I digress

My questions are often answered by one person who has a working fix I
don't really understand. Before I do understand it someone else gives a
very different fix. Both work and both are different from the approach
I was taking, which, in some cases only has a minor flaw I find days
later that prevents it from working as I wanted.

This leaves me wondering whether it's all just a matter of preference
and I, just like everyone else have my own different way. I know it's
hard to read another persons code and it's easy to start off by saying
"that isn't how I would do it"--usually stated "that isn't how it should
be done". But then again it might be my way really is crap and everyone
else has a different and very valid approach. I'm trying to keep an
open mind because .net is still new to me and I'm used to knowing the
language I program in quite throughly.

Thankfully some folks like Armin don't mind a little back and forth
typing discussion. But inevitably someone seems offended because I'm
getting some discussion time and posts something insinuating I'm an
idiot. Thankfully I have thick skin.

But hey, maybe this isn't the best place for me to seek assistance. You
see I'm only here because my company paid good money for the programmers
here to have msdn subscriptions. Beyond those DVDs (which it seems I'm
the only programmer who actually opens the boxes) all I can see I get is
the ability to post in these forums. But I now believe anyone can post
here. Is there some special help a msdn subscription should be giving
me that I'm unaware of?????

"cj" <cj@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
news:etR1NgAKGHA.3260@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> My questions are often answered by one person who has a working fix I
> don't really understand. Before I do understand it someone else gives a
> very different fix. Both work and both are different from the approach I
> was taking, which, in some cases only has a minor flaw I find days later
> that prevents it from working as I wanted.
>
> This leaves me wondering whether it's all just a matter of preference and
> I, just like everyone else have my own different way. I know it's hard to
> read another persons code and it's easy to start off by saying "that isn't
> how I would do it"--usually stated "that isn't how it should be done".
> But then again it might be my way really is crap and everyone else has a
> different and very valid approach. I'm trying to keep an open mind
> because .net is still new to me and I'm used to knowing the language I
> program in quite throughly.
>
> Thankfully some folks like Armin don't mind a little back and forth typing
> discussion. But inevitably someone seems offended because I'm getting
> some discussion time and posts something insinuating I'm an idiot.
> Thankfully I have thick skin.
>
> But hey, maybe this isn't the best place for me to seek assistance. You
> see I'm only here because my company paid good money for the programmers
> here to have msdn subscriptions. Beyond those DVDs (which it seems I'm
> the only programmer who actually opens the boxes) all I can see I get is
> the ability to post in these forums. But I now believe anyone can post
> here. Is there some special help a msdn subscription should be giving me
> that I'm unaware of?????

Well... these groups don't require that you have an MSDN subscription.... at
all. Anyone with a keyboard in their hands and access to the internet can
post questions/answers here... or in any other newsgroup on the MS server
(afaik)

Since it's a community, it's guaranteed that there are a few you won't get
along with and a few that think they're god's gift to the PC.

Personally, I'm considered a very "easy going" person and even I get ticked
when reading the responses some people give. Quite a bit of the time, it's
because the person answering is "trying to be funny" or something but the
look on their face as they type doesn't make it's way down the wires and
into the groups... once it gets here, it looks like an insult and the battle
rages on. I've been guilty of this myself. "Looked hilarious when I typed
it".

If you're using VS2005, it's a bit harder since everything's brand new and
there just aren't that many people yet that have extensive experience with
it. For all previous versions of dotNet, you'll be far happier and better
off if you search Google's Advanced Group Search before posting here. Don't
confuse that with Google. You'll surely get different results searching the
two. Here's a slightly modified version of the link I use to start searching
the groups....

Advanced Search
http://groups.google.com.my/advance...=2006&safe=off&

If you're running VS(insert anything but the latest here).Net, search the
groups. "Brand new, never asked before" questions about existing products
are very rare.

So.... keep your thick skin handy, block senders that you don't get along
with and keep posting questions.

--
Ken Halter - MS-MVP-VB (visiting from VB6 world) - http://www.vbsight.com
Please keep all discussions in the groups..

