Question about XXClone

Now that I'm using XP, XXCopy will apparently no longer fit the bill.
Others in this group have recommended that I instead use XXClone, so I
downloaded and installed it. My intent is to do a total clone initially,
then do incremental clones from that point on. An incremental clone only
modifies files that have been changed, copies new files that have been
added, deletes files on the backup drive that are no longer present on
the main drive. When I start the program. I notice that only the first
and last options aren't grayed out. Does this change after doing the
first clone so that I can do incremental clones?

Also, why do all the options say "Make the target volume bootable",
since presumeably this would only need to be done once?

TIA

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John Corliss wrote:
> Now that I'm using XP, XXCopy will apparently no longer fit the bill.
> Others in this group have recommended that I instead use XXClone, so I
> downloaded and installed it. My intent is to do a total clone initially,
> then do incremental clones from that point on. An incremental clone only
> modifies files that have been changed, copies new files that have been
> added, deletes files on the backup drive that are no longer present on
> the main drive. When I start the program. I notice that only the first
> and last options aren't grayed out. Does this change after doing the
> first clone so that I can do incremental clones?
>
> Also, why do all the options say "Make the target volume bootable",
> since presumeably this would only need to be done once?
>
> TIA
>
John....

I was one of the beta testers on this program and use it without fail
for my simple needs. I have a second HDD in my PCs and use this program
for my backup needs.
Remember, cloning XP is quite different than cloning 98.

I would suggest your signing up to the xxclone forum in the Google
groups. There you can ask away and see that others have many of the same
questions.

http://groups.google.com/group/Xxclone

It is vital that you read the documentation that accompanies xxclone.

burris

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 04:50:46 -0800, John Corliss wrote:

[...]
> When I start the program. I notice that only the first
> and last options aren't grayed out. Does this change after doing the
> first clone so that I can do incremental clones?
[...]

Incremental backup is only available in the paid version.

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Exiddor.

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:06:46 GMT, Exiddor <exiddor@f-m.fm> wrote:

>On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 04:50:46 -0800, John Corliss wrote:
>
>[...]
>> When I start the program. I notice that only the first
>> and last options aren't grayed out. Does this change after doing the
>> first clone so that I can do incremental clones?
>[...]
>
>Incremental backup is only available in the paid version.

BTW, Beta version 0.5 is available here:

http://www.xxclone.com/betatest/

Art

http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

> Exiddor <exiddor@f-m.fm> wrote:

>Incremental backup is only available in the paid version.

The freeware version seems good enough. I've never used it, but
incremental backups seem dangerous to me as far as the file system
goes. If some nasty gets in undetected it will be copied to the
backup.

Now if you can select specific data files to backup I'd feel better
about it I guess.

You might check out the UBCD4Win project John. It rocks!

http://www.ubcd4win.com/

This is a very nice package of freeware utilities in a bootable XP CD.

I'm using the CD and DrvImagerXP to backup\restore now.

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 09:58:28 -0600, REM <REMbranded@inu.net> wrote:

>>Incremental backup is only available in the paid version.
>
>The freeware version seems good enough. I've never used it, but
>incremental backups seem dangerous to me as far as the file system
>goes. If some nasty gets in undetected it will be copied to the
>backup.

Exactly. I find it best to keep a pristine bootable cloned drive on
the shelf until I need it for disaster recovery. Incremental backup
requires extensive testing and scanning to insure that no malware
and spyware and other problems are being backed up. A separate
backup drive (and XXCOPY) can be used for routine data backup.

Art

http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

Art, 12/20/2005, 11:13:05 AM,
<5uagq1p7pg92uonn5c3rgfn43c2180knnv@4ax.com> wrote:

> A separate
> backup drive (and XXCOPY) can be used for routine data backup.

If you want data backup why not use something like Karen's Replicator?
If you want entire drive systems backed up you need something more
robust.

