supports; ASP/Access/MSsql or PHP/MySql. FIRST, check
> with
> your host sometimes they have offerings. I know my host offers a
> package for
> only 50-100 bucks (flat fee) and they'd install it on the server for
> me.
>
>
> "Terry Pinnell" <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote in
> message
> news:40kt02d9q77itn0ip313673vj4g38juiuq@4ax.com...
> | I'd appreciate hearing how others would tackle the following
> simple
> | exercise please. I've finally got around after some 6 months to
> | publishing photos of my 2005 Thames Path walk on my home pages:
> | http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/terryp...alkphotos05.htm
> | (Links to the two previous years' walks are also included.)
> |
> | As you see, the layout is basic layout and so is the presentation
> | method: each captioned thumbnail takes you to an individual
> enlarged
> | photo (about 640 x 420, made by resizing the edited originals).
> But
> | that loses the captions, and I'd like them included.
> |
> | I've experimented before with adding captions within the photo
> itself,
> | but don't really like the result, which can spoil the composition.
> |
> | So I'm now considering making new images, say about 640 x 440,
> with
> | the caption in the added white space below the photo.
> |
> | (As an aside, anyone have any ideas on fast/automated ways of
> | achieving that? Doing it manually for each image will be tedious.
> | Given that the text already exists under the thumbnails, it should
> be
> | possible somehow to automate it...)
> |
> | But what other approaches would others recommend please?
> |
> | --
> | Terry, West Sussex, UK
>
>

Nice bridge pix btw. I love bridges.


"Terry Pinnell" <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:40kt02d9q77itn0ip313673vj4g38juiuq@4ax.com...
| I'd appreciate hearing how others would tackle the following simple
| exercise please. I've finally got around after some 6 months to
| publishing photos of my 2005 Thames Path walk on my home pages:
| http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/terryp...alkphotos05.htm
| (Links to the two previous years' walks are also included.)
|
| As you see, the layout is basic layout and so is the presentation
| method: each captioned thumbnail takes you to an individual enlarged
| photo (about 640 x 420, made by resizing the edited originals). But
| that loses the captions, and I'd like them included.
|
| I've experimented before with adding captions within the photo itself,
| but don't really like the result, which can spoil the composition.
|
| So I'm now considering making new images, say about 640 x 440, with
| the caption in the added white space below the photo.
|
| (As an aside, anyone have any ideas on fast/automated ways of
| achieving that? Doing it manually for each image will be tedious.
| Given that the text already exists under the thumbnails, it should be
| possible somehow to automate it...)
|
| But what other approaches would others recommend please?
|
| --
| Terry, West Sussex, UK

Wonderful photos! I certainly don't think it is necessary to have the
captions with the larger image. An article to help you:
http://www.eleanorstravels.com/gall...siderations.htm
Or you can make a nice separate page for each of the larger images. Once you
made it, with a space for the caption, you can save it over and over again
with a new name such as leavingreading.htm, sonninglock.htm,
soningbridge.htm etc. Notice there are no spaces in the page name.
Example of JAlbum:
http://www.silvermoonartglass.com/D...onal/index.html
Eleanor

"Terry Pinnell" <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:40kt02d9q77itn0ip313673vj4g38juiuq@4ax.com...
> I'd appreciate hearing how others would tackle the following simple
> exercise please. I've finally got around after some 6 months to
> publishing photos of my 2005 Thames Path walk on my home pages:
> http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/terryp...alkphotos05.htm
> (Links to the two previous years' walks are also included.)
>
> As you see, the layout is basic layout and so is the presentation
> method: each captioned thumbnail takes you to an individual enlarged
> photo (about 640 x 420, made by resizing the edited originals). But
> that loses the captions, and I'd like them included.
>
> I've experimented before with adding captions within the photo itself,
> but don't really like the result, which can spoil the composition.
>
> So I'm now considering making new images, say about 640 x 440, with
> the caption in the added white space below the photo.
>
> (As an aside, anyone have any ideas on fast/automated ways of
> achieving that? Doing it manually for each image will be tedious.
> Given that the text already exists under the thumbnails, it should be
> possible somehow to automate it...)
>
> But what other approaches would others recommend please?
>
> --
> Terry, West Sussex, UK

"E. T. Culling" <etcetc@notatcrcwnet.com> wrote:

>Wonderful photos! I certainly don't think it is necessary to have the
>captions with the larger image. An article to help you:
>http://www.eleanorstravels.com/gall...siderations.htm
>Or you can make a nice separate page for each of the larger images. Once you
>made it, with a space for the caption, you can save it over and over again
>with a new name such as leavingreading.htm, sonninglock.htm,
>soningbridge.htm etc. Notice there are no spaces in the page name.
>Example of JAlbum:
>http://www.silvermoonartglass.com/D...onal/index.html

Thanks for all those helpful replies. Will take another look at
JAlbum.