Hello CJ


There is not always just one right answer

To some questions, there is only one right answer. But some questions may
have many correct answers.

The aproach that should be chosen differs from manny variabels ,,,, Only you
the TS knows why he / she choose a certain aproach
so provide enough information and it should also be clear to the person who
is answering .

> But inevitably someone seems offended because I'm getting some discussion
> time and posts something insinuating I'm an idiot. Thankfully I have
> thick skin.

Don`t bother about this ,,,, it is there problem not yours !

> But hey, maybe this isn't the best place for me to seek assistance. You
> see I'm only here because my company paid good money for the programmers
> here to have msdn subscriptions. Beyond those DVDs (which it seems I'm
> the only programmer who actually opens the boxes) all I can see I get is
> the ability to post in these forums.

Well this should be the place for you to seek assistance , as we are all
here to help and learn from each other, and indeed these forums are public

> Is there some special help a msdn subscription should be giving
> me that I'm unaware of?????


With a MSDN subscription you have the ability to ask for Technical support

Login to your MSDN account and click the support incident link
there you see how manny time you can use this option with your subscription
( i have 4 with my universall account ) also the telephone numbers wich
differ by country are mentioned here

However i would say use them sparingly ,,,,,, as you only have so few of
them and it is pretty expensive to get support once these are used

I have never used one of these calls ,,, as the MSDN library , the self
paced training kits , and these newsgroups have provided me the answers i
needed

P.s.

don`t be afraid to try something new ! ,, maybe you are just using
functionality that no one uses , or you encounter a problem because you are
a inovator and others are not


Regards

Michel Posseth [MCP]


"cj" <cj@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
news:etR1NgAKGHA.3260@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> My questions are often answered by one person who has a working fix I
> don't really understand. Before I do understand it someone else gives a
> very different fix. Both work and both are different from the approach I
> was taking, which, in some cases only has a minor flaw I find days later
> that prevents it from working as I wanted.
>
> This leaves me wondering whether it's all just a matter of preference and
> I, just like everyone else have my own different way. I know it's hard to
> read another persons code and it's easy to start off by saying "that isn't
> how I would do it"--usually stated "that isn't how it should be done".
> But then again it might be my way really is crap and everyone else has a
> different and very valid approach. I'm trying to keep an open mind
> because .net is still new to me and I'm used to knowing the language I
> program in quite throughly.
>
> Thankfully some folks like Armin don't mind a little back and forth typing
> discussion. But inevitably someone seems offended because I'm getting
> some discussion time and posts something insinuating I'm an idiot.
> Thankfully I have thick skin.
>
> But hey, maybe this isn't the best place for me to seek assistance. You
> see I'm only here because my company paid good money for the programmers
> here to have msdn subscriptions. Beyond those DVDs (which it seems I'm
> the only programmer who actually opens the boxes) all I can see I get is
> the ability to post in these forums. But I now believe anyone can post
> here. Is there some special help a msdn subscription should be giving me
> that I'm unaware of?????

"m.posseth" <michelp@nohausystems.nl> wrote in message
news:%23XwDE$AKGHA.648@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Hello CJ
>
>
> There is not always just one right answer
>
Yes there is, mine.

> To some questions, there is only one right answer. But some questions may
> have many correct answers.
>
Any answer I give is the CORRECt answer...even if I'm proven wrong.

> The aproach that should be chosen differs from manny variabels ,,,, Only
> you the TS knows why he / she choose a certain aproach
> so provide enough information and it should also be clear to the person
> who is answering .
>
>> But inevitably someone seems offended because I'm getting some discussion
>> time and posts something insinuating I'm an idiot. Thankfully I have
>> thick skin.
>
> Don`t bother about this ,,,, it is there problem not yours !
>
No, it is your problem, not mine.