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Will Rogers

On 20 Dec 2005 17:03:41 GMT, "badgolferman"
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

>Art, 12/20/2005, 11:13:05 AM,
><5uagq1p7pg92uonn5c3rgfn43c2180knnv@4ax.com> wrote:
>
>> A separate
>> backup drive (and XXCOPY) can be used for routine data backup.
>
>If you want data backup why not use something like Karen's Replicator?

Because I like the command line-with-batch-file arrangement I use with
XXCOPY.

>If you want entire drive systems backed up you need something more
>robust.

XXCOPY for the Win 9x/ME series and XXCLONE for the NT based OS are
plenty robust for me. They work very well.

Art

http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

"John Corliss" <jcorliss@fake.invalid> wrote in message
news:11qfvh9dqjk782d@corp.supernews.com...
> Now that I'm using XP, XXCopy will apparently no longer fit the bill.
> Others in this group have recommended that I instead use XXClone, so I
> downloaded and installed it. My intent is to do a total clone initially,
> then do incremental clones from that point on. An incremental clone only
> modifies files that have been changed, copies new files that have been
> added, deletes files on the backup drive that are no longer present on the
> main drive. When I start the program. I notice that only the first and
> last options aren't grayed out. Does this change after doing the first
> clone so that I can do incremental clones?
>
> Also, why do all the options say "Make the target volume bootable", since
> presumeably this would only need to be done once?
>
> TIA
>
> --
> Regards from John Corliss
> I don't reply to trolls and other such idiots. No adware, cdware,
> commercial software, crippleware, demoware, nagware, PROmotionware,
> shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware, viruses or warez
> please.

John,

You can go to the link below and you will find version 0.44 "Test Drive"
which gives you full functionality for 30 days after which it reverts to the
freeware version functionality.

For the Test Drive link:

http://xxclone.com/idwnload.htm

I did that and on my machine it ran flawlessly. Since then, I purchased the
permanent version which is up to .05 now.

Everybody's needs are different. I am strictly a home user. I installed a
second or slave hard drive....120 gig. My master is an 80 gig with about a
total of 40 gig of use. I partitioned my slave drive with two partitions,
60 gig each. On the first partition of the slave, I cloned my master drive.
On the second partition of the slave, I then copy over all my data folders
and files (about 2 gig) of interest more often. Less frequently, I do an
incremental update. With xxclone, the target drive does not have to be as
big as the source drive as long as it has enough plus some extra to hold all
the files. My reason for doing this is that when (not if) my hard drive
fails, I will have some sort of usable and bootable backup for me to rely
on.

As a recent poster mentioned, the Google XXClone forum is excellent.

--
Dave C.

Art wrote:
> REM wrote:
>
>>> Incremental backup is only available in the paid version.
>>
>> The freeware version seems good enough. I've never used it, but
>> incremental backups seem dangerous to me as far as the file system
>> goes. If some nasty gets in undetected it will be copied to the
>> backup.
>
> Exactly. I find it best to keep a pristine bootable cloned drive on
> the shelf until I need it for disaster recovery. Incremental backup
> requires extensive testing and scanning to insure that no malware
> and spyware and other problems are being backed up. A separate
> backup drive (and XXCOPY) can be used for routine data backup.

Art, I'm sure we all do this differently. However, I prefer to use an
incrementally cloned hard drive further backed up by occasionally
copying data and other files to CD and DVD.

Simply put, if incremental backup isn't available in XXClone, then I
will uninstall it and hopefully be able to move on to something else.

When I was using XXCopy in ME, I had a shortcut on the desktop that I
occasionally double clicked to initiate an incremental backup. It was
simplicity itself! That I can no longer do this is frankly, damned near
enough to make me want to go back to ME. And I could easily go back to
ME precicely because I *do* have an incrementally cloned and bootable
hard drive that is an exact snapshot of my computer's state just before
I did the update.

See, my question was not about the best way to back up my computer, but
was simply "is incremental cloning available in XXClone."

Don't take offense, but a simple yes-or-no answer would have sufficed.

--
Regards from John Corliss
I don't reply to trolls and other such idiots. No adware, cdware,
commercial software, crippleware, demoware, nagware, PROmotionware,
shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware, viruses or warez
please.