Rob: I don't let "FP generate the enlarged image pages" but do it the
way you mentioned.

Impatience got the better of me! So for several hours I've been
slogging through it manually. Not really too bad, using as many
shortcuts as I can. FWIW, key steps are:

Setup:
a. Have web page open, so that thumbnail captions can be copied.
b. Make new folder to contain captioned images

For each enlarged image, using IrfanView:
1. Open image

2. Image > Canvas Size > Add white border of 20 px at bottom.
(I wrote a little 'macro' with an external power utility I have,
called Stiletto, to enter the half dozen keystrokes that part actually
takes. That helps a lot.)

3. Draw a rectangle to hold the text.
(Unfortunately there's no key-based way of doing that. And even if
there was, the positioning varies slightly as each image is a slightly
different size. So this is the most tedious bit of the procedure.)

4. Add the text, mainly using Copy/Paste from the thumbnail caption.
The font size and style only needed setting once.

5. Save that new file, with old name plus suffix '+cap' to the new
folder.

6. Close the image and proceed to the next one.

Have now republished 2004

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/terryp...alkphotos04.htm

and hope to finish 2003 and 2005 soon.

--
Terry, West Sussex, UK

But the large version is still in the top left and the viewer still has to
use the back button.
I'd like to suggest again that you make a Larger-Page-Template page with a
table in it ...one cell for for the large photo and another, below it, for
the caption. Then have a link back to the 'gallery page'.
Eleanor
"Terry Pinnell" <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote in message
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> "E. T. Culling" <etcetc@notatcrcwnet.com> wrote:
>
>>Wonderful photos! I certainly don't think it is necessary to have the
>>captions with the larger image. An article to help you:
>>http://www.eleanorstravels.com/gall...siderations.htm
>>Or you can make a nice separate page for each of the larger images. Once
>>you
>>made it, with a space for the caption, you can save it over and over again
>>with a new name such as leavingreading.htm, sonninglock.htm,
>>soningbridge.htm etc. Notice there are no spaces in the page name.
>>Example of JAlbum:
>>http://www.silvermoonartglass.com/D...onal/index.html
>
> Thanks for all those helpful replies. Will take another look at
> JAlbum.
>
> Rob: I don't let "FP generate the enlarged image pages" but do it the
> way you mentioned.
>
> Impatience got the better of me! So for several hours I've been
> slogging through it manually. Not really too bad, using as many
> shortcuts as I can. FWIW, key steps are:
>
> Setup:
> a. Have web page open, so that thumbnail captions can be copied.
> b. Make new folder to contain captioned images
>
> For each enlarged image, using IrfanView:
> 1. Open image
>
> 2. Image > Canvas Size > Add white border of 20 px at bottom.
> (I wrote a little 'macro' with an external power utility I have,
> called Stiletto, to enter the half dozen keystrokes that part actually
> takes. That helps a lot.)
>
> 3. Draw a rectangle to hold the text.
> (Unfortunately there's no key-based way of doing that. And even if
> there was, the positioning varies slightly as each image is a slightly
> different size. So this is the most tedious bit of the procedure.)
>
> 4. Add the text, mainly using Copy/Paste from the thumbnail caption.
> The font size and style only needed setting once.
>
> 5. Save that new file, with old name plus suffix '+cap' to the new
> folder.
>
> 6. Close the image and proceed to the next one.
>
> Have now republished 2004
>
> http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/terryp...alkphotos04.htm
>
> and hope to finish 2003 and 2005 soon.
>
> --
> Terry, West Sussex, UK
>
>