>> But hey, maybe this isn't the best place for me to seek assistance. You
>> see I'm only here because my company paid good money for the programmers
>> here to have msdn subscriptions. Beyond those DVDs (which it seems I'm
>> the only programmer who actually opens the boxes) all I can see I get is
>> the ability to post in these forums.
>
> Well this should be the place for you to seek assistance , as we are all
> here to help and learn from each other, and indeed these forums are
> public
>
I did believe there was a little extra that MSDN subscription subscribers
get ... like a guarantee they will have their questions replied to by MS, if
they provide the correct information. I am not a subscriber, so I am unsure
(I'm broke, and my government agency doesn't see value in paying for a
subscription when I find most of the help I'm looking for [go figure, I post
a lot in these ng's]).

Most of my in-line comments above are placed for humor purposes only, except
the last one.

Mythran

Hi Kip,

You're right. From
https://msdn.microsoft.com/subscrip...bscription.aspx,

>>
The MSDN Managed Newsgroups benefit gives you unlimited access to English
language managed newsgroups as an MSDN subscriber. Get responses to your
technical questions within two business days. Your questions will be
answered by the community or Microsoft technical professionals. Follow the
instructions in the three steps below to get started.
1.. Create your posting alias
2.. Choose and configure your client
3.. Post your question
<<

The OP will need to associate his email address/passport with his MSDN
subscription in order to set up for "managed" newsgroups. Please note that
the "managed" newsgroups are these public newsgroups, but MSDN subscribers
are guaranteed a response as outlined above.

--
Cindy Winegarden MCSD, Microsoft Visual FoxPro MVP
cindy_winegarden@msn.com www.cindywinegarden.com


"Mythran" <kip_potter@hotmail.comREMOVETRAIL> wrote in message
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> I did believe there was a little extra that MSDN subscription subscribers
> get ... like a guarantee they will have their questions replied to by MS,
> if they provide the correct information.

"Cindy Winegarden" <cindy_winegarden@msn.com> wrote in message
news:uxuJSPDKGHA.2040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>
> The OP will need to associate his email address/passport with his MSDN
> subscription in order to set up for "managed" newsgroups. Please note that
> the "managed" newsgroups are these public newsgroups, but MSDN subscribers
> are guaranteed a response as outlined above.
>
> --
> Cindy Winegarden MCSD, Microsoft Visual FoxPro MVP
> cindy_winegarden@msn.com www.cindywinegarden.com

....and, hopefully, that response doesn't go like... "I'm looking for someone
to help you, please check back in several years" <g>

--
Ken Halter - MS-MVP-VB (visiting from VB6 world) - http://www.vbsight.com
Please keep all discussions in the groups..

Don't get discouraged. I think certain people (like myself) try to urge
doing things "a certain way" because certain practices though they may
work, can lead to problems down the road and in other situations. This only
comes with experience and I guess depends on what "type" of applications
you're creating. I would never pass any code review at the companies that I
have worked for using some of the practices I have seen in this ng.

P.S. see my solution to your problem in the other thread and tell me what
you think.

> Don't get discouraged. I think certain people (like myself) try to urge
> doing things "a certain way" because certain practices though they may
> work, can lead to problems down the road and in other situations. This
> only comes with experience and I guess depends on what "type" of
> applications you're creating. I would never pass any code review at the
> companies that I have worked for using some of the practices I have seen
> in this ng.
>
> P.S. see my solution to your problem in the other thread and tell me what
> you think.
>

:-)

I think that your post Cobol style sample solution would never pass any
reviewer.

I think that Armins last solution is in a way correct while he uses Sub
Main. I would have done it in another way because I use the mainform.

I am as well sure that Armin would himself never had done it exactly that
way however that he tried to become as much at the code from cj to make it
understandable.

Cor

Cobol style? OK... What does that mean?... I doubt you can even say. I may
not have understood the posters original problem, but the solution to the
problem as I saw it was definately correct. No, it wouldn't pass code
review... probably because Application.DoEvents.... CJ is using DoEvents to
do two things.... Refresh (paint the form) after Form.Show and receieve
events on Form.Close. Some of you MVP's should have pointed out better ways
to do this. But, hey if it works it works right?

CMM

> Cobol style? OK... What does that mean?... I doubt you can even say.

If it was Cobol style it had been something as perform loadRoutine until x =
0.

However I wrote before Cobol style

If cancelButton = x go to end

:-)

Cor