frappr for the freeware community ?

One of the last gadgets in the community 'business' is to map the
locations of community members. www.frappr.com is one which is nice and
simple.
Wouldn't it be nice to see where all the people of this active list live
? To see how the world is populated by freeware activists (or, at least,
sympathisers, and users) ?

A simple link from Susan's site would do the job. Linking to
http://www.frappr.com/ from the news group website would be the
strongest incitation to subscribe, I suppose.

Of course, I could start the map myself but to become my idea accepted
by the community there should be some Ayes from here.

And as Susan is the mentor of the while affair here creating the
opportunity for members to show that the community spans (some major
parts of) the world should be linked to from
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/

What do you think?

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FTR wrote:

> One of the last gadgets in the community 'business' is to map the
> locations of community members. www.frappr.com is one which is nice and
> simple.
> Wouldn't it be nice to see where all the people of this active list live
> ? To see how the world is populated by freeware activists (or, at least,
> sympathisers, and users) ?
>
> A simple link from Susan's site would do the job. Linking to
> http://www.frappr.com/ from the news group website would be the
> strongest incitation to subscribe, I suppose.
>
> Of course, I could start the map myself but to become my idea accepted
> by the community there should be some Ayes from here.
>
> And as Susan is the mentor of the while affair here creating the
> opportunity for members to show that the community spans (some major
> parts of) the world should be linked to from
> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/
>
> What do you think?

Haven't we done that?

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/acfWhere.php

DadiOH compiled the list. REMbranded created Xearth-ACF. . .

Maybe an update?

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Susan Bugher wrote:
> FTR wrote:
>
>> One of the last gadgets in the community 'business' is to map the
>> locations of community members. www.frappr.com is one which is nice
>> and simple.
>> Wouldn't it be nice to see where all the people of this active list
>> live ? To see how the world is populated by freeware activists (or, at
>> least, sympathisers, and users) ?
>>
>> A simple link from Susan's site would do the job. Linking to
>> http://www.frappr.com/ from the news group website would be the
>> strongest incitation to subscribe, I suppose.
>>
>> Of course, I could start the map myself but to become my idea accepted
>> by the community there should be some Ayes from here.
>>
>> And as Susan is the mentor of the while affair here creating the
>> opportunity for members to show that the community spans (some major
>> parts of) the world should be linked to from
>> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/
>>
>> What do you think?
>
>
> Haven't we done that?
>
> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/acfWhere.php
>
> DadiOH compiled the list. REMbranded created Xearth-ACF. . .
>
> Maybe an update?
>
> Susan

The idea is that everyone interested puts his or her name on the MAP. A
map speaks for itself, it shows the worldwide diffusion of the users of
pricelesswarehome in an appealing, visual manner. Xearth-ACF is a list
and doesn't create a map, or do I miss something ?
A good example: Clif Notes Freeware newsletter reader created thic card.

http://www.frappr.com/clifnotesnewsletter

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FTR wrote:
> Susan Bugher wrote:

>> Haven't we done that?
>>
>> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/acfWhere.php
>>
>> DadiOH compiled the list. REMbranded created Xearth-ACF. . .
>>
>> Maybe an update?

> The idea is that everyone interested puts his or her name on the MAP. A
> map speaks for itself, it shows the worldwide diffusion of the users of
> pricelesswarehome in an appealing, visual manner. Xearth-ACF is a list
> and doesn't create a map, or do I miss something ?

Yup. It's a program - shows the earth and where people are. Perhaps
REM can fill you in more on the particulars. I've got to bow out of this
discussion for now (must return to RL ASAP).

> A good example: Clif Notes Freeware newsletter reader created thic card.
>
> http://www.frappr.com/clifnotesnewsletter

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FTR <news.ftr@free.fr> wrote:
> One of the last gadgets in the community 'business' is to map the
> locations of community members. www.frappr.com is one which is nice and
> simple.

"Frappr" (from "friend mapper") is an example of "social software"
developed as a Web application "mashup"[1] using the proprietary Google
Maps application's public programming interface.

I'm personally much more curious about free software (aka open source)
implementations of the same general idea -- so that people can accomplish
the same goals without becoming dependent on some Web 2.0 company to go
your computing, hold your data, collect logfiles tracking your
interests, blitz you with advertising, etc. -- those being the way those
companies make money.[2]

Looks like this page has information on open-source geographical
information services in general: http://www.opensourcegis.org/
Included in those listings are MapServer and MapServer Enterprise, two
open-source _engines_ usable for developing Web-based map applications.

I'll be curious to see if someone comes out with, e.g., a clone of
Frappr in Ruby on Rails, preferably without the dependency on Google
Maps.