Here's an idea:
http://www.coffeecup.com/photo-gallery/
Eleanor
"Terry Pinnell" <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:40kt02d9q77itn0ip313673vj4g38juiuq@4ax.com...
> I'd appreciate hearing how others would tackle the following simple
> exercise please. I've finally got around after some 6 months to
> publishing photos of my 2005 Thames Path walk on my home pages:
> http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/terryp...alkphotos05.htm
> (Links to the two previous years' walks are also included.)
>
> As you see, the layout is basic layout and so is the presentation
> method: each captioned thumbnail takes you to an individual enlarged
> photo (about 640 x 420, made by resizing the edited originals). But
> that loses the captions, and I'd like them included.
>
> I've experimented before with adding captions within the photo itself,
> but don't really like the result, which can spoil the composition.
>
> So I'm now considering making new images, say about 640 x 440, with
> the caption in the added white space below the photo.
>
> (As an aside, anyone have any ideas on fast/automated ways of
> achieving that? Doing it manually for each image will be tedious.
> Given that the text already exists under the thumbnails, it should be
> possible somehow to automate it...)
>
> But what other approaches would others recommend please?
>
> --
> Terry, West Sussex, UK

Terry Pinnell wrote:
> But what other approaches would others recommend please?

Terry,
First, let me say that your photos are great and well presented.

I have read the responses, including those from the guru (ETC)

I personally would not spend my time adding the caption to each picture.
Sure it can be done, but another way may be to add the caption as the title
to the image, or underneath it (which needs a new page for every image, or
at least one page into which each image is loaded).

Go to my site (below) | Picture Album | Personal Photo Gallery (Click to
Enter)
Click on any photo. You will see that the caption is in the title.

I only typed it once. It appears in the Personal Photo Gallery as a caption,
in the title of each photo when expanded, and when a slideshow is used (one
of the slideshow buttons).

Some of these ways are fairly straightforward, some involve a bit of JS
coding. Let me know if you are interested in any of these.

May I also give a plug (unsolicited) to a great UK website
http://fotopic.net

They supply 250Mb of space for free. We (my wife and I) have put many
(1000's) of photos up there, and are nearly reaching our 250MB allocation
after a couple of years. Extra space doesn't cost a lot- we'll get some soon
:-))

If you want to look at some of our examples, see here
Fotopic Websites
Trevor's Personal: http://trevor.lawrence.fotopic.net
Trevor's Scenery: http://trevor.lawrence-2.fotopic.net
Trevor's Nature: http://trevor.lawrence-3.fotopic.net
Carole's Bus and Coach Photos: http://carole.lawrence.fotopic.net
Carole's Other Transport Photos: http://carole.lawrence-2.fotopic.net

I think the fotopic site started as a hobby, but has now expanded to serve
people all over the world. (We are in Australia, for example). They support
it by advertising and by selling extra services.
--
Cheers,
Trevor L.
Website: http://tandcl.homemail.com.au

Thanks, Trev, you made my day!
ETC
www.eleanorstravels.com

"Trevor L." <Trevor L.@Canberra> wrote in message
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> Terry Pinnell wrote:
>> But what other approaches would others recommend please?
>
> Terry,
> First, let me say that your photos are great and well presented.
>
> I have read the responses, including those from the guru (ETC)
>
> I personally would not spend my time adding the caption to each picture.
> Sure it can be done, but another way may be to add the caption as the
> title to the image, or underneath it (which needs a new page for every
> image, or at least one page into which each image is loaded).
>
> Go to my site (below) | Picture Album | Personal Photo Gallery (Click to
> Enter)
> Click on any photo. You will see that the caption is in the title.
>
> I only typed it once. It appears in the Personal Photo Gallery as a
> caption, in the title of each photo when expanded, and when a slideshow is
> used (one of the slideshow buttons).
>
> Some of these ways are fairly straightforward, some involve a bit of JS
> coding. Let me know if you are interested in any of these.
>
> May I also give a plug (unsolicited) to a great UK website
> http://fotopic.net
>
> They supply 250Mb of space for free. We (my wife and I) have put many
> (1000's) of photos up there, and are nearly reaching our 250MB allocation
> after a couple of years. Extra space doesn't cost a lot- we'll get some
> soon :-))
>
> If you want to look at some of our examples, see here
> Fotopic Websites
> Trevor's Personal: http://trevor.lawrence.fotopic.net
> Trevor's Scenery: http://trevor.lawrence-2.fotopic.net
> Trevor's Nature: http://trevor.lawrence-3.fotopic.net
> Carole's Bus and Coach Photos: http://carole.lawrence.fotopic.net
> Carole's Other Transport Photos: http://carole.lawrence-2.fotopic.net
>
> I think the fotopic site started as a hobby, but has now expanded to serve
> people all over the world. (We are in Australia, for example). They
> support it by advertising and by selling extra services.
> --
> Cheers,
> Trevor L.
> Website: http://tandcl.homemail.com.au
>