> Wouldn't it be nice to see where all the people of this active list live
> ? To see how the world is populated by freeware activists (or, at least,
> sympathisers, and users) ?

Wouldn't it be even nice if they were to do that using their own
resources, rather than Frappr's and Google's? ;->

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mashup_(web_application_hybrid)
[2] http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Essays/winolj.html

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Rick Moen wrote:
> FTR <news.ftr@free.fr> wrote:

>>Wouldn't it be nice to see where all the people of this active list live
>>? To see how the world is populated by freeware activists (or, at least,
>>sympathisers, and users) ?
>
> Wouldn't it be even nice if they were to do that using their own
> resources, rather than Frappr's and Google's? ;->

Yup. and it's already been done. . .

see:
http://www.woundedmoon.org/xearth/
download Xearth-ACF-v11.zip 196,451 bytes
http://woundedmoon.org/xearth/Xearth-ACF-v11.zip

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Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Rick Moen wrote:
>> FTR <news.ftr@free.fr> wrote:
>
>>>Wouldn't it be nice to see where all the people of this active list live
>>>? To see how the world is populated by freeware activists (or, at least,
>>>sympathisers, and users) ?
>>
>> Wouldn't it be even nice if they were to do that using their own
>> resources, rather than Frappr's and Google's? ;->
>
> Yup. and it's already been done. . .
>
> see:
> http://www.woundedmoon.org/xearth/
> download Xearth-ACF-v11.zip 196,451 bytes
> http://woundedmoon.org/xearth/Xearth-ACF-v11.zip

I'm very much familiar with, and very much a fan, of Kirk Johnson's
XEarth (though not for MS-Windows, but rather for X11 on
more-interesting operating systems).

However, it should be noted carefully that XEarth is _not_ at all a
functional replacement for Frappr -- which is a _Web_ application with
built-in multiuser account and group features.

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Rick Moen wrote:
> Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Rick Moen wrote:
>>>FTR <news.ftr@free.fr> wrote:

>>>>Wouldn't it be nice to see where all the people of this active list live
>>>>? To see how the world is populated by freeware activists (or, at least,
>>>>sympathisers, and users) ?
>>>
>>>Wouldn't it be even nice if they were to do that using their own
>>>resources, rather than Frappr's and Google's? ;->
>>
>>Yup. and it's already been done. . .
>>
>>see:
>>http://www.woundedmoon.org/xearth/
>>download Xearth-ACF-v11.zip 196,451 bytes
>>http://woundedmoon.org/xearth/Xearth-ACF-v11.zip
>
>
> I'm very much familiar with, and very much a fan, of Kirk Johnson's
> XEarth (though not for MS-Windows, but rather for X11 on
> more-interesting operating systems).
>
> However, it should be noted carefully that XEarth is _not_ at all a
> functional replacement for Frappr -- which is a _Web_ application with
> built-in multiuser account and group features.

I thought the goal was "to see where all the people of this active list
live" without using Frappr or Google's resources. Xearth-ACF does that.

Guess I missed the fine print about all those other requirements. . .

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Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I thought the goal was "to see where all the people of this active list
> live" without using Frappr or Google's resources. Xearth-ACF does that.

If _all_ you want is locally display where a bunch of people are (and run
MS-Windows), Xearth-ACF indeed does that -- though, rather poorly for an
entire newsgroup full of interested parties, I would think.

Also, in that case, I'd eschew the "ACF" part and run the real, regular
X11-based Xearth to get around that ugly legacy-OS dependency, thanks. ;->

However, I do think that crafting one's own functional substitutes for
popular Web 2.0 services like Frappr is a much more-interesting problem
with much broader application. If people have done work on that, I'd
be interested to hear about it. Having to rely on some fly-by-night
dot-com for Web services poses obvious disadvantages.

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I wrote:
> Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I thought the goal was "to see where all the people of this active list
>> live" without using Frappr or Google's resources. Xearth-ACF does that.
>
> If _all_ you want is locally display where a bunch of people are (and run
> MS-Windows), Xearth-ACF indeed does that -- though, rather poorly for an
> entire newsgroup full of interested parties, I would think.
>
> Also, in that case, I'd eschew the "ACF" part and run the real, regular
> X11-based Xearth to get around that ugly legacy-OS dependency, thanks. ;->
>
> However, I do think that crafting one's own functional substitutes for
> popular Web 2.0 services like Frappr is a much more-interesting problem
> with much broader application. If people have done work on that, I'd
> be interested to hear about it. Having to rely on some fly-by-night
> dot-com for Web services poses obvious disadvantages.

Also, at your convenience, please note the original poster's choice
of subject header, which is what drew me to this thread in the first
place (as I had been researching that very topic). Thanks.